Did one of the left wing judges leak Roe versus Wade? Was the leak made to affect the midterms?

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

I think you have a very unrealistic view of Christianity, as least how it has been practiced over the centuries.

• Traditionally, abortion was common in the West and not really a major Christian issue. Midwives delivered babies and no one really knew if a baby was stillborn or killed. In Medieval Germany it was legal to leave a new born out doors to die of exposure.
• Abuse of alcohol was and remains common in Christian societies.

I understand the conversation goes both ways. I’ve heard Christians who say that abortion is approved by the Bible but Christian who say abortion is not approved by the Bible. People also point to history as to support abortion or oppose abortion just as you have.

it’s like with the Civil War. During the American Civil War some American Christians said the Bible supports slavery others said the Bible does not support slavery hard

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

The ruling came out long before the mid-terms so the effect would have been the same. The leak would only have helped if the ruling was not going to be out prior to the election

that is good information thank you.

Still The leak was bad. It was clearly done for a tactical purpose with nefarious reasons in mind. And that’s why whoever leaked it has to go to jail. This situation cannot just slip away.

The leak threw a wrench into things one could say…. it disrupted the election cycle and it led to some protests with property getting damaged.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Still The leak was bad. It was clearly done for a tactical purpose with nefarious reasons in mind. And that’s why whoever leaked it has to go to jail. This situation cannot just slip away.

There is nothing to go to jail over, there is no law against leaking that information.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Either Thomas or his wife.

My money is on Alito. He was palling around with people and leaked a decision prior.

 

[Lesh]

it’s like with the Civil War. During the American Civil War some American Christians said the Bible supports slavery others said the Bible does not support slavery hard

That's actually a good point. Disingenuous people use the Bible to support their agenda often.

Cynical bastards

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

I think abortion is a terrible, traumatic event to be avoided at all costs. But like most Americans I weigh it against the other involved party, the mother and prefer her to make the decision rather than leave it to the State (at least in the vast majority of cases).

Abortion is a terrible event. I have heard pro-abortion people say that as well.

What interesting in this discussion is it’s not just the pregnant woman Who makes the decision but also the doctor. Because the doctor is needed to use their tools to abort the baby.

Like with anything in life the abortion topic is a societal decision ..for society to decide. It’s right up there with the Chinese government one child policy. We should ask ourselves should the government have the ability to regulate these things?

And I believe in having a strong government. Like having national healthcare, having a strong minimum wage which I also believe to be in line with liberal values. But we should also outlaw abortion if we believe in liberalism and multiculturalism.

When you look at the numbers way too many black babies are aborted …. this is unacceptable …. and that’s why if anything to my fellow liberals to my fellow Democrats in this thread hey folks take a look at this side of the argument.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

The problem is, in my view, when you bring religion into it at all. We have a stronger case when we stick to the Constitution and states’ rights.

When you bring religion into it, you run headfirst into the instruction that there should be no laws respecting any specific religion at all. This is not a Christian nation, albeit a nation with majority Christian. This is what our founders were trying to avoid after their experience with the Church of England.

There are a few people in America Who are too aggressive when it comes to talking about religion some are openly bigoted… in fact one in Las Vegas I spoke with who told me “this is a Christian nation and we shouldn’t be having Hindu, Muslim etc immigrants”. I straight up disagreed with that man right to his face. I told him I’m a Catholic and I disagree with you. ….but I also have to say I have traveled across the United States…. I’ve been to many places and encountering someone like that is rare.

I would say it could be done both ways. I was watching the March for life event last Friday and people were often pointing to Jesus as to why they oppose abortion but one of the speakers was also saying we can point to non-Christian methods as to why we oppose abortion. But the bottom line is I don’t know of any strong or notable Christian movement in America that wants to bring us a theocracy. I think that’s something the far left invents. Not enough people in America have an appetite to make us a theocracy.

What we have had for hundreds of years in United States is something very interesting and maybe unique. We are not a theocracy but we have massive Christian influence in our country. There is churches everywhere you go. We seemingly see Christian crosses all the time on athletes and major sporting events. Tim Tebow is not alone.

Like for example I am a Catholic and the reason why I oppose abortion is because of my Catholic beliefs. And if there is some atheist in this country who is offended by that that’s on them. No matter what there are going to always be people in this country who when they hear a Christian speak they’re always going to think in their heads oh it’s “another Christian supremacist” …. and that is wrong.

The issue only arises when for example you have a politician who says you know what I’m only going to have Christians who work for me. That is obviously bigotry but I don’t know of such religious bigotry existing on the main political stage in this country.

So because the United States is still Christian majority. Because a plurality of the people of the world are Christians. I still think it is a great thing to cite Christianity, to cite Jesus to cite the Bible when it comes to making political arguments. There’s nothing wrong with it it’s a great thing so long as it is done in a positive and tolerate manner.

 

[BlindBoo]

My money is on the one who has a history of leaking those decisions by the once highly respected Court.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

My money is on the one who has a history of leaking those decisions by the once highly respected Court.

Who is that ?

you have one of the best avatars on this site by the way

 

[BlindBoo]

Who is that ?

you have one of the best avatars on this site by the way

She had a nose that could sniff out the truth (as to where I threw her nasty pull toy) everytime. Unless we washed it! Was that cruel?

"The New York Times recently published shocking allegations that Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito leaked a decision weeks before a ruling was announced publicly in the 2014 case Burwell v. Hobby Lobby on contraception and religious liberty. The exposé also detailed a coordinated effort by abortion opponents to leverage wealthy donors to influence justices and “stiffen the resolve of the court’s conservatives in taking uncompromising stances that could eventually lead to a reversal of Roe.” These allegations, if true, would be a damning indictment on an institution that portrays itself as being beyond politics or influence—even as it shrouds itself in secrecy and exempts its justices from the same ethics restrictions that apply to other judges or government officials.

The U.S. Supreme Court ultimately must rely on the other branches of government and Americans writ large to respect its authority as the nation’s neutral and final arbiter of legal disputes, so it is crucial to get a full accounting, under oath, of what really occurred. Justice Alito and a donor said to have received the leak have both denied it occurred, and The New York Times reported there are “gaps” in the evidence provided by the whistleblower. Yet the exposé’s reporters note, “The Times found a trail of contemporaneous emails and conversations that strongly suggested [the whistleblower] knew the outcome and the author of the Hobby Lobby decision before it was made public.”

New Allegations of a Leak by Justice Alito Underscore the Need for Supreme Court Reform

Shocking allegations that Justice Samuel Alito leaked the decision in the 2014 Supreme Court Hobby Lobby case must catalyze a bipartisan effort to reform the court and impose a binding, enforceable code of ethics on its justices.

www.americanprogress.org

 

[hadit]

Either Thomas or his wife.

What incentive would they have to do it? Sounds like you're just naming people you don't like.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What incentive would they have to do it? Sounds like you're just naming people you don't like.

If you leak the decision it keeps any of the other justices from changing their mind before the ruling is finalized.

 

[Independentthinker]

Was is it one of the non-Christian judges that leaked the decision to overturn roe versus wade? If it was I can’t imagine how those judges or the judge can sleep at night.

So what was it ? it was either a judge or one of the clerks ….those were the only people in the room right?

I’m not happy with the Supreme Court right now. It feels like it was one of the non-Christian judges the far left judges who must’ve done this. They think that they’re God or something….? these people who claim to be authority figures who claim to be judges and who think that they have a right to uphold abortions are only judges a name. Certainly not in the eyes of any good moral system …they’re not a judge that’s for sure.

The second part of the post is about the American public. Did the Republicans lose the Senate because of the leak about roe versus wade? Because if that’s the case that means our countries population has a problem and it means that our country‘s population or at least too much of them have been brainwashed by the capitalistic materialistic media that tells us don’t even care about Christianity stop caring about Christmas…. just go and do drugs all the time. we’re legalizing marijuana all over America… That’s what happens when people lose Christian values they turn to drugs, they turn to degradation, they turn to pornography, they turn to just sitting at home all the time. They turn to not being a man not going out meeting women. Look at the divorce rate in America it’s very high. Young people are not going out and meeting other people these are serious problems and we have a government we even have Democrats and Republicans who oppose family values and who support abortion.

What kind of life is that ?is that what the far left wants for young Americans…. that’s the far left want young people to be pro abortion, anti-American, pro reparations, anti-police….. Well it ain’t gonna happen because more and more Americans are beginning to see the light we’re going back to traditional values and we’re gonna make this country something to be proud of once again.

I do believe it is a judge who actually did it but I'm not sure which side it was on. I mean, the decision was going to be released before the midterms anyway, effecting the midterm vote. It could be a righty judge who felt it was better to leak it months ahead to give time for damage control and I wouldn't be surprised it it was Roberts himself. But, I'm saying I really don't know.

 

[Funzo Hoss]

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[hadit]

If you leak the decision it keeps any of the other justices from changing their mind before the ruling is finalized.

Not necessarily. I don't recall seeing any rules or regulations around that. I seriously don't think they did it, especially knowing which way it was going to go.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Not necessarily. I don't recall seeing any rules or regulations around that. I seriously don't think they did it, especially knowing which way it was going to go.

It is a guess, just like everyone else.

 

[alang1216]

I understand the conversation goes both ways. I’ve heard Christians who say that abortion is approved by the Bible but Christian who say abortion is not approved by the Bible. People also point to history as to support abortion or oppose abortion just as you have.

it’s like with the Civil War. During the American Civil War some American Christians said the Bible supports slavery others said the Bible does not support slavery hard

I've always considered the Bible like a Rorschach test, whatever you want to see in it, you'll see in it and can justify almost any action as justified by God at some point.

 

[alang1216]

it’s not just the pregnant woman Who makes the decision but also the doctor

I really doubt this is ever the case. It certainly shouldn't be. The doc and offer medical assessments but the decision is ultimately up to the mother. There are serious issues with limitations on medical care when doctors can be prosecuted.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is nothing to go to jail over, there is no law against leaking that information.

But given they are lawyers themselves they would be disbarred and have to find another career because they'd never work again as an attorney. I would say after the hundreds of thousands the spent in education, that would be just punishment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

that is good information thank you.

Still The leak was bad. It was clearly done for a tactical purpose with nefarious reasons in mind. And that’s why whoever leaked it has to go to jail. This situation cannot just slip away.

The leak threw a wrench into things one could say…. it disrupted the election cycle and it led to some protests with property getting damaged.

I believe it also led to the assassination plans of Justice Kavanaugh.

After 1/6 they were able to identify most of the intruders in the Capitol out of our population of 340 million people, but they can't find a leaker out of a group of a hundred or so? There is something devious going on in this case. More cover-up if anything.