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[LadyGunSlinger]

If Paul Ryan wants to cut military spending, he should consider advocating the closure of foreign military bases the US has no modern need for and act as little more than vacation spots.

I don't think Germany, Japan, Australia (SERIOUSLY?), or the UK are a threat to our national security. Shutting them down and reallocating those personnel and resources to other tasks instead of requisitioning yet more would save a mint.

Unless we're worried about being bombed with shrimps on the bah-bee, of course.

(Note, I did not even come close to listing ALL overseas bases, nor even the most tactically advantageous ones for the ME issues that are the focus of world tension)

How do you know Ryan has not also considered closure of foreign military bases?


A reference would be helpful.

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

I just have to make mention of your signature which is too funny and dead on accurate. LOL

 

[Samson]

How liberal of you.. Americans should ALWAYS "cherry pick" the welfare of those who die in your place and mine.. It's a price that can never be repaid.. it is the least we can do to live up to what these men and women were promised.

Equivocate however you want. Spending cuts will be painful.

Washington is suffering from a spending addiction. For years, both Democrats and Republicans have increased federal spending and approved debt limit increases without regard for the consequences. At a $17 trillion national debt, our country is on the verge of a fiscal crisis, and unless we get our deficit under control, the American people will pay the price for Washington’s reckless spending spree.

I agree with you.. but I can't see it on the back of our Veterans when it comes to their personal care. I'm with House.. close those ******* bases outside of American soil which we have no business in being in the first place.

Who said anything about not giving Veterans personal care?

What about the personal care of taxpayers?

the deal would cut $6 billion from military retirement over 10 years, and another $6 billion from federal civilian retirement by forcing new hires with fewer than five years' federal service to contribute an additional 1.3 percent of salary toward their pensions.

"We think it's only fair that hard-working taxpayers who paid for the benefits that our federal employees receive are treated fairly as well," said Ryan. "We also believe it's important that military families as well as non-military families are treated equally and fair."

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Equivocate however you want. Spending cuts will be painful.

Washington is suffering from a spending addiction. For years, both Democrats and Republicans have increased federal spending and approved debt limit increases without regard for the consequences. At a $17 trillion national debt, our country is on the verge of a fiscal crisis, and unless we get our deficit under control, the American people will pay the price for Washington’s reckless spending spree.

I agree with you.. but I can't see it on the back of our Veterans when it comes to their personal care. I'm with House.. close those ******* bases outside of American soil which we have no business in being in the first place.

Who said anything about not giving Veterans personal care?

What about the personal care of taxpayers?

the deal would cut $6 billion from military retirement over 10 years, and another $6 billion from federal civilian retirement by forcing new hires with fewer than five years' federal service to contribute an additional 1.3 percent of salary toward their pensions.

"We think it's only fair that hard-working taxpayers who paid for the benefits that our federal employees receive are treated fairly as well," said Ryan. "We also believe it's important that military families as well as non-military families are treated equally and fair."

When civilian families shed their blood in some God-forsaken land thousands of miles away, when they spend months and years away from loved ones, not being able to watch their own children's most precious moments.. When civilians sleep on the ground and go days without a shower.. when they watch their closest friend whom they call "brother" get blown to bits, then and only then will I agree to tell that Veteran or the widow of a Soldier, "Too bad.. I know we promised you that we would live up to our end of this contract, thanks for your husbands sacrifice, but sorry.. we have to cut your benefits." No thanks.

 

[Samson]

If Paul Ryan wants to cut military spending, he should consider advocating the closure of foreign military bases the US has no modern need for and act as little more than vacation spots.

I don't think Germany, Japan, Australia (SERIOUSLY?), or the UK are a threat to our national security. Shutting them down and reallocating those personnel and resources to other tasks instead of requisitioning yet more would save a mint.

Unless we're worried about being bombed with shrimps on the bah-bee, of course.

(Note, I did not even come close to listing ALL overseas bases, nor even the most tactically advantageous ones for the ME issues that are the focus of world tension)

How do you know Ryan has not also considered closure of foreign military bases?


A reference would be helpful.

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

You made the claim he hasn't considered closing foreign military bases

Now you cannot prove it.



I see why your only response resort to 3rd-grade-level poo throwing.



I appreciate the red herring though: If you cannot debate the OP, lets start debating your imaginary accusations

 

[Kosh]

If Paul Ryan wants to cut military spending, he should consider advocating the closure of foreign military bases the US has no modern need for and act as little more than vacation spots.

I don't think Germany, Japan, Australia (SERIOUSLY?), or the UK are a threat to our national security. Shutting them down and reallocating those personnel and resources to other tasks instead of requisitioning yet more would save a mint.

Unless we're worried about being bombed with shrimps on the bah-bee, of course.

(Note, I did not even come close to listing ALL overseas bases, nor even the most tactically advantageous ones for the ME issues that are the focus of world tension)

How do you know Ryan has not also considered closure of foreign military bases?


A reference would be helpful.

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

That is often the tactic of the far left and this poster is certainly no Liberal. Many of the true liberals are not happy with their party or Obama.

 

[Kosh]

How do you know Ryan has not also considered closure of foreign military bases?


A reference would be helpful.

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

You made the claim he hasn't considered closing foreign military bases

Now you cannot prove it.



I see why your only response resort to 3rd-grade-level poo throwing.



I appreciate the red herring though: If you cannot debate the OP, lets start debating your imaginary accusations

This from the poster that just asked to prove a negative...

 

[House]

How do you know Ryan has not also considered closure of foreign military bases?


A reference would be helpful.

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

I just have to make mention of your signature which is too funny and dead on accurate. LOL

Which part? I discovered the bit about Christmas while studying the origins of Saint Nick, the Christmas tree, and other standard holiday traditions.

Funny part is, I have pretty strong Christian beliefs... just not the mainstream ones that most "Christians" pay lip service to. That's a whole new thread, though.

As far as the first half of my sig, that came from government's own actions/inactions over the years. Obama's regime has only strengthened that belief.

 

[Samson]

I agree with you.. but I can't see it on the back of our Veterans when it comes to their personal care. I'm with House.. close those ******* bases outside of American soil which we have no business in being in the first place.

Who said anything about not giving Veterans personal care?

What about the personal care of taxpayers?

the deal would cut $6 billion from military retirement over 10 years, and another $6 billion from federal civilian retirement by forcing new hires with fewer than five years' federal service to contribute an additional 1.3 percent of salary toward their pensions.

"We think it's only fair that hard-working taxpayers who paid for the benefits that our federal employees receive are treated fairly as well," said Ryan. "We also believe it's important that military families as well as non-military families are treated equally and fair."

When civilian families shed their blood in some God-forsaken land thousands of miles away, when they spend months and years away from loved ones, not being able to watch their own children's most precious moments.. When civilians sleep on the ground and go days without a shower.. when they watch their closest friend whom they call "brother" get blown to bits, then and only then will I agree to tell that Veteran or the widow of a Soldier, "Too bad.. I know we promised you that we would live up to our end of this contract, thanks for your husbands sacrifice, but sorry.. we have to cut your benefits." No thanks.

When Honduran children are dying in American Streets of Starvation........they need a FEDERAL FREE CHEESE PROGRAM!!!

Blah Blah...Blah....

You're singing the same tune as a ****'n bleeding heart Lib, only different lyrics..

Keep pickin those cherrys hon...you're clearly not ready for a balanced budget.

 

[House]

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

You made the claim he hasn't considered closing foreign military bases

Now you cannot prove it.



I see why your only response resort to 3rd-grade-level poo throwing.



I appreciate the red herring though: If you cannot debate the OP, lets start debating your imaginary accusations

This from the poster that just asked to prove a negative...

He also conveniently ignores the fact I never made a claim, only a suggestion of possible advocacy. The only one making any claims between our discourse is him.

 

[Samson]

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

You made the claim he hasn't considered closing foreign military bases

Now you cannot prove it.



I see why your only response resort to 3rd-grade-level poo throwing.



I appreciate the red herring though: If you cannot debate the OP, lets start debating your imaginary accusations

This from the poster that just asked to prove a negative...

Yeah lets debate closing foreign bases.

You think that's a good idea genius?



(This is gonna be good)

 

[Samson]

You made the claim he hasn't considered closing foreign military bases

Now you cannot prove it.



I see why your only response resort to 3rd-grade-level poo throwing.



I appreciate the red herring though: If you cannot debate the OP, lets start debating your imaginary accusations

This from the poster that just asked to prove a negative...

He also conveniently ignores the fact I never made a claim, only a suggestion of possible advocacy. The only one making any claims between our discourse is him.

<<<<yawn>>>>

nothing more stimulating than a debate about semantics, huh?

What does "possible advocacy" mean?

 

[House]

This from the poster that just asked to prove a negative...

He also conveniently ignores the fact I never made a claim, only a suggestion of possible advocacy. The only one making any claims between our discourse is him.

<<<<yawn>>>>

nothing more stimulating than a debate about semantics, huh?

What does "possible advocacy" mean?

The devil is in the details. Something you'd realize if you actually had an open mind instead of viewing anyone with opposing political views as automatically wrong.

"Possible advocacy" is an admission that I am not an omniscient creature & that those bases are the ones I would recommend advocating for closure, not a demand that those bases be closed "CUZ I SED SO."

You know... those "semantics" you so enjoy.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Who said anything about not giving Veterans personal care?

What about the personal care of taxpayers?

the deal would cut $6 billion from military retirement over 10 years, and another $6 billion from federal civilian retirement by forcing new hires with fewer than five years' federal service to contribute an additional 1.3 percent of salary toward their pensions.

"We think it's only fair that hard-working taxpayers who paid for the benefits that our federal employees receive are treated fairly as well," said Ryan. "We also believe it's important that military families as well as non-military families are treated equally and fair."

When civilian families shed their blood in some God-forsaken land thousands of miles away, when they spend months and years away from loved ones, not being able to watch their own children's most precious moments.. When civilians sleep on the ground and go days without a shower.. when they watch their closest friend whom they call "brother" get blown to bits, then and only then will I agree to tell that Veteran or the widow of a Soldier, "Too bad.. I know we promised you that we would live up to our end of this contract, thanks for your husbands sacrifice, but sorry.. we have to cut your benefits." No thanks.

When Honduran children are dying in American Streets of Starvation........they need a FEDERAL FREE CHEESE PROGRAM!!!

Blah Blah...Blah....

You're singing the same tune as a ****'n bleeding heart Lib, only different lyrics..

Keep pickin those cherrys hon...you're clearly not ready for a balanced budget.

Honduran children have what to do with American patriots who served this nation with an expressed promise, oath that they would have certain and specific guarantee's for putting their life on the line for you and me. Let's discuss the reality of military pay versus their civilian counterpart.

Pay and Taxes
According to Military.com, civilian jobs typically pay more than military jobs. A soldier's pay is constrained by his rank and how many years he's spent in service. This means a newly commissioned doctor might make just under $50,000 a year, whereas a civilian family doctor can make $189,000 and more.

Military and Veteran Benefits, News, Veteran Jobs | Military.com

Stop comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Samson]

He also conveniently ignores the fact I never made a claim, only a suggestion of possible advocacy. The only one making any claims between our discourse is him.

<<<<yawn>>>>

nothing more stimulating than a debate about semantics, huh?

What does "possible advocacy" mean?

The devil is in the details. Something you'd realize if you actually had an open mind instead of viewing anyone with opposing political views as automatically wrong.

"Possible advocacy" is an admission that I am not an omniscient creature & that those bases are the ones I would recommend advocating for closure, not a demand that those bases be closed "CUZ I SED SO."

You know... those "semantics" you so enjoy.

Wow that's really impressive.

Thanks

 

[Kosh]

You made the claim he hasn't considered closing foreign military bases

Now you cannot prove it.



I see why your only response resort to 3rd-grade-level poo throwing.



I appreciate the red herring though: If you cannot debate the OP, lets start debating your imaginary accusations

This from the poster that just asked to prove a negative...

Yeah lets debate closing foreign bases.

You think that's a good idea genius?



(This is gonna be good)

This from the one that just wanted another poster to prove a negative..

Revisionist history based on hyper partisan (far left) politics is always a bad idea..

 

[Samson]

When civilian families shed their blood in some God-forsaken land thousands of miles away, when they spend months and years away from loved ones, not being able to watch their own children's most precious moments.. When civilians sleep on the ground and go days without a shower.. when they watch their closest friend whom they call "brother" get blown to bits, then and only then will I agree to tell that Veteran or the widow of a Soldier, "Too bad.. I know we promised you that we would live up to our end of this contract, thanks for your husbands sacrifice, but sorry.. we have to cut your benefits." No thanks.

When Honduran children are dying in American Streets of Starvation........they need a FEDERAL FREE CHEESE PROGRAM!!!

Blah Blah...Blah....

You're singing the same tune as a ****'n bleeding heart Lib, only different lyrics..

Keep pickin those cherrys hon...you're clearly not ready for a balanced budget.

Honduran children have what to do with American patriots who served this nation with an expressed promise, oath that they would have certain and specific guarantee's for putting their life on the line for you and me. Let's discuss the reality of military pay versus their civilian counterpart.

Pay and Taxes
According to Military.com, civilian jobs typically pay more than military jobs. A soldier's pay is constrained by his rank and how many years he's spent in service. This means a newly commissioned doctor might make just under $50,000 a year, whereas a civilian family doctor can make $189,000 and more.

Military and Veteran Benefits, News, Veteran Jobs | Military.com

Stop comparing apples to oranges.

No lets compare a family doctor to a 2nd Lt...that makes more sense.

Better yet, let's ignore the fact that the bill has nothing to do with military pay...it makes cherry picking our budget cuts much simpler.

 

[House]

Oh what the hell... Samson totally flipped the script.

Well played, sir!

 

[Kosh]

When Honduran children are dying in American Streets of Starvation........they need a FEDERAL FREE CHEESE PROGRAM!!!

Blah Blah...Blah....

You're singing the same tune as a ****'n bleeding heart Lib, only different lyrics..

Keep pickin those cherrys hon...you're clearly not ready for a balanced budget.

Honduran children have what to do with American patriots who served this nation with an expressed promise, oath that they would have certain and specific guarantee's for putting their life on the line for you and me. Let's discuss the reality of military pay versus their civilian counterpart.

Pay and Taxes
According to Military.com, civilian jobs typically pay more than military jobs. A soldier's pay is constrained by his rank and how many years he's spent in service. This means a newly commissioned doctor might make just under $50,000 a year, whereas a civilian family doctor can make $189,000 and more.

Military and Veteran Benefits, News, Veteran Jobs | Military.com

Stop comparing apples to oranges.

No lets compare a family doctor to a 2nd Lt...that makes more sense.

Better yet, let's ignore the fact that the bill has nothing to do with military pay...it makes cherry picking our budget cuts much simpler.

So which social programs should be cut?

 

[Samson]

This from the poster that just asked to prove a negative...

Yeah lets debate closing foreign bases.

You think that's a good idea genius?



(This is gonna be good)

This from the one that just wanted another poster to prove a negative..

Revisionist history based on hyper partisan (far left) politics is always a bad idea..

Try to focus on the OP, m'kay?

Do

You

Believe

Closing

Foreign

Bases

Is

A

Good


Idea?

 

[Dad2three]

Senate Dems block amendment to restore veteran benefits by closing illegal immigrant welfare loophole

Senate Dems: illegal immigrant welfare over veteran benefits | The Daily Caller

Senate Republicans were unable to stop military pension cuts when Senate Democrats blocked a vote on an amendment to prevent the cuts by closing a welfare loophole for illegal immigrants Tuesday evening.

The two-year budget deal brokered by Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, would cut military pensions by $6 billion over ten years, leaving some Senate Republicans scrambling to stop the cuts.

“Removing this unbalanced treatment of our military retirees ought to be one of the key actions we should take before this legislation moves forward. In fact, greater savings than this can be achieved by passing a legislative fix recommended by the Inspector General of the U.S. Treasury that would stop the IRS from improperly providing tax credits to illegal aliens,” Alabama Republican Jeff Sessions said Monday, announcing his co-sponsorship of Mississippi Republican Sen. Roger Wicker’s amendment to restore the military retirement benefits Monday.

Additionally, the Alabama Republican offered his own amendment to restore the cuts by targeting a child tax credit loophole that illegal immigrants have used to unlawfully obtain welfare benefits.

In 2011, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration found that “individuals who are not authorized to work in the United States” and therefore did not have a valid Social Security number were still able to obtain billions in Additional Child Tax Credits by filing returns with an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number.

Specifically the Internal Revenue Service watchdog found that unauthorized individuals received $4.2 billion refundable credits in Processing Year 2010.

Tuesday evening, Sessions attempted to force Majority Leader Harry Reid allow amendments the budget agreement.

Sessions hoped to attach his amendment to the deal — which would have closed the loophole by requiring a Social Security number to claim the refundable portion of the child tax credit and restore military retirement benefits.

Sessions’ motion failed on a 46 to 54 party-line vote, with North Carolina Sen. Kay Hagan crossing the aisle as the lone Democrat to vote with the Republicans.

“Reid’s majority just voted to keep pension cut for vets instead of cutting welfare payments to illegal aliens,” a Sessions aide emailed.​

“Reid’s majority just voted to keep pension cut for vets instead of cutting welfare payments to illegal aliens,” a Sessions aide emailed.


LOL, WELL AS LONG AS SUCH AN UNBIASED SOURCES SAYS IT'S TRUE IT MUST BE RIGHT?

12/18/2013 LOL

Murray argued that adding more amendments would jeopardize the carefully crafted bill and noted that, given the two-year time frame Democrats and Republicans could continue to work together to find savings in the future.

The budget deal, which has already passed in the House, is expected to pass in the Senate Wednesday.