Dems want Laws changed after Rittenhouse shootings. Are vigilantes the answer? (Poll)

[theHawk]

Anyone else want to sacrifice their lives and freedom to protect some corporate storefront from damage?

Don’t care about corporate stores, but private businesses damn sure can be guarded. Shooting looters should be legal all the time.

 

[theHawk]

Stop and Frisk was a racist policy directed against people of color. It didn't work at all. NYC didn't experience any more of a drop in crime than the rest of the country did...

Bullshit, it dropped crime dramatically.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

We aren't talking about all whites, we are talking about the Cleetuses in the trailer parks, who think their welfare is somehow okay.

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Cleetus, no one is talking about campgrounds... we're talking about the trailer parks where the trailers never move, and they all are on meth and don't have jobs.

Isn't it funny, how those who are most fond of falsely accusing others of various forms of bigotry just cannot help showing themselves, often in the very same breath, to be genuine bigots, much worse than what they are falsely accusing others of being? It's not just you, Incel Joe, though you are one of the more spectacular examples of this.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Stop and Frisk was a racist policy directed against people of color. It didn't work at all. NYC didn't experience any more of a drop in crime than the rest of the country did...

Bullshit, it dropped crime dramatically.

This is an issue that has me almost agreeing with Incel Joe.

Not that “stop and frisk” is inherently racist. Incel Joe is inclined to label anything with which he disagrees as “racist” even (especially) when it has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

I disagree with “stop and frisk” because it is blatantly unconstitutional; it is wholly irreconcilable with the Fourth Amendment.

 

[Soupnazi630]

One of the bullets hit Rosenbaum in the back when he was already down.
There was a mostly white jury.
Rittenhouse is a murdering piece of shit.



Again, what was he ACTUALLY convicted of? One count. 18 years ago. Big whupp..



Wow, Mormon Bob showing his homophobia again... Maybe we should call him "Closeted Mormon Bob", given that most really homophobic people are getting some on the downlow.

A white jury is perfedctly good and not the least bit unjust.

You are a proven liar he was not shot in the back while down

Ritrenhouse defended himself against murdering pieces of shit and THOSE are facts in your face which you can only lie about.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Okay, except a lot of those 40 people killed were killed by police officers or counterprotesters (including KR). So your argument is weak.

I'm sorry that it had to come to riots.
I'm sorry that we didn't reform our police departments 10 years ago when it was clear that this sort of thing was a problem.




And now you went into crazy town.... Yes, how dare the people in our intelligence and legal agencies actually investigate the attempts by Russia to influence our election. We should take it on a pinky-swear by Trump because he was so honest.

Um, weren't you the same guys who had Ken Starr spend 70 million dollars investigating a failed land deal and ended up trying to prove Clinton lied about getting a blow job?

Wrong they were killed by BLLM

It has not " come " to riots.

The riots ar enot a desperate act of seeking jutice when all ogther avenues have failed. They are nothing more than greedy efforts to loot and pillage based on lies.
You lie about the innocent aqnd defend criminals you are a fascist pig

 

[CowboyTed]

Your poll is for biased morons and will yield exactly the results you want it to because anyone with half a brain will not vote.

On the subject of your post, you've just reset the whole definition of self defense. That's gonna have wide ranging and unforeseen consequences.

I actually think Kyle while being extremely stupid and it should be legally wrong the position he put himself in. He is not a murderer, just a stupid silly boy who got people killed.

The people who attacked him thought he killed someone and were trying to stop him, instead of denigrating them they should be commended for there bravery. But Kyle had no way to know that in the split second so he shot them..

This is a miscommunication with guns involved... People die without anyone being a murderer, it is accident precedented by a bunch of silly irresponsible decisions. Those decisions were not illegal (one had a loop hole) but would it not be prudent to make it illegal in future or are we happy with people bringing guns to protests.

BTW, there is a problem in America around peaceful protests and there needs to be greater co-operation between organisers and police to identify agitators... BLM made it very clear that they didn't want violence but there is agitators and anarchists in the crowd that use the crowd as cover to cause violence... These people don't really care about the cause of the organisers and are there to cause trouble.. Both sides have this problem...
In Europe the organisers are asked to have there own people in the crowd and afterwards to identify with the police trouble makers, to the point they would be communicating on radio...

 

[JoeB131]

Bullshit, it dropped crime dramatically.

Actually, it did nothing of the sort.

Crime dropped across the country since the 1990's, for no other reason than the demographic that commits crime - poor young people - aged out as the Baby Boomers started moving into their late 30's. Cities that didn't impose racist stop and frisk policies saw a similar drop in crime.

The end result of Guiliani's jackboot tactics was a whole new list of outrages such as Abner Louima being sodomized with a plunger, or Amadou Diallo being shot 41 times, or Eric Garner being choked to death for selling loose cigarettes. (Waiting for a Racist Cult Member to scream how selling loosies made him "Sub human criminal scum)!

Isn't it funny, how those who are most fond of falsely accusing others of various forms of bigotry just cannot help showing themselves, often in the very same breath, to be genuine bigots, much worse than what they are falsely accusing others of being? It's not just you, @Incel Joe, though you are one of the more spectacular examples of this.

Not at all... being white trash is a choice. This society gives all this privilege to white folks, and some of them STILL manage to not only fuck it up, but vote for the people who fuck them. And frankly, it's been this way since poor dumb white people went out and caught bullets so the rich could keep owning slaves.

Not that “stop and frisk” is inherently racist. @Incel Joe is inclined to label anything with which he disagrees as “racist” even (especially) when it has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

I disagree with “stop and frisk” because it is blatantly unconstitutional; it is wholly irreconcilable with the Fourth Amendment.

Here's the problem, Cultist Bob, they weren't frisking the white guy in the $500.00 suit. They were frisking the black kid in the hoodie. That's what made Stop and Frisk Racist. If they were stopping and frisking everyone, Corrupt Rudy would have been facing an angry mob at city hall.

As far as Unconstitutional, I go back to my standard phrase... "Silly Darkie, Rights are for White People". Check your privilege!

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong they were killed by BLLM

It has not " come " to riots.

The riots ar enot a desperate act of seeking jutice when all ogther avenues have failed. They are nothing more than greedy efforts to loot and pillage based on lies.
You lie about the innocent aqnd defend criminals you are a fascist pig

Hey, remember when this happened?

They weren't looting, burning or rioting. They were making a peaceful protest about cases of police using lethal force against black people for minor infractions or no crime at all. Did we have a discussion to address their concerns? Nope. We ruined their professional careers and insisted the NFL put a stop to this!!!

Sadly, white people only care about change when you threaten to break their stuff. Shouldn't be that way, but it is. Dr. King marched for a decade peacefully, but it was only when the Black Panthers and Malcolm X threatened actual violence that people got off their asses and made real change.

 

[Turtlesoup]

All of whom probably paid him "go away" money. He settled way to easy, probably because his lawyers went to the NBC's lawyers and said, "We can drag this out for years, or you can pay us off now for a fraction and we'll go away!" It's an abuse of our legal system that needs to be fixed.


Uh, Mark Fuhrman... the guy who claimed he never, ever used the N-word and then tapes surfaced showing him using the N-word quite a bit. When he was recalled to the stand he plead the fifth... After the case, he plead guilty to perjury and was removed from the LAPD.

Yes, OJ is a piece of shit. So is Rittenhouse.. But if the judicial system doesn't do it's job, POS's get away with murder.


Well, now that we see the kinds of shenanigans that go on in his court room, they'll probably rethink that, although I expect this twit will retire now that Democrats know who he is now.




Again, the standard is, you don't get to claim self-defense if you instigated the situation. You can't start a fight in a bar and then claim self-defense when you kill someone.


You mean other than him hanging out with the racist Proud Boys.

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You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be held civilly liable.... that's the whole point. People are held civilly liable all day for their negligence or intentional actions. All they have to show is that crossing state lines with a gun and getting into the middle of a riot was negligent when he shot three people....

Again, the real problem here is that he'd be the sideshow. The real negligence was the City of Kenosha letting these thugs run amok with guns.



Any jury?

Hey, what if we had a jury that actually had black people on it? You know, instead of just one person of color.

Should have never been an issue----it is just a word, no worse than calling someone an asshole or bitch. And btw, didn't they have him on tape as he in a character was pushing a script for a movie or something?

This said, I watched the whole trial (I skipped school to do it)...there was more than enough evidence to convict OJ. His racist jury would not ever convict him, because he was black and a celebrity.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Hey, remember when this happened?

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They weren't looting, burning or rioting. They were making a peaceful protest about cases of police using lethal force against black people for minor infractions or no crime at all. Did we have a discussion to address their concerns? Nope. We ruined their professional careers and insisted the NFL put a stop to this!!!

Sadly, white people only care about change when you threaten to break their stuff. Shouldn't be that way, but it is. Dr. King marched for a decade peacefully, but it was only when the Black Panthers and Malcolm X threatened actual violence that people got off their asses and made real change.

Yes I remember when a second rate has been football player tried to start a new career by making a lame statement.

They were looting burning and rioting for no good reason.

One instance ( chauvin ) is not cause to riot. The vast majority of police shooting are justified even if suspect is unarmed such as Brown /Wilson .

People were more than willing to discuss but the scum bag racist pigs of BLM wanted no discussion they wanted violence.

It is notbhing more than a dishnest excuse for mob violence.

 

[Turtlesoup]

The Judge let Rittenhouse choose the jurors who would deliberate. He said it was because it gave the accused more control and made them feel good

He drew names pumpkin---no way to tell which jury members were being picked or not. It was random.

 

[Turtlesoup]

I actually think Kyle while being extremely stupid and it should be legally wrong the position he put himself in. He is not a murderer, just a stupid silly boy who got people killed.

The people who attacked him thought he killed someone and were trying to stop him, instead of denigrating them they should be commended for there bravery. But Kyle had no way to know that in the split second so he shot them..

This is a miscommunication with guns involved... People die without anyone being a murderer, it is accident precedented by a bunch of silly irresponsible decisions. Those decisions were not illegal (one had a loop hole) but would it not be prudent to make it illegal in future or are we happy with people bringing guns to protests.

BTW, there is a problem in America around peaceful protests and there needs to be greater co-operation between organisers and police to identify agitators... BLM made it very clear that they didn't want violence but there is agitators and anarchists in the crowd that use the crowd as cover to cause violence... These people don't really care about the cause of the organisers and are there to cause trouble.. Both sides have this problem...
In Europe the organisers are asked to have there own people in the crowd and afterwards to identify with the police trouble makers, to the point they would be communicating on radio...

What a crock of shit. The first guy pedo guy had threatened to kill Kyle and the others all day long--he was waiting for an opportunity. When Kyle separated from the group--pedo saw his chance much like he did when he raped those little boys--he waited for the boys to be alone and unprotected. Second guy, is on video--he and pedo boy were buddies working together to harass all day--he certainly knew that the pedo was awaiting his opportunity to attack. Third guy just wanted to murder one of the boys protecting the business as well. JUST LIKE WITH EVERY FUCKING OTHER RIOT--the antifa thugs/criminals see the riots as group crime being ok and MOB up to attack anyone else that the group goes after. Third guy attacked because the antifa jackasses attack anyone that the group does. And they have attacked hundreds of innocent people. Antifa/blm are Rabid animals..

 

[surada]

What a crock of shit. The first guy pedo guy had threatened to kill Kyle and the others all day long--he was waiting for an opportunity. When Kyle separated from the group--pedo saw his chance much like he did when he raped those little boys--he waited for the boys to be alone and unprotected.

Second guy, is on video--he and pedo boy were buddies working together to harass all day--he certainly knew that the pedo was awaiting his opportunity to attack. Third guy just wanted to murder one of the boys protecting the business as well. JUST LIKE WITH EVERY FUCKING OTHER RIOT--the antifa thugs/criminals see the riots as group crime being ok and MOB up to attack anyone else that the group goes after. Third guy attacked because the antifa jackasses attack anyone that the group does. And they have attacked hundreds of innocent people. Antifa/blm are Rabid animals..

No one had threatened to kill Kyle all day long. When did he arrive in Kenosha and why was he breaking curfew when the cops had told everyone to go home?

 

[Crepitus]

I actually think Kyle while being extremely stupid and it should be legally wrong the position he put himself in. He is not a murderer, just a stupid silly boy who got people killed.

The people who attacked him thought he killed someone and were trying to stop him, instead of denigrating them they should be commended for there bravery. But Kyle had no way to know that in the split second so he shot them..

This is a miscommunication with guns involved... People die without anyone being a murderer, it is accident precedented by a bunch of silly irresponsible decisions. Those decisions were not illegal (one had a loop hole) but would it not be prudent to make it illegal in future or are we happy with people bringing guns to protests.

BTW, there is a problem in America around peaceful protests and there needs to be greater co-operation between organisers and police to identify agitators... BLM made it very clear that they didn't want violence but there is agitators and anarchists in the crowd that use the crowd as cover to cause violence... These people don't really care about the cause of the organisers and are there to cause trouble.. Both sides have this problem...
In Europe the organisers are asked to have there own people in the crowd and afterwards to identify with the police trouble makers, to the point they would be communicating on radio...

Youre being far too forgiving.

 

[kyzr]

Stop and Frisk was a racist policy directed against people of color. It didn't work at all. NYC didn't experience any more of a drop in crime than the rest of the country did...

Sure it does.. The gun makers are deliberately selling to bad people, because they know the good people will get scared and want more guns...

1. "Stop and Frisk" worked under Rudy & Bloomberg. NYC streets were the safest ever, until the policy was found to be unconstitutional, so now the criminals own the streets.

Factsheet: NYPD STOP AND FRISK POLICY - Bridge Initiative

Stop and frisk is a policing tactic of temporarily detaining, questioning, and frisking individuals in search of weapons or contraband. The New York Police Department’s (NYPD) use of the tactic under Mayor Rudy Giuliani (1994–2001) and Mayor Michael Bloomberg (2002–2013) disproportionately...

bridge.georgetown.edu

2. If any gun store sells to a criminal, i.e. "someone who fails a background check", they go to prison.

 

[theHawk]

Hey, remember when this happened?

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They weren't looting, burning or rioting. They were making a peaceful protest about cases of police using lethal force against black people for minor infractions or no crime at all. Did we have a discussion to address their concerns? Nope. We ruined their professional careers and insisted the NFL put a stop to this!!!

Sadly, white people only care about change when you threaten to break their stuff. Shouldn't be that way, but it is. Dr. King marched for a decade peacefully, but it was only when the Black Panthers and Malcolm X threatened actual violence that people got off their asses and made real change.

What a load of shit. BLM is based on lies that police are brutalizing negroes, and killing them in disproportionate numbers. It’s all a complete fabrication and lies. If cops didn’t kill one black person for a whole year, black homicide rates wouldn’t even drop 1%. Look at how 99% of their “heroes” turn out to be justified shootings because it was indeed a black criminal (usually with a long rap sheet) who was committing a crime, and refused to obey police orders.

 

[JoeB131]

Should have never been an issue----it is just a word, no worse than calling someone an asshole or bitch. And btw, didn't they have him on tape as he in a character was pushing a script for a movie or something?

Doesn't matter. He was directly asked if he had ever used that word, and he lied. Therefore any other testimony he gave and evidence he collected became questionable.

This said, I watched the whole trial (I skipped school to do it)...there was more than enough evidence to convict OJ. His racist jury would not ever convict him, because he was black and a celebrity.

No, they didn't convict because the LAPD had no credibility at that point.

 

[JoeB131]

What a load of shit. BLM is based on lies that police are brutalizing negroes, and killing them in disproportionate numbers. It’s all a complete fabrication and lies. If cops didn’t kill one black person for a whole year, black homicide rates wouldn’t even drop 1%. Look at how 99% of their “heroes” turn out to be justified shootings because it was indeed a black criminal (usually with a long rap sheet) who was committing a crime, and refused to obey police orders.

I am going to point this out, to show that Conservatives don't know shit about math.

In 2020, 241 black people were shot by police.

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with 1,097 civilians, 225 of whom were Black, killed by police in 2022.

www.statista.com

Total murder victims in 2020 were 9913

Murder victims by race U.S. 2023| Statista

In 2023, the FBI reported that there were 9,284 Black murder victims in the United States and 7,289 white murder victims.

www.statista.com

3% of black homicides were at the hands of police.

As far as justified shootings, the fact is, American cops kill 1000 people a year of all races.

British cops kill 5 people a year.

 

[easyt65]

Are vigilantes the answer?

It depends on what the question is.

1. Rittenhouse is no 'vigilante'. He is a young manwho made bad decisions while wanting g to help people and ended up being attacked and forced to kill 2 people and wound another in self-defense to save his own life. They rednecks who grabbed their guns, chased down Arbery because they believed he committed a crime and ended up killing him by shooting him twice with a shotgun were vigilantes.

2. When you look how Democrsts facilitated domestic terrorists antifa and BLM violence over protecting American citizens, when you look at how Democrats have imported foreign rapists, thieves, pedophiles and murderers, when you see intentional liberal failed policies letting murderers out of jail To prey on US citizens or that facilitates massive looting flash mobs and violent crimes that result in meaningless 'citations', no fines or jail time, WHILE DEFUNDING THE POLICE....

....then the answer is the DEMOCRATS ARE CREATING VIGILANTES AS AMERICAN CITIZENS' ONLY OPTION FOR SELF-DEFENSE, DEFENSE OF PUBLIC / PRIVATE BUSINESSES, AND PUBLIC AND PERSONAL SAFETY.

It wasn't until Tlaib declared she was introducing legislation that would free EVERY person in prisons that I was convinced that Liberalismis a cometely real MENTAL ILLNESS.

When asked if she knew exactly how many people were imprisoned and how many truly depraved, evil, violent criminals there were in prison she responded by saying SHE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH CASE, CASE BY CASE.

WTF?

The POS who ran through the Christmas parade recently, killing 6 people - including children, is an example of sick, twisted liberal fucks having more empathy and sympathy for sick, violent, sadistic criminals / murderers than they have for their victims!

You have to be truly fucked up in the head to let an attempted murderer - who ran over his baby mamma with a car - out of jail on a $1,000 bail. The DA shod be charged as an accomice, for facilitating the vehicular homicides and attempted murders of the others the thug hit.