Zone1 Agnostics: Are you seekers of or indifferent to God?

[The Sage of Main Street]

I can try Ding

Genesis as the story of Adam and Eve in Eden , basically God's first man & wife.

This is metaphorical for soul or spirit becoming incarnate

They became aware that incarnation has it's needs , even desires, aware of 'self' per se'

This was the snake, the apple , that man would exist in the material world with all seven deadlies and not corrupt his spirit

~S~

Scheherazade

The wife of the author of Genesis cheated on him after making him her sex slave.

 

[ding]

The seven deadlies are hard to miss Ding


the fact that they would prostitute any of them for their own selfish gains

~S~

You mean the seven deadlies taught by religion? That's just controlling you through fear, right? That's just them prostituting themselves for their own selfish gain, right? It's not real, right?

So I am still wondering why you don't just chase satisfaction of material needs and primitive impulses. What would be wrong with chasing that?

 

[sparky]

Scheherazade

hadda look that one up Sage....

That's just them prostituting themselves for their own selfish gain, right? It's not real, right?

You tell me Ding>

Matthew 19:24 - The Rich Young Man

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

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English Standard Version
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

So I am still wondering why you don't just chase satisfaction of material needs and primitive impulses. What would be wrong with chasing that?

because that is what your devil wishes we do Ding
~S~

 

[ding]

You tell me Ding>

My opinion on religion is that it is a tool which can be used for good or evil but that overall religion has been a force for good. I do not hold the same views as you with regard to religion.

Now it's your turn. Because you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't argue the 7 deadly sins are why people should not chase material satisfaction and bash religion for using the 7 deadly sins as tools to control people through fear.

 

[ding]

because that is what your devil wishes we do Ding

And you know this how?

 

[sparky]

You can't argue the 7 deadly sins are why people should not chase material satisfaction and bash religion for using the 7 deadly sins as tools to control people through fear.

yet that is exactly what religious org's do Ding.....~S~

 

[sparky]

And you know this how?

Genesis

~S~

 

[ding]

yet that is exactly what religious org's do Ding.....~S~

Ok, then maybe go back and answer the question I asked without using the 7 deadly sins as a reason to not live your life chasing material satisfaction and pleasure.

 

[ding]

Genesis

~S~

But that's religion being used to control you, right?

 

[sparky]

But that's religion being used to control you, right?

more the blueprint for them to use it as control Ding

any soul achieving physical incarnation knows only want need and desire out of the womb

Michael and his cohorts forwarded the notion this would be why we would be created in 'His image' only in Genesis

Which is why they got the boot.....

That said, in the end of the book, He (our creator) is allegedly returning to exile him from any earthly activity , which is a rather fascist move imho

All of this orbits the physical existence

~S~

 

[ding]

more the blueprint for them to use it as control Ding

any soul achieving physical incarnation knows only want need and desire out of the womb

Michael and his cohorts forwarded the notion this would be why we would be created in 'His image' only in Genesis

Which is why they got the boot.....

That said, in the end of the book, He (our creator) is allegedly returning to exile him from any earthly activity , which is a rather fascist move imho

All of this orbits the physical existence

~S~

I think you are reading way too much into that. I also think you are wrong about organized religion. You've only lived in a world where religion existed. If you want to see what it would be like in a world without religion, you don't have to wonder. The 20th century had plenty of examples of nations ran by militant atheists.

Why don't you sleep on my question... why not live a life of pursuit of material satisfaction and get back to me when you get a chance. It's not only a fair question but an important one as well. There's a really simple answer and it has nothing to do with anything written in Genesis. You should be able to answer it based upon your own experiences, but maybe not.

 

[sparky]

Why don't you sleep on my question... why not live a life of pursuit of material satisfaction and get back to me when you get a chance.

i have Ding , i can not help if you either don't understand, or won't accept my answer.......~S~

 

[ding]

i have Ding , i can not help if you either don't understand, or won't accept my answer.......~S~

I don't understand it. It makes no sense to me why you would even quote scripture to answer that question.

BTW if your answer was don't lead a life pursuing fame, fortune, power or pleasure if you want to get into heaven, that's the wrong answer.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The 'human construct' you know is nowhere close to the reality of God. The 'complexities of life' are the true human construct--quite possibly designed to avoid the reality of God.

Not at all.

"God" gives humans things they need or want. God hates killing, but doesn't give a damn if you kill animals. Well, how convenient is that?

 

[frigidweirdo]

What else do kids find boring and "pointless"? Dusting, making beds, washing dishes, some school subjects--just about anything that takes one from childhood play. All of these--including church--often are viewed best with hindsight.

Actually I'd say less than often. Many people are turning away from religion these days.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Religion isn't about coping with life; it's about living and embracing life and all its complexities.

Some people use fire to commit arson which is a poor argument for doing away with fire. Just as the greater percentage of people avoid those who misuse fire, the greater percentage of people avoid those who misuse religion. Fire has formed some of the best, most beautiful artwork and the best glass in this world. It has also been set to burn down libraries. This is also true of religion.

How can you live life if you're not coping with it?

Many people can't cope and they turn to religion. Other people are born into a religion because their family members before them needed some mechanism.

I didn't say we should do away with religion.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Abolitionists hated the White working class. They caused a war for the union of states but were economically anti-union.

what single word is there for what is stated to be diametrically the very opposite of recorded history -

they did hate with cause - religion, did not create the civil war and to the fullest extent were for the union and prosperity ... they reflected the true heavenly events of the 1st century.

 

[Meriweather]

"God" gives humans things they need or want. God hates killing, but doesn't give a damn if you kill animals. Well, how convenient is that?

Most likely as convenient as killing carrots, tomatoes, and cucumbers.

 

[Meriweather]

Actually I'd say less than often. Many people are turning away from religion these days.

Not to mention all those who contribute to the recent upswing in Bible sales.

 

[Meriweather]

Many people can't cope and they turn to religion.

"Can't cope"--an interesting approach to looking at life. Those who are married: Can't cope without a spouse. Those who live alone: Can't cope with spouse or roommate. Those who belong to a religion: Can't cope without God. Those who do not belong to a religion: Can't cope with the discipline of religion.

This can go on and on. My spouse cannot cope without breakfast. I cannot cope with that early morning meal. Some people cannot cope with a messy house so they clean and straighten. Some cannot cope with cleaning and straightening so they live in a messy house.