Did the Tucker Video Gambit Work?

[ThisIsMe]

He WAS part of the riot mob. He was among the first through that smashed in door

And YOU claimed they portrayed him as a "leader". They did not and THAT was "what you explained" dishonestly

It was sarcasm, lol.

And yes, he was WITH the people, but are there videos of him smashing windows, or doors, or being violent? It appears he just kinda followed people in through windows that someone else smashed.

From what we’ve seen so far, unless there’s footage of him attacking people or engaging in destruction, what we’ve seen doesn’t warrant a 4 year jail sentence…

 

[Lesh]

It was sarcasm, lol.

And yes, he was WITH the people, but are there videos of him smashing windows, or doors, or being violent? It appears he just kinda followed people in through windows that someone else smashed.

From what we’ve seen so far, unless there’s footage of him attacking people or engaging in destruction, what we’ve seen doesn’t warrant a 4 year jail sentence…

Hmmm...so if you enter a bank with bank robbers and just "hang around" with them...are you guilty of bank robbery?

Yes you are

 

[Lesh]

From what we’ve seen so far, unless there’s footage of him attacking people or engaging in destruction, what we’ve seen doesn’t warrant a 4 year jail sentence…

Thanks for yout opinion. The Court felt otherwise. They felt that Obstruction of a government proceeding was a serious charge

 

[MisterBeale]

The “whole story” would have to include hours of violent attacks on cops and the Capitol.

Did Tucker show ANY of that?

I was asking about Independents in the OP.

I'm an independent, and Tucker's lie, was just as disingenuous as the establishment J6 hearing lie.

All of them are corrupt sons of bitches.

The establishment wants folks to turn against Trump supporters, and Tucker wants folks to run into the waiting arms of Trump.

. . . all of them are poison to the republic.

 

[Lesh]

I'm an independent, and Tucker's lie, was just as disingenuous as the establishment J6 hearing lie.

All of them are corrupt sons of bitches.

The establishment wants folks to turn against Trump supporters, and Tucker wants folks to run into the waiting arms of Trump.

. . . all of them are poison to the republic.

So Tucker failed bigly

 

[gipper]

He WAS part of the riot mob. He was among the first through that smashed in door

And YOU claimed they portrayed him as a "leader". They did not and THAT was "what you explained" dishonestly

Yet the cops treated him so well, escorting him throughout the building.

 

[Frankenstein]

No response to this. Why?
I was asking about Independents. You are clearly not that

WE'VE SEEN ANTIFA IN ACTION

 

[Lesh]

WE'VE SEEN ANTIFA IN ACTION

Ok. And what’s your screaming point?

Antifa had zero to do with Jan 6

 

[Frankenstein]

Ok. And what’s your screaming point?

Antifa had zero to do with Jan 6

BS

 

[MisterBeale]

So Tucker failed bigly

Perhaps. . . but he didn't spend millions of taxpayer money on the issue, hold hearings, and hiring a TEE VEE producer to make the whole presentation and narrative of the Jan 6th riot, into something it was not.

Clearly? The Democratic Party and the establishment in Washington, failed even bigger.

 

[Lesh]

Perhaps. . . but he didn't spend millions of taxpayer money on the issue, hold hearings, and hiring a TEE VEE producer to make the whole presentation and narrative of the Jan 6th riot, into something it was not.

Clearly? The Democratic Party and the establishment in Washington, failed even bigger.

Funny, you claim to be independent but sound anything but…

Just an observation

 

[MisterBeale]

Funny, you claim to be independent but sound anything but…

Just an observation

So when I say both sides failed, all you hear is me attacking yoar side, and thus, you bleev I am not independent. . . .

 

[Batcat]

I disagree with Batcat’s whole analysis, but there is truth in the parts of his comment I excerpt above. His link to the Bloomberg article is interesting — it of course completely contradicts the claims in his other links.

Trump did lose the election, and as expected refused to accept this loss — though even Tucker Carlson and Trump’s own election experts knew he clearly lost and that there was no basis for all his dishonest self-serving “Big Lie” claims. Nothing was “found” except normal media skullduggery on both sides.

Trump did (both before the election and afterwards) prepare and conspire to stay in power using all the (in his case still insufficient) advantages of being an incumbent. He did try (and fail) to force the final decision into the House of Representatives — where Republicans still had a lame duck majority and would likely have let him remain as President, although he lost by over 7 million popular votes and by an even more decisive electoral count. All that was required was for Pence and enough other Republicans to go along with his feverish plans.

It is certainly true that by 2020 a majority of the country — and yes especially its responsible “elites” — were fed up with Trump’s megalomaniacal narcissism, incompetence in actually governing, and lack of interest in maintaining crucial international alliances. Many did indeed fear he was leading his supporters to “split the nation.” Trump’s later blabbing about “terminating” our laws and Constitution only solidified that sentiment among his enemies.

Trump was, after all, legitimately elected in 2016, and many had hoped being President would bring out more responsible aspects of the man’s character. History showed he was an irresponsible child — a “demonic force” in the words of Tucker Carlson — whose arrogance and childish petulance made it impossible for even most conservative elites who supported his Supreme Court picks and economic program to work with him.

Trump has “split the nation” — or at least a good part of it … with his continuing demagogery around a stolen election. This is now his biggest crime in the eyes of many, both Democrats and Independents, and also many traditional Republicans.

It doesn’t really matter if the 2020 election was rigged or not as there is no way Congress or the Supreme Court would overturn a Presidential election or would declare such an election null and void and hold a repeat election. Trump should have realized that. The election between Bush the Younger vs Al Gore should or the election between JFK and Tricky Dick Nixon should have taught him that Lesson.

The problem we have today is Joe Biden. Of course liberals will blame bank failures and all other problems on Trump as to many liberals Trump is responsible for everything that has went wrong in the world before he was President, while President and after he lost.

Quite possibly the only potential Presidential candidate who can straighten out the mess Joe Biden has created is Trump. Of course liberals will disagree but many of them are saying the Joe Biden is doing a good job.

I doubt Biden will be allowed to run if he continues at his rate of incompetence. The supposedly smart Democrats will likely pick either Hillary or Bernie Sanders and in either case if they are elected this nation is screwed. We would be stuck with Crooked or Commie for four years. Plus the Democrat will get elected as even if the 2020 election wasn’t rigged, the 2024 election will be.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Hmmm...so if you enter a bank with bank robbers and just "hang around" with them...are you guilty of bank robbery?

Yes you are

We’ll, this wasn’t a robbery, there were many people there that day, some to protest, some to riot, some just got caught up in all that was happening.

Doesn’t mean he was there to riot, we don’t see him rioting, no evidence he broke anything or assaulted anyone. He was just in the crowd that day and walked into a public building.

Now, to your robber analogy. If he planned with the robbers, and showed up with the robbers with the intention of robbing the bank, or assist the robbers in robbing the bank, then, yes, he would be culpable, but that is an entirely different scenario.

Let’s say the bank was holding a bake sale, and they ran out of macaroons waaay too early, and people got unruly, and started to riot, and during the riot they broke into the bank and ransacked the place, but Viking guy, who just showed up for the double fudge brownies saw what was happening and said “hmm, I’ll take a look around”, and walked in behind the people angry about not getting their macaroons, then nah, I’d say he wouldn’t be culpable.

At worst, I’d say that Viking guy could be charged with trespassing…but since it’s public property (the capitol) I’m not sure if that’s a valid charge.

 

[Lesh]

Against… “Viking guy” was at the front of the pack of insurrectionists and was one of the first ones through that breached door.

He was NOT a tourist

 

[ThisIsMe]

Thanks for yout opinion. The Court felt otherwise. They felt that Obstruction of a government proceeding was a serious charge

We’ll, that sentence was doled out before this footage was released. He wasn’t rioting, he wasn’t obstructing anyone, he was just walking around.

But you see, the J6 committee didn’t want people to know that, they just saw Viking guy and since he was there, they just mashed him together with everyone else. Likely they even saw the tape that tucker showed, but they didn’t release it so the truth could be shown.

I’d hope a lawyer is helping to get those charges overturned, and getting ready to file a lawsuit against those members of congress for withholding evidence that could have exonerated him.

 

[Lesh]

We’ll, that sentence was doled out before this footage was released. He wasn’t rioting, he wasn’t obstructing anyone, he was just walking around.

But you see, the J6 committee didn’t want people to know that, they just saw Viking guy and since he was there, they just mashed him together with everyone else. Likely they even saw the tape that tucker showed, but they didn’t release it so the truth could be shown.

I’d hope a lawyer is helping to get those charges overturned, and getting ready to file a lawsuit against those members of congress for withholding evidence that could have exonerated him.

Look at my quote that you posted. No mention of rioting

 

[skews13]

Tucker managed to rile up "the base" with his cherry picked release of minutes of the Jan 6 Capitol attack but even GOP legislators condemned it as dishonest

Tucker Carlson’s January 6 lies throw Republicans into disarray​

Senate Republicans are condemning Carlson’s downplaying of the insurrection. House leaders, not so much.

www.vox.com

So aside from giving "the Following" something to yak about for a while...did it accomplish anything?

Do Independents now think that Jan 6 was just a "tour of the Capitol?

Tucker managed to rile up "the base" with his cherry picked release of minutes of the Jan 6 Capitol attack but even GOP legislators condemned it as dishonest

Tucker Carlson’s January 6 lies throw Republicans into disarray​

Senate Republicans are condemning Carlson’s downplaying of the insurrection. House leaders, not so much.

www.vox.com

So aside from giving "the Following" something to yak about for a while...did it accomplish anything?

Do Independents now think that Jan 6 was just a "tour of the Capitol?

Depends.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Against… “Viking guy” was at the front of the pack of insurrectionists and was one of the first ones through that breached door.

He was NOT a tourist

We’ll, he was like the 8th or 9th through the door…I didn’t count, but it’s irrelevant. Just because he was there, doesn’t mean he was rioting. I’ll agree, he probably should have just stayed out of it altogether, but, you can’t convict a man for just being in the area…other than maybe tresspassing…actually, I’m curious how the court even arrived at a 4 year conviction, because they apparently never saw him doing anything violent, he was just there wearing a Viking outfit…probably enough to make him recognizable to everyone and since he stood out, they pegged him with…whatever it was.

Even though he pleaded guilty, that’s not even enough to convict you because they have to still prove you committed the crime. Without evidence that he was actually engaged in anything, it’s not enough to put him in jail.

Again, at best, all they “know” is being inside the capitol building, often being escorted by the police, who, at any time, could have placed him under arrest. Apparently they didn’t think he was enough of a threat to do so.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Look at my quote that you posted. No mention of rioting

Ok, how did he obstruct a government proceeding? Just being in the room? Maybe…but it doesn’t appear he was a threat to anyone. Again, judging by what we’ve seen, he appears to be just looking around, and yes, I agree he shouldn’t have been there, but enough for a conviction? I’m not sure I buy that.