Did the US Carry Out A Ukrainian Coup in 2014?

[sparky]

Yes Mr Z is our install

debate THAT point to the OP plz

thx

~S~

 

[surada]

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[sparky]

another partisan putz hopeless thread.........~S~

 

[AMart]

The late Robert Parry argues a duly elected leader (Victor Yanukovych) was overthrown in 2014 by a minority of Ukrainians even after he agreed to move up elections so people could vote him out of office if a majority wished to do so.

Parry also alleges the US sponsored this illegal coup much as it did in Iran, Guatemala,, Chile, and numerous other countries since the end of WWII:

Did the U.S. Carry Out a Ukrainian Coup?

"NOOR: And so talk about what the West’s role has been in this, especially the United States and Germany, which is another player in this whole affair that hasn’t gotten as much attention.

"PARRY: Well, the United States has been trying to pry Ukraine away from a close relationship with Russia.

"Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said in December to a group of business leaders that the United States had invested $5 billion, she said, in helping Ukraine achieve its European aspirations, that is, moving it away from Russia into the E.U.

"So, obviously, the United States has played a role in trying to achieve this antidemocratic transition.

"As much as they may call it democratic, overthrowing an elected leader is on its face not democratic."

The question isn't whether a minority of Ukrainians objected to Yanukovych's decision to accept the Russian loan instead of the IMF's; the question is did the US use a small, far-right faction of that minority to impose a pair of US puppets in Kiev in order to advance regime change in Moscow?

It was more like a CIA inspired mini revolution.

Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA front laid foundations for Ukraine war | MR Online

Obvious examples of Central Intelligence Agency covert action abroad are difficult to identify today, save for occasional acknowledged calamities, such as the long-running $1 billion effort to overthrow the government of Syria, via funding, training and arming barbarous jihadist groups.

mronline.org

 

[progressive hunter]

Glenn Greenwald has a similar opinion:

if I recall correctly we had people from the state dept and NGO's on the ground spreading propaganda and misinformation to sway the electing and the direction of Ukraines future,,

of course soros was involved,,

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Fascism and Nazism are right wing authoritarian movements. Hitlers and his Nazis outlawed socialism, executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they began mass-murdering Jews (who were all labelled as socialists)

NazismSocialism

"In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively.

"The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for 'illegal socialist activity' in 1936."

Gee, I wonder why they all referred to themselves as socialists then?
Come back to me when you figure out how the collectivist national socialists differ from todays collectivist democrat socialists.
Thanks for proving how ignorant progbots are of the actual facts again

 

[georgephillip]

ivan, who cares whats your RT says ?By far one of the most active and influential Kremlin trolls on this page, right after Maskals with attitude.

Over 10 thousand Ukrainians demand that Zelensky dissolves corruption-tainted Kyiv court

 

[georgephillip]

Did the US Carry Out A Ukrainian Coup in 2014?​

Yes. That is why Dontsk, Crimea and Luhansk oblasts held referendums to secede from Ukraine in the first place. And Crimean people also voted to join the Russian Federation.

Those oblasts in eastern Ukraine overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovitch. Then a foreign power from half a world away got their democratically elected president and prime minister ousted and replaced with puppets.

And the Ukrainians ALL know it because the Nuland/Pyatt phone call that proves it was leaked by a whistleblower.

It's right fucking here on YouTube fer crissakes!



Kinda hard to deny the truth when it's right there on audio tape.

Victoria Nuland's one of Dick Cheney's Iraq War handmaidens; she's married to another neocon who's never met a war he didn't support or fight in. It's long past time for a "Death Tax" that would redistribute war profits to its victims.

 

[sparky]

It was more like a CIA inspired mini revolution.

which wouldn't be the first time
~S~

 

[skye]

Did the US Carry Out A Ukrainian Coup in 2014?​

Yes it did!

This coup is Barack Ovomit's baby!

Along with big help from the witch Victoria Nuland.

Newly released tape appears to show Obama State Dept. plotting Ukraine coup using Biden’s help

The following contains some content which is editorial in nature and is the opinion of the writer....

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[georgephillip]

More whacko conspiracy theories for which there is no evidence.

Reality.
Something you're totally ignorant of:

Did the U.S. Carry Out a Ukrainian Coup?

"And the issue at play, really, was not one like possibly a structural issue.

"It wasn’t as if Yanukovych had said, we’re not going to have future elections and I’m just going to be president for life.

"The issue was whether or not he should accept an E.U. economic package that involved major concessions to the IMF, i.e. more austerity for Ukraine, or whether he would accept a more generous package of a $15 billion from Russia, which is already supporting Ukraine through discounted natural gas.

"So it was really a policy issue, not an issue of whether democracy would go forward.

"Yet it became this issue where a group, a minority group in the streets, decided to get rid of their president.

"And that can be cheered on by some people, I suppose, but it’s not exactly an act of democracy for a minority to overthrow a democratically elected president."

 

[toomuchtime_]

Reality.
Something you're totally ignorant of:

Did the U.S. Carry Out a Ukrainian Coup?

"And the issue at play, really, was not one like possibly a structural issue.

"It wasn’t as if Yanukovych had said, we’re not going to have future elections and I’m just going to be president for life.

"The issue was whether or not he should accept an E.U. economic package that involved major concessions to the IMF, i.e. more austerity for Ukraine, or whether he would accept a more generous package of a $15 billion from Russia, which is already supporting Ukraine through discounted natural gas.

"So it was really a policy issue, not an issue of whether democracy would go forward.

"Yet it became this issue where a group, a minority group in the streets, decided to get rid of their president.

"And that can be cheered on by some people, I suppose, but it’s not exactly an act of democracy for a minority to overthrow a democratically elected president."

Again you demonstrate that you are just another whacko conspiracy theorist: there was no coup.

 

[georgephillip]

Yanukovich was highly unpopular among Western-oriented population. Besides, the Euromaidan wouldn't accept Yanukovich keeping power for any amount of time.

The Euromaidan did not represent a majority of Ukrainians; Yanukovych did, and his successors have been even more unpopular than he was:

Ukrainians Disillusioned With Leadership

"WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Despite signs last year that Ukraine's then-new president was starting to rebuild Ukrainians' trust in their leadership,

" President Petro Poroshenko is now less popular than his predecessor Viktor Yanukovych was before he was ousted.

"After more than a year in office, 17% of Ukrainians approve of the job that Poroshenko is doing. This approval rating is down sharply from 47% a few months after his election in May 2014."

 

[progressive hunter]

Victoria Nuland's one of Dick Cheney's Iraq War handmaidens; she's married to another neocon who's never met a war he didn't support or fight in. It's long past time for a "Death Tax" that would redistribute war profits to its victims.

no reason for a death tax for a few people,, better to just kill them and move on with your day,,

 

[georgephillip]

Shokin refused to prosecute corruption.

By some accounts he was prosecuting Burisma and Hunter Biden's involvement:

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD067.pdf

"The prosecutor he (Biden) got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

"U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia."

 

[georgephillip]

It was more like a CIA inspired mini revolution.

Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA front laid foundations for Ukraine war | MR Online

Obvious examples of Central Intelligence Agency covert action abroad are difficult to identify today, save for occasional acknowledged calamities, such as the long-running $1 billion effort to overthrow the government of Syria, via funding, training and arming barbarous jihadist groups.

mronline.org

Your link:

"It Begins​

"Fast forward to September 2013, and Carl Gershman, NED chief from its launch until summer 2021, authored an op-ed for The Washington Post, outlining how his organization was hard at work wresting countries in Russia’s near abroad–the constellation of former Soviet republics and Warsaw Pact states–away from Moscow’s orbit.

"Along the way, he described Ukraine as 'the biggest prize' in the region, suggesting Kiev joining Europe would 'accelerate the demise' of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Six months later, Ukraine’s elected president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in a violent coup."

Eliminating Putin gives western investors another shot at looting Russia the same way they did in the 1990s when Russian life expectancy declined by four or five years, the poverty rate increased from single digits to 40%, hyperinflation hit 2500%, and Time Magazine celebrated the Greed.

Except it's more likely Putin will be replaced by another Stalin instead of the next Yeltsin.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The late Robert Parry argues a duly elected leader (Victor Yanukovych) was overthrown in 2014 by a minority of Ukrainians even after he agreed to move up elections so people could vote him out of office if a majority wished to do so.

Parry also alleges the US sponsored this illegal coup much as it did in Iran, Guatemala,, Chile, and numerous other countries since the end of WWII:

Did the U.S. Carry Out a Ukrainian Coup?

"NOOR: And so talk about what the West’s role has been in this, especially the United States and Germany, which is another player in this whole affair that hasn’t gotten as much attention.

"PARRY: Well, the United States has been trying to pry Ukraine away from a close relationship with Russia.

"Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said in December to a group of business leaders that the United States had invested $5 billion, she said, in helping Ukraine achieve its European aspirations, that is, moving it away from Russia into the E.U.

"So, obviously, the United States has played a role in trying to achieve this antidemocratic transition.

"As much as they may call it democratic, overthrowing an elected leader is on its face not democratic."

The question isn't whether a minority of Ukrainians objected to Yanukovych's decision to accept the Russian loan instead of the IMF's; the question is did the US use a small, far-right faction of that minority to impose a pair of US puppets in Kiev in order to advance regime change in Moscow?

Yep,yep and yep.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Your link:

"It Begins​

"Fast forward to September 2013, and Carl Gershman, NED chief from its launch until summer 2021, authored an op-ed for The Washington Post, outlining how his organization was hard at work wresting countries in Russia’s near abroad–the constellation of former Soviet republics and Warsaw Pact states–away from Moscow’s orbit.

"Along the way, he described Ukraine as 'the biggest prize' in the region, suggesting Kiev joining Europe would 'accelerate the demise' of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Six months later, Ukraine’s elected president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in a violent coup."

Eliminating Putin gives western investors another shot at looting Russia the same way they did in the 1990s when Russian life expectancy declined by four or five years, the poverty rate increased from single digits to 40%, hyperinflation hit 2500%, and Time Magazine celebrated the Greed.

Except it's more likely Putin will be replaced by another Stalin instead of the next Yeltsin.

The establishment for sure is doing eveything they can to try and take out putin and install another stalin thsts for sure,they have not been successful though as they were with kennedy.what the msm is not reporting is they are trying to take him out because Russia is off the dollar,thst was why they killed gaddafi and demonized him as a dictater which was further than the truth sane with putin.

 

[surada]

The establishment for sure is doing eveything they can to try and take out putin and install another stalin thsts for sure,they have not been successful though as they were with kennedy.what the msm is not reporting is they are trying to take him out because Russia is off the dollar,thst was why they killed gaddafi and demonized him as a dictater which was further than the truth sane with putin.

The US didn't kill Gaddafi. Gaddafi never went off the dollar. They had a central bank since 1953 and a Gold dinar for 100 years.

 

[Muhammed]

Shokin refused to prosecute corruption.

And of course you're simply lying to the USMB forum again, as usual. The fact of the matter is that Shokin raided Mykola Zlochevsky's mansion in Kiev.

Zlochevsky was a corrupt natural gas oligarch who was illegally paying Hunter Biden millions of dollars. He was also illegally paying John Kerry's bundler Devon Archer a million dollars/year too.

Quid Pro Pedo Joe Biden claims he never ever spoke with Hunter Biden about his business dealings. Yet here Joe is golfing in the Hamptons with Hunter and two of his corrupt business partners, Devon Archer and Bevan Cooney, both of whom are currently residing in prison.

Zlochevsky was Ukraine's Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources who secretly owned Burisma Holdings. He was doling out drilling permits to himself. That kind of self dealing is highly illegal in Ukraine.

The Obama/Biden administration got Shokin fired by threatening to cut-off the third tranche of a $3 billion U.S. treasury loan guarantee that was tied to a $30 billion IMF and EU loans earmarked to finish natural gas infrastructure projects in Ukraine.

And Biden demanded that Prosecutor General Shokin be replaced by Yuriy Lutsenko. Who is Lutsenko? Another corrupt politician. The former Minister of the Interior of Ukraine who had recently got out of prison early via Burisma bribery. He doesn't even have a law degree or any experience as a lawyer. In order to get the corrupt Lutsenko into the PGO, Ukraine actually had to repeal the law that required the country's top prosecutor to at least have a law degree and some professional legal experience.

Lutsenko is currently on the lam and has left Ukraine to avoid prosecution. He doesn't want to go back to that 18th century prison again.