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[Samson]

Paul Ryan isn't a Democrat, and Daily Caller is as unbiased as Daily Kos.

Yeah what's up with that?

BTW: In October 2002, Murray was one of only 21 Democrats in the Senate to vote against the War Authoritization for invading Iraq.

The Daily Caller really had to dig to pretend this is a Democratic cut to Vet benefits:

Murray argued that adding more amendments would jeopardize the carefully crafted bill and noted that, given the two-year time frame Democrats and Republicans could continue to work together to find savings in the future.

Ryan is all in favor of letting the cuts stand.

Agreed.

A pretzel has less convoluted logic.

 

[Samson]

I'm with the OP and allow me to say that NO CONSERVATIVE cares for Paul Ryan.. he burnt his bridge with us long ago. Staying on topic with the FACTS, I too would like to know how anyone can square this??

Nice try.. you made the charge that we don't want real reforms and being that's patently false, just who are you referring to and do be specific.

I'm referring to conservatives that want to decrease government spending.

Are you referring to conservatives that want to increase government spending?

These would be what I would call "liberals."

I happen to agree with you on that.. Any so called conservative who wants to increase government spending is not a conservative. What does that have to do with taking care of our Veterans in uniform? I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this and why?

The cut in spending has nothing to do with active military "in Uniform."

I'll let Ryan explain:

"we start to make real reforms in these autopilot programs that are the drivers of our debt in the first place," Ryan said. One "autopilot" program, in his view, appears to be full COLAs for working-age military retirees.

"For younger military retirees, we trim their cost-of-living adjustment just a bit," explains a fact sheet released by Ryan's committee. "It's a modest reform for working-age military retirees."​

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

I'm referring to conservatives that want to decrease government spending.

Are you referring to conservatives that want to increase government spending?

These would be what I would call "liberals."

I happen to agree with you on that.. Any so called conservative who wants to increase government spending is not a conservative. What does that have to do with taking care of our Veterans in uniform? I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this and why?

I'll let Ryan explain:

"we start to make real reforms in these autopilot programs that are the drivers of our debt in the first place," Ryan said. One "autopilot" program, in his view, appears to be full COLAs for working-age military retirees.

"For younger military retirees, we trim their cost-of-living adjustment just a bit," explains a fact sheet released by Ryan's committee. "It's a modest reform for working-age military retirees."​

I didn't ask you to repeat once again what Paul Ryan said.. I asked you about the charge you made that Conservatives don't want real reforms regarding deficit spending.. and what that has to do with every Democrat blocked an amendment that would restore Veterans benefits

 

[House]

This is why you liberals are known as Zombies.. you don't think for yourselves, not ever. .. You support and defend your party even when American deaths take place.. I've never seen a group of politicians that can do no wrong but with the fringe left, that's exactly what we witness here day in and day out.

Conservatives are no better in that regard, Lady. I've talked to quite a few that refused to see the flaws in MANY downright unconstitutional & treasonous activities by Republican presidents & house members.

Totally disagree with you.. I don't know of one Conservative who agree's with Bush or his policies and if someone does- they are not a true Conservative.. Conservatives pushed to get McDaniel elected going against the Establishment.. did the same in defeating Cantor.. We despise Karl Rove and the K STREET Elite.. So although your post sounds nice and politically correct it's factually incorrect.

You don't, do you? I guess you think TPA got passed purely by executive order, then?

Well, it didn't, and everybody that voted in support of it is just as guilty as Bush. As are the "true conservatives" that continue to keep them in office.

And that's just his most egregious act of treason against the US people, not the only one.

 

[Peach]

I'm referring to conservatives that want to decrease government spending.

Are you referring to conservatives that want to increase government spending?

These would be what I would call "liberals."

I happen to agree with you on that.. Any so called conservative who wants to increase government spending is not a conservative. What does that have to do with taking care of our Veterans in uniform? I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this and why?

I'll let Ryan explain:

"we start to make real reforms in these autopilot programs that are the drivers of our debt in the first place," Ryan said. One "autopilot" program, in his view, appears to be full COLAs for working-age military retirees.

"For younger military retirees, we trim their cost-of-living adjustment just a bit," explains a fact sheet released by Ryan's committee. "It's a modest reform for working-age military retirees."​

Exactly, though Ryan later voting against spending increases to meet his own budget:

Paul Ryan Votes Against Spending Needed For Own Budget

What possessed a decent, intelligent man like Romney to select this loose cannon in 2012?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Conservatives are no better in that regard, Lady. I've talked to quite a few that refused to see the flaws in MANY downright unconstitutional & treasonous activities by Republican presidents & house members.

Totally disagree with you.. I don't know of one Conservative who agree's with Bush or his policies and if someone does- they are not a true Conservative.. Conservatives pushed to get McDaniel elected going against the Establishment.. did the same in defeating Cantor.. We despise Karl Rove and the K STREET Elite.. So although your post sounds nice and politically correct it's factually incorrect.

You don't, do you? I guess you think TPA got passed purely by executive order, then?

Well, it didn't, and everybody that voted in support of it is just as guilty as Bush. As are the "true conservatives" that continue to keep them in office.

And that's just his most egregious act of treason against the US people, not the only one.

I couldn't agree more.. I don't support the Patriot Act and never have.

 

[Samson]

I happen to agree with you on that.. Any so called conservative who wants to increase government spending is not a conservative. What does that have to do with taking care of our Veterans in uniform? I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this and why?

I'll let Ryan explain:

"we start to make real reforms in these autopilot programs that are the drivers of our debt in the first place," Ryan said. One "autopilot" program, in his view, appears to be full COLAs for working-age military retirees.

"For younger military retirees, we trim their cost-of-living adjustment just a bit," explains a fact sheet released by Ryan's committee. "It's a modest reform for working-age military retirees."​

I didn't ask you to repeat once again what Paul Ryan said.. I asked you about the charge you made that Conservatives don't want real reforms regarding deficit spending.. and what that has to do with every Democrat voting for this shitty bill???

Jeeze.......

A. Conservatives want to DECREASE deficite spending, Right?

B. Ryan, a REPUBLICAN, co-authored a bill to DECREASE DEFICITE SPENDING.

As a CONSERVATIVE, how can you not agree with the bill?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

I happen to agree with you on that.. Any so called conservative who wants to increase government spending is not a conservative. What does that have to do with taking care of our Veterans in uniform? I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this and why?

I'll let Ryan explain:

"we start to make real reforms in these autopilot programs that are the drivers of our debt in the first place," Ryan said. One "autopilot" program, in his view, appears to be full COLAs for working-age military retirees.

"For younger military retirees, we trim their cost-of-living adjustment just a bit," explains a fact sheet released by Ryan's committee. "It's a modest reform for working-age military retirees."​

Exactly, though Ryan later voting against spending increases to meet his own budget:

Paul Ryan Votes Against Spending Needed For Own Budget

What possessed a decent, intelligent man like Romney to select this loose cannon in 2012?

Who are you to sit in this ******* thread and pretend any kind of rational thought process when just yesterday you ran from a thread showing Hillary Clinton's lies on her 58 million dollar speaking fees when she claimed to be "dead broke" and instead of calling her out on the lie you worshipped the biatch for taking advantage of tax loop holes, something you liberals normally despise.

 

[Samson]

I happen to agree with you on that.. Any so called conservative who wants to increase government spending is not a conservative. What does that have to do with taking care of our Veterans in uniform? I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this and why?

I'll let Ryan explain:

"we start to make real reforms in these autopilot programs that are the drivers of our debt in the first place," Ryan said. One "autopilot" program, in his view, appears to be full COLAs for working-age military retirees.

"For younger military retirees, we trim their cost-of-living adjustment just a bit," explains a fact sheet released by Ryan's committee. "It's a modest reform for working-age military retirees."​

Exactly, though Ryan later voting against spending increases to meet his own budget:

Paul Ryan Votes Against Spending Needed For Own Budget

What possessed a decent, intelligent man like Romney to select this loose cannon in 2012?

I can imagine how a politician that would vote against his own pork would be cause for concern among Big Government Spenders.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

I'll let Ryan explain:

"we start to make real reforms in these autopilot programs that are the drivers of our debt in the first place," Ryan said. One "autopilot" program, in his view, appears to be full COLAs for working-age military retirees.

"For younger military retirees, we trim their cost-of-living adjustment just a bit," explains a fact sheet released by Ryan's committee. "It's a modest reform for working-age military retirees."​

I didn't ask you to repeat once again what Paul Ryan said.. I asked you about the charge you made that Conservatives don't want real reforms regarding deficit spending.. and what that has to do with every Democrat voting for this shitty bill???

Jeeze.......

A. Conservatives want to DECREASE deficite spending, Right?

B. Ryan, a REPUBLICAN, co-authored a bill to DECREASE DEFICITE SPENDING.

As a CONSERVATIVE, how can you not agree with the bill?

I will never agree with any bill that harms the very people who gave your ass the freedom to spew your BS in this thread in the first place.. find the ******* cuts to authorize what our Veterans need in ******* Corporate welfare programs, etc.. but NOT ever on the backs of America's veterans.

 

[Samson]

I didn't ask you to repeat once again what Paul Ryan said.. I asked you about the charge you made that Conservatives don't want real reforms regarding deficit spending.. and what that has to do with every Democrat voting for this shitty bill???

Jeeze.......

A. Conservatives want to DECREASE deficite spending, Right?

B. Ryan, a REPUBLICAN, co-authored a bill to DECREASE DEFICITE SPENDING.

As a CONSERVATIVE, how can you not agree with the bill?

I will never agree with any bill that harms the very people who gave your ass the freedom to spew your BS in this thread in the first place.. find the ******* cuts to authorize what our Veterans need in ******* Corporate welfare programs, etc.. but NOT ever on the backs of America's veterans.

Ah, I see.

Conservative, as long as it doesn't interfere with programs you cherry pick.



How convenient.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Jeeze.......

A. Conservatives want to DECREASE deficite spending, Right?

B. Ryan, a REPUBLICAN, co-authored a bill to DECREASE DEFICITE SPENDING.

As a CONSERVATIVE, how can you not agree with the bill?

I will never agree with any bill that harms the very people who gave your ass the freedom to spew your BS in this thread in the first place.. find the ******* cuts to authorize what our Veterans need in ******* Corporate welfare programs, etc.. but NOT ever on the backs of America's veterans.

Ah, I see.

Conservative, as long as it doesn't interfere with programs you cherry pick.



How convenient.

How liberal of you.. Americans should ALWAYS "cherry pick" the welfare of those who die in your place and mine.. It's a price that can never be repaid.. it is the least we can do to live up to what these men and women were promised.

 

[House]

If Paul Ryan wants to cut military spending, he should consider advocating the closure of foreign military bases the US has no modern need for and act as little more than vacation spots.

I don't think Germany, Japan, Australia (SERIOUSLY?), or the UK are a threat to our national security. Shutting them down and reallocating those personnel and resources to other tasks instead of requisitioning yet more would save a mint.

Unless we're worried about being bombed with shrimps on the bah-bee, of course.

(Note, I did not even come close to listing ALL overseas bases, nor even the most tactically advantageous ones for the ME issues that are the focus of world tension)

 

[Samson]

I will never agree with any bill that harms the very people who gave your ass the freedom to spew your BS in this thread in the first place.. find the ******* cuts to authorize what our Veterans need in ******* Corporate welfare programs, etc.. but NOT ever on the backs of America's veterans.

Ah, I see.

Conservative, as long as it doesn't interfere with programs you cherry pick.



How convenient.

How liberal of you.. Americans should ALWAYS "cherry pick" the welfare of those who die in your place and mine.. It's a price that can never be repaid.. it is the least we can do to live up to what these men and women were promised.

Equivocate however you want. Spending cuts will be painful.

Washington is suffering from a spending addiction. For years, both Democrats and Republicans have increased federal spending and approved debt limit increases without regard for the consequences. At a $17 trillion national debt, our country is on the verge of a fiscal crisis, and unless we get our deficit under control, the American people will pay the price for Washington’s reckless spending spree.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

If Paul Ryan wants to cut military spending, he should consider advocating the closure of foreign military bases the US has no modern need for and act as little more than vacation spots.

I don't think Germany, Japan, Australia (SERIOUSLY?), or the UK are a threat to our national security. Shutting them down and reallocating those personnel and resources to other tasks instead of requisitioning yet more would save a mint.

Unless we're worried about being bombed with shrimps on the bah-bee, of course.

(Note, I did not even come close to listing ALL overseas bases, nor even the most tactically advantageous ones for the ME issues that are the focus of world tension)

Totally concur.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Ah, I see.

Conservative, as long as it doesn't interfere with programs you cherry pick.



How convenient.

How liberal of you.. Americans should ALWAYS "cherry pick" the welfare of those who die in your place and mine.. It's a price that can never be repaid.. it is the least we can do to live up to what these men and women were promised.

Equivocate however you want. Spending cuts will be painful.

Washington is suffering from a spending addiction. For years, both Democrats and Republicans have increased federal spending and approved debt limit increases without regard for the consequences. At a $17 trillion national debt, our country is on the verge of a fiscal crisis, and unless we get our deficit under control, the American people will pay the price for Washington’s reckless spending spree.

I agree with you.. but I can't see it on the back of our Veterans when it comes to their personal care. I'm with House.. close those ******* bases outside of American soil which we have no business in being in the first place.

 

[Samson]

If Paul Ryan wants to cut military spending, he should consider advocating the closure of foreign military bases the US has no modern need for and act as little more than vacation spots.

I don't think Germany, Japan, Australia (SERIOUSLY?), or the UK are a threat to our national security. Shutting them down and reallocating those personnel and resources to other tasks instead of requisitioning yet more would save a mint.

Unless we're worried about being bombed with shrimps on the bah-bee, of course.

(Note, I did not even come close to listing ALL overseas bases, nor even the most tactically advantageous ones for the ME issues that are the focus of world tension)

How do you know Ryan has not also considered closure of foreign military bases?


A reference would be helpful.

 

[House]

If Paul Ryan wants to cut military spending, he should consider advocating the closure of foreign military bases the US has no modern need for and act as little more than vacation spots.

I don't think Germany, Japan, Australia (SERIOUSLY?), or the UK are a threat to our national security. Shutting them down and reallocating those personnel and resources to other tasks instead of requisitioning yet more would save a mint.

Unless we're worried about being bombed with shrimps on the bah-bee, of course.

(Note, I did not even come close to listing ALL overseas bases, nor even the most tactically advantageous ones for the ME issues that are the focus of world tension)

How do you know Ryan has not also considered closure of foreign military bases?


A reference would be helpful.

Silly illogical lib, you can't prove a negative. If you want to debate with any credibility at all, show me where he has.

 

[Kosh]

Ah, I see.

Conservative, as long as it doesn't interfere with programs you cherry pick.



How convenient.

How liberal of you.. Americans should ALWAYS "cherry pick" the welfare of those who die in your place and mine.. It's a price that can never be repaid.. it is the least we can do to live up to what these men and women were promised.

Equivocate however you want. Spending cuts will be painful.

Washington is suffering from a spending addiction. For years, both Democrats and Republicans have increased federal spending and approved debt limit increases without regard for the consequences. At a $17 trillion national debt, our country is on the verge of a fiscal crisis, and unless we get our deficit under control, the American people will pay the price for Washington’s reckless spending spree.

To bad that those that are so partisan on the left like this poster can not understand the differences in what the US is supposed to be spending money on.

The defense of this nation (and taking care of those who defend it) is a part of the constitution. Taking care of illegals is not.

Pretty simple for one that does reside in any areas of the extreme left.

Conservatives are for limited government, but only a partisan hack would try and say otherwise.

 

[KNB]

Why are cuts to veterans' benefits part of the Conservative budget proposal?