Zone1 Agnostics: Are you seekers of or indifferent to God?

[frigidweirdo]

"Can't cope"--an interesting approach to looking at life. Those who are married: Can't cope without a spouse. Those who live alone: Can't cope with spouse or roommate. Those who belong to a religion: Can't cope without God. Those who do not belong to a religion: Can't cope with the discipline of religion.

This can go on and on. My spouse cannot cope without breakfast. I cannot cope with that early morning meal. Some people cannot cope with a messy house so they clean and straighten. Some cannot cope with cleaning and straightening so they live in a messy house.

Three answers and I can't be bothered to reply to any of them. I don't think you're being sensible when answering. So what's the point in continuing this conversation?

 

[sparky]

I don't understand it. It makes no sense to me why you would even quote scripture to answer that question.

BTW if your answer was don't lead a life pursuing fame, fortune, power or pleasure if you want to get into heaven, that's the wrong answer.

Religion provides the glaring hypocrisy of it's own doctrine Ding

The OP asks why Agnostic's are seekers and/or indifferent, and i've posted the best example to it here

We can further view 'Thou shall not Kill' to the world's theocracies , who continue to do so in the 'name of God'

And as such, cultivate further agnosticism ,if not separate cults

This isn't anything new either........~S~

 

[Meriweather]

Three answers and I can't be bothered to reply to any of them. I don't think you're being sensible when answering. So what's the point in continuing this conversation?

We agree! I couldn't see any reason to converse about God/religion/faith being used as a coping mechanism.

 

[Meriweather]

Religion provides the glaring hypocrisy of it's own doctrine Ding

The OP asks why Agnostic's are seekers and/or indifferent, and i've posted the best example to it here

We can further view 'Thou shall not Kill' to the world's theocracies , who continue to do so in the 'name of God'

And as such, cultivate further agnosticism ,if not separate cults

This isn't anything new either........~S~

Let's use an analogy of someone living in a clean house. The glaring hypocrisy of this is that the very act of cleaning house exposes the glaring hypocrisy that we are actually living in a dirty house.

The problem with declaring one is killing in the name of God brings forth the need and the reality that we are not to take the Lord's name in vain. God provides us with life, not death. The answer is not to give up on religion any more than we give up cleaning house. The answer is to clean and to stop using the Lord's name in vain causes.

The trouble with agnosticism is that it is like not bothering to clean house because cleaning will only expose dirt.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We agree! I couldn't see any reason to converse about God/religion/faith being used as a coping mechanism.

Then why ask the question about what other people think in the first place if you're going to just dismiss what everyone says that doesn't fit with your view of things?

 

[ding]

Religion provides the glaring hypocrisy of it's own doctrine Ding

The OP asks why Agnostic's are seekers and/or indifferent, and i've posted the best example to it here

We can further view 'Thou shall not Kill' to the world's theocracies , who continue to do so in the 'name of God'

And as such, cultivate further agnosticism ,if not separate cults

This isn't anything new either........~S~

You are only looking at half the picture when you say "Religion provides the glaring hypocrisy of it's own doctrine." Not too mention you probably got even that wrong.

 

[Meriweather]

Then why ask the question about what other people think in the first place if you're going to just dismiss what everyone says that doesn't fit with your view of things?

Holding a different perspective is not dismissing your perspective. Now you might only use religion/God as a coping mechanism. I merely pointed out that many--even most--believers do not use God as a coping mechanism any more than all people use having a spouse, friends, pets, etc. as a coping mechanism. I think there are room for both opinions in this thread, don't you?

 

[sparky]

The trouble with agnosticism is that it is like not bothering to clean house because cleaning will only expose dirt.

the trouble is, the dirt is winning Meri.....~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

Holding a different perspective is not dismissing your perspective. Now you might only use religion/God as a coping mechanism. I merely pointed out that many--even most--believers do not use God as a coping mechanism any more than all people use having a spouse, friends, pets, etc. as a coping mechanism. I think there are room for both opinions in this thread, don't you?

You literally said "I see no point in talking about what you're talking about".

 

[sparky]

You literally said "I see no point in talking about what you're talking about".

Fundamentalism is raft with denial frigid one

These same folks that want us to believe in God will never admit they're more in league with Satan than Him

The wisdom of Paul Harvey , from the wayback machine>>>>



~S~

 

[Meriweather]

the trouble is, the dirt is winning Meri.....~S~

Just when were you in my house!? I did the best I could prior to Thanksgiving!

More seriously: We might see the dirt winning in all political arenas. Where dirt is not winning is in most individual, every day lives.

 

[Meriweather]

You literally said "I see no point in talking about what you're talking about".

No. Literally, I said:

We agree! I couldn't see any reason to converse about God/religion/faith being used as a coping mechanism.

The word "You" wasn't even there...and I was speaking of a very specific point.

 

[sparky]

More seriously: We might see the dirt winning in all political arenas. Where dirt is not winning is in most individual, every day lives.

Well that's the problem, the church went political long ago Meri....~S~

 

[Meriweather]

Well that's the problem, the church went political long ago Meri....~S~

Are you speaking of the Vatican? Our parish churches are not political, and they are the ones that work with everyday people, not political people.

 

[PeterPilot]

Do you care if God exists? Have you actively sought God, and if so, in what ways did/do you seek? If you do not care whether or not God exists, what led to that lack of caring?

My relationship with God is always ongoing. The thing is to have that relationship I do not need organized religion as humans practice them. I don't need a church to be with God, and I sure as hell don't need a priest for my relationship to flourish. I commune best with God when I'm out in nature, at the beach or in the beautiful mountains.

 

[Meriweather]

My relationship with God is always ongoing. The thing is to have that relationship I do not need organized religion as humans practice them. I don't need a church to be with God, and I sure as hell don't need a priest for my relationship to flourish. I commune best with God when I'm out in nature, at the beach or in the beautiful mountains.

Offered reflections: Yes, relationships with anyone, especially God, are always ongoing, definitely not static. "Organized religion" became a cliche long ago and its meaningless. An analogy: We don't need a recipe in order to eat. The apple eaten straight off the tree will suffice. Nor do we need other people around the table in order to eat, and we certainly don't need someone at the head of the table in order nourish oneself.

We are encouraged to pray always, and sometimes that may be sitting beside a hospital bed; sometimes in church, sometimes in nature. Excusing oneself from praying until one has the "best" might mean losing other opportunities.

 

[ding]

These same folks that want us to believe in God will never admit they're more in league with Satan than Him

I've yet to see anyone do evil for the sake of evil. No one is all good or all bad. I don't believe you are seeing the full picture.

 

[ding]

Are you speaking of the Vatican? Our parish churches are not political, and they are the ones that work with everyday people, not political people.

A good parallel would be the military. Anyone below the rank of general got there on merit. The politics occur at the general level because that's where policy is made. Hence it is naturally political.

What I said earlier applies to politicians, generals, bishops, popes, etc., no one is all good or all bad. When I see broadbrushed strokes about any class of people I shake my head because that's not objective and can easily be proven incorrect.

Your point is part of that winning argument. Not because it is cleverly disingenuous but because it is true. And truth will always win out... eventually.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

hadda look that one up Sage....

You tell me Ding>

Matthew 19:24 - The Rich Young Man

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

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English Standard Version
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

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because that is what your devil wishes we do Ding
~S~

Ka-ching, Ka-ching for the "King of Kings"

 

[sparky]

Are you speaking of the Vatican? Our parish churches are not political, and they are the ones that work with everyday people, not political people.

I would say the Vatican is the head of the genesis snake Meri

not all under it's dominion will admit following in lockstep

but then , we're delving into the whole Christian nation debate

or not.......

~S~