Democratic Socialism - It's democracy stupid

[dblack]

People get all tangled up in the equivocation around the term "socialism", but in my view the most dangerous view of the left is their blind commitment to "democracy" as the answer to all things.

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.

www.dsausa.org

It's right there on their calling card: "Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically"

"The economy and society" is pretty much everything. They want every single aspect of our lives subjected to majority rule. No thanks.

Neither the economy nor society should be run democratically. Government should be run democratically, but government should run neither the economy nor society. Government should keep the peace, manage the commons and protect the freedom of We the People to run the economy and society voluntarily and collaboratively, without resorting to coercive state mandates.

 

[Oddball]

"Democratic socialism".....As though adding the modifier "chocolate covered" to "dog turd" changes a chunk of shit into a Snickers bar.

 

[dblack]

I'm kind of wondering how many people here agree with the statement: "both the economy and society should be run democratically". I'm betting most libs don't even see it as a controversial goal.

 

[Votto]

People get all tangled up in the equivocation around the term "socialism", but in my view the most dangerous view of the left is their blind commitment to "democracy" as the answer to all things.

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.

www.dsausa.org

It's right there on their calling card: "Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically"

"The economy and society" is pretty much everything. They want every single aspect of our lives subjected to majority rule. No thanks.

Neither the economy nor society should be run democratically. Government should be run democratically, but government should run neither the economy nor society. Government should keep the peace, manage the commons and protect the freedom of We the People to run the economy and society voluntarily and collaboratively, without resorting to coercive state mandates.

They are not committed to democracy in any way.

For example, 71% of Americans think that America is on the wrong path

Do democrats care?

No. They will continue what they are doing anyway.

No, the real issue is that democrats have perfected controlling the media and academia to propagandize for votes, and recently we have seen the power of ballot harvesting.

That is all this is.

 

[dblack]

They are not committed to democracy in any way.

I hope you're right. Democracy sucks.

For example, 71% of Americans think that America is on the wrong path

Do you think government should do whatever the 71% wants?

No, the real issue is that democrats have perfected controlling the media and academia to propagandize for votes, and recently we have seen the power of ballot harvesting.

LOL #StopTheSqueal - there are plenty of threads whining about that.

 

[Oddball]

I'm kind of wondering how many people here agree with the statement: "both the economy and society should be run democratically". I'm betting most libs don't even see it as a controversial goal.

You cannot "run" an economy any more than you can "run" the weather.....In fact, the capricious and subjective whims of people acting under the rubric of the economy are worse than weather.

But there will never be an end to the totalitarians, acting under the disingenuous airs of "good intentions", telling us that economies can be centrally controlled and directed.

 

[Votto]

I hope you're right. Democracy sucks.

Do you think government should do whatever the 71% wants?

LOL #StopTheSqueal - there are plenty of threads whining about that.

Merely pointing out that democracy is simply a tool for them, and they will love it so long as they feel they can use to to keep their power.

 

[Oddball]

Do you think government should do whatever the 71% wants?

That's not what he meant.....Try re-reading that for comprehension.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

They are not committed to democracy in any way.

For example, 71% of Americans think that America is on the wrong path

Do democrats care?

No. They will continue what they are doing anyway.

No, the real issue is that democrats have perfected controlling the media and academia to propagandize for votes, and recently we have seen the power of ballot harvesting.

That is all this is.

Is America on the right/wrong path? Is America headed in the right direction or not?
Generic poll questions that are as completely useless today as they were four decades ago.
Given the fact that most American voters wouldn't know the ins and outs of policy issues or
even know how our system of government works at a bare minimum.

 

[22lcidw]

Is America on the right/wrong path? Is America headed in the right direction or not?
Generic poll questions that are as completely useless today as they were four decades ago.
Given the fact that most American voters wouldn't know the ins and outs of policy issues or
even know how our system of government works at a bare minimum.

Progressive Socialist fascism exists today though.

 

[dblack]

Merely pointing out that democracy is simply a tool for them, and they will love it so long as they feel they can use to to keep their power.

Agreed. But I'm attacking the unquestioned premise that enforcing the democratic will of the majority is the purpose of government. It's not.

 

[Votto]

You cannot "run" an economy any more than you can "run" the weather.....In fact, the capricious and subjective whims of people acting under the rubric of the economy are worse than weather.

But there will never be an end to the totalitarians, acting under the disingenuous airs of "good intentions", telling us that economies can be centrally controlled and directed.

The democrats can't control inflation but they expect us to believe that they can control the weather.

Crazy

 

[Donald H]

I'm kind of wondering how many people here agree with the statement: "both the economy and society should be run democratically". I'm betting most libs don't even see it as a controversial goal.

You will know that I've being saying just that ever since I joined this forum. But good for America if the conservative right now wants to claim it as theirs!

Explicitly, 'socially' responsible capitalism that serves the interests of the people.

 

[dblack]

You will know that I've being saying just that ever since I joined this forum.

So you agree with the claim that "both the economy and society should be run democratically"?

But good for America if the conservative right now wants to claim it as theirs!

Huh? Claim what? You seem to be confused.

 

[Independentthinker]

People get all tangled up in the equivocation around the term "socialism", but in my view the most dangerous view of the left is their blind commitment to "democracy" as the answer to all things.

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.

www.dsausa.org

It's right there on their calling card: "Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically"

"The economy and society" is pretty much everything. They want every single aspect of our lives subjected to majority rule. No thanks.

Neither the economy nor society should be run democratically. Government should be run democratically, but government should run neither the economy nor society. Government should keep the peace, manage the commons and protect the freedom of We the People to run the economy and society voluntarily and collaboratively, without resorting to coercive state mandates.

In the end, there is no such thing as Democratic Socialism. If the left actually thought about it, they claim that democracy in our country was almost taken away by Trump & Co and that we were perilously close to Trump turning the country into a dictatorship. Let's assume that is all 100% true. The Democratic Socialists want to give government total control over the economy and society. That is their goal. And if they have the presidency, the House, and the Senate, if Manchin and Sinema would just play along, they could get rid of the filibuster and pass any and all laws they wanted, cementing total and complete control over the country forever, AKA a dictatorship. No one could stop them.

 

[Votto]

Is America on the right/wrong path? Is America headed in the right direction or not?
Generic poll questions that are as completely useless today as they were four decades ago.
Given the fact that most American voters wouldn't know the ins and outs of policy issues or
even know how our system of government works at a bare minimum.

Here is some more

78% of Americans want term limits for Congress

Fox News Poll: 78 Percent Favor Term Limits On Congress

Finally, an issue both Democrats and Republicans agree on: term limits. Nearly 8 in 10 American voters like the idea of imposing fixed time limits in office for all members of Congress -- including their own senators and representatives.

www.foxnews.com

65% of Americans want a balanced budget for Congress

Poll: Large majority support balanced budget amendment to Constitution

According to a recent Mason-Dixon poll obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller, a large majority of the public backs an amendment to the Constitution requiring a balanced budget, a reform some lawmakers say is on the table in the debt ceiling debate.

news.yahoo.com

Just some more useless information about voters whose desires will never see the light of day

Just to amuse you is all.

In fact, Congressional approval has pretty much been abysmal since the dawn of time

Congress and the Public

Do you approve or disapprove of the way [ROTATED -- The Republicans in Congress. The Democrats in Congress.] are handling their job? Do you approve or disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job?

news.gallup.com

That is our "democracy" that the DNC wants to preserve

 

[Donald H]

Socialist policy and socialism play a necessary part in all democracies.

The difference between America and the world's leading democracies is that 'socialist' policies are too little in America. The health care system is the glaring example, but it's just one inadequacy among many.

Trump led the working class to wake up and take action to demand more, but Jan.6 and Trump failed the faithful. Maybe next time!

Trump could be ready and waiting to doublecross his very wealthy benefactors?

 

[Votto]

Socialist policy and socialism play a necessary part in all democracies.

The difference between America and the world's leading democracies is that 'socialist' policies are too little in America. The health care system is the glaring example, but it's just one inadequacy among many.

Trump led the working class to wake up and take action to demand more, but Jan.6 and Trump failed the faithful. Maybe next time!

Trump could be ready and waiting to doublecross his very wealthy benefactors?

You mean like in Nazi Germany where the National socialists had government run health care?
Yea, works great.

 

[dblack]

Trump led the working class to wake up and take action to demand more, but Jan.6 and Trump failed the faithful. Maybe next time!

Deeply confused

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I'm kind of wondering how many people here agree with the statement: "both the economy and society should be run democratically". I'm betting most libs don't even see it as a controversial goal.

Think about that level of hell.

If >50% think you should have all your property taken and your head removed from your body.....