Zone1 Designed for Inequality: The Real Problem Behind Property Tax-Funded Education

[alang1216]

It’s just seemed weird to me how you argued about the unfairness of those that have and those that don’t, but have no problem with higher education keeping knowledge from the poor.

If we truly valued knowledge we’d find a way to share it with everyone regardless of station or wealth.

No education should be kept from the poor but it doesn't appear to me that that is the case.

But sure let’s argue about primary school funding like that’s a solution to the problem rather than a rallying cry for political parties. It won’t solve the problem but it will rally the voters. And that’s all that matters.

Primary school funding is an issue and the whole charter school movement seems like it is an attack on teachers and poor and disabled students.

 

[ding]

No education should be kept from the poor but it doesn't appear to me that that is the case.


Primary school funding is an issue and the whole charter school movement seems like it is an attack on teachers and poor and disabled students.

The commercialization of higher education says it is the case that education is being kept from the poor.

Primary school funding, for the most part, is based upon geography. How are charter schools an attack on teachers and the poor and disabled? It seems to it would be the opposite.

 

[alang1216]

The commercialization of higher education says it is the case that education is being kept from the poor.

Mar e Largo charges a huge amount to play golf there. Is golf being kept from the poor if there are municipal courses available?

Primary school funding, for the most part, is based upon geography. How are charter schools an attack on teachers and the poor and disabled? It seems to it would be the opposite.

Charter schools pay teachers less and can pick and choose their students. Poor, ESL, and disabled students can be excluded and forced to attend a public school that has had it's funding cut due to charter schools.

 

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Mar e Largo charges a huge amount to play golf there. Is golf being kept from the poor if there are municipal courses available?

Are you seriously comparing golf to higher education to defend the commercialization of higher education?

Charter schools pay teachers less and can pick and choose their students. Poor, ESL, and disabled students can be excluded and forced to attend a public school that has had its funding cut due to charter schools.

Isn’t admittance into charter schools based upon merit?

Aren’t salaries based upon the market?

There’s nothing nefarious about either of your points.

Whereas the commercialization of higher education is based upon greed.

 

[Correll]

I don't think the gov't record on social engineering is a very good one so no. Schools might offer sex-ed classes, condoms, and basic financial knowledge.

I believe they are already improving on the basic financial knowledge.

 

[alang1216]

Are you seriously comparing golf to higher education to defend the commercialization of higher education?

Suddenly you don't like the free market? You a socialist or communist?

Isn’t admittance into charter schools based upon merit?

Not that I'm aware of.

Aren’t salaries based upon the market?

Is it a free market?

Whereas the commercialization of higher education is based upon greed.

Evidence for that conspiracy?

 

[Lisa558]

Charter schools pay teachers less and can pick and choose their students. Poor, ESL, and disabled students can be excluded and forced to attend a public school that has had it's funding cut due to charter schools.

On the flip side, exceptionally bright and motivated students are held back by illegal aliens who can’t speak English, general trouble-makers who don’t care about their education, and the mediocre students who lower the level at which subjects are taught.

Charter schools select by merit, and these above-average students can reach their full potential. This is the group from which future scientists, engineers, and other top achievers will come from - and is how America can compete with other advanced nations.

 

[ding]

Suddenly you don't like the free market? You a socialist or communist?

I love the free market. That doesn’t mean the free market should be applied to everything or always works perfectly though. Greed and fraud are its kryptonite.

But if that’s how you feel, why not commercialize primary school education, right?

So education is probably something that shouldn’t be commercialized. And in fact the commercialization of higher education is holding back our country. I’m surprised you don’t see that. Makes me wonder about the skin you have in the game.

Not that I'm aware of.

So what is it based upon?

Is it a free market?

100%. It’s not regulated by any government agency.

Evidence for that conspiracy?

To be a conspiracy there has to be an element of secrecy. I don’t think it’s a secret that universities and its employees make a good deal of money.

But the evidence for greed is pretty simple. They choose not to make the knowledge available to everyone for free.

 

[alang1216]

On the flip side, exceptionally bright and motivated students are held back by illegal aliens who can’t speak English, general trouble-makers who don’t care about their education, and the mediocre students who lower the level at which subjects are taught.

So the are being treated unfairly?

Charter schools select by merit, and these above-average students can reach their full potential. This is the group from which future scientists, engineers, and other top achievers will come from - and is how America can compete with other advanced nations.

Public charter schools cannot select students by academic merit; they are tuition-free public schools open to all, using lottery systems for high-demand situations to ensure fair, equal access, though some may offer preferences for siblings or location, and some specialized charters might have criteria, but generally, they must serve all students.

 

[alang1216]

So what is it based upon?

$

100%. It’s not regulated by any government agency.

Wrong again (at least the ones I know of).

To be a conspiracy there has to be an element of secrecy. I don’t think it’s a secret that universities and its employees make a good deal of money.

Their staff is highly educated.

But the evidence for greed is pretty simple. They choose not to make the knowledge available to everyone for free.

Who will pay for it?

 

[Lisa558]

So the are being treated unfairly?

Of course they are. They are being kept from reaching their full potential because liberals prioritize illegal aliens, mediocre students, and “troubled” kids who cause problems in class.

I absolutely blossomed once I was placed in the top track and school.

Public charter schools cannot select students by academic merit; they are tuition-free public schools open to all, using lottery systems for high-demand situations to ensure fair, equal access, though some may offer preferences for siblings or location, and some specialized charters might have criteria, but generally, they must serve all students.

So you mean the dumber students and illegal aliens can go to charter schools? If that’s true, I see no point.

But I am in favor of separate schools that admit according to merit. It would be beneficial to the smartest kids in allowing them to reach their potential.

 

[alang1216]

So you mean the dumber students and illegal aliens can go to charter schools? If that’s true, I see no point.

Much of a charter school's funding comes from the gov't.

But I am in favor of separate schools that admit according to merit. It would be beneficial to the smartest kids in allowing them to reach their potential.

I agree. My county does not have such a school but we do have access to one in a neighboring county. We do have a mix of neighborhood and specialized, county-wide schools. One size does not fit all.

 

[JoeB131]

On the flip side, exceptionally bright and motivated students are held back by illegal aliens who can’t speak English, general trouble-makers who don’t care about their education, and the mediocre students who lower the level at which subjects are taught.

Charter schools select by merit, and these above-average students can reach their full potential. This is the group from which future scientists, engineers, and other top achievers will come from - and is how America can compete with other advanced nations.

Charter schools are a scam to break the teachers' unions.

25% of Charter Schools shutter within five years. 55% of them fail within 20 years.

k12dive.com/news/1-in-4-charters-close-fail-five-years/729992/

• More than 1 in 4 public charter schools shutter within five years, and the longer a charter operates, the higher its failure rate, according to a longitudinal study released Monday by the National Center for Charter School Accountability and Network for Public Education.
• The study, which gathered data from more than 2 million U.S. Department of Education records, found that by year 20, the average failure rate is 55%.
• Nearly half of charters that closed between the 2022-23 and 2023-24 school years did so due to low enrollment, with the second most common reason being fraud or mismanagement, the study concluded based on a nationally representative analysis of news stories.

 

[dblack]

Charter schools are a scam to break the teachers' unions.

Nah. That's just an unexpected benefit.

 

[JoeB131]

Nah. That's just an unexpected benefit.

How is that a benefit? "Hey, we want you to do a difficult job for not a lot of money with no job protections!"

50% of new teachers quit within five years despite having union representation.

 

[Mr Natural]

How is that a benefit? "Hey, we want you to do a difficult job for not a lot of money with no job protections!"

50% of new teachers quit within five years despite having union representation.

I worked with a few former teachers in my working days. Every one of them had the same reason for quitting the profession: The parents.

 

[JoeB131]

I worked with a few former teachers in my working days. Every one of them had the same reason for quitting the profession: The parents.

I have no doubt.

"My little Timmy would never cause problems!"

 

[Lisa558]

Much of a charter school's funding comes from the gov't.

Much of a public school’s funding comes from the govt as well. We need funding to help the slower learners AND funding to address the educational needs of our best and brightest as well,

I agree. My county does not have such a school but we do have access to one in a neighboring county. We do have a mix of neighborhood and specialized, county-wide schools. One size does not fit all.

Thank you.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

On the flip side, exceptionally bright and motivated students are held back by illegal aliens who can’t speak English, general trouble-makers who don’t care about their education, and the mediocre students who lower the level at which subjects are taught.

Charter schools select by merit, and these above-average students can reach their full potential. This is the group from which future scientists, engineers, and other top achievers will come from - and is how America can compete with other advanced nations.

Another thing, too, is that many of the bright students BECOME the troublemakers because they are bored and lose respect for teachers who teach to the lowest common denominator.

 

[JoeB131]

Another thing, too, is that many of the bright students BECOME the troublemakers because they are bored and lose respect for teachers who teach to the lowest common denominator.

That sounds like a disciplinary problem.

Keeping a teen in class interested for six hours is a challenge, but classroom maintenance is something they really don't teach in the education programs. It's kind of sink or swim.