Democratic Socialism/Communism is the only solution to advanced automation & artificial intelligence.

[TruthNotBS]

Again, we're not talking about how we choose leaders. We're talking about the scope and power of government. You want the state to control trade and labor. I think that's (far) too much power to give to government and a fundamental violation of individual rights.

What you fail to recognize, what socialists ALWAYS ignore, is that an employer can't whip you if you don't abide. They can't imprison you, they can't send you off to a gulag etc ..., if you fail to do as you're told. All they can do is fire you.

A real slave would laugh, if not spit, in your face for making such an asinine claim.

That's true. Freedom is not without risk. Is that better, or worse, than being imprisoned in a gulag?

The government is controlled by the people in council communism. It's direct democracy, allowing citizens to elect their representatives at any time and recall them through a simple process. So when you say "government", you're referring to an administration that is under the heel of the working-class.

Employers are exploiters, who own the means of production (property that is used to exploit human beings for a profit). Those who work the business enterprise should own and run it together, democratically. Mass production is a social endeavor, it's not a private or personal one. It takes a team or community of workers, to produce the products and services that are being sold.

Wage-slavery is a form of slavery that isn't the same as chattel slavery. It has its distinctions, but it's still slavery. The institution of slavery is wrong, regardless of what type of slavery it is. Even the father of capitalism, Adam Smith, identified capitalist employers as "masters".

We have prisons here under capitalism that are worse than the gulag. The average sentence in the Gulag was seven years, and the maximum was 10. There are people incarcerated here in the US who are serving 1000-year sentences. Prisons here are brutal, just as bad, if not worse than the gulag. There are many capitalist-run countries, in Latin America, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, that have prisons that are orders of magnitude worse than a soviet gulag. Following your line of reasoning, we now have to reject capitalism, because there are really bad prisons in capitalist countries. your reasoning is shit. You're suffering from fuzzy-logic syndrome.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's obvious that the only true solution to the inevitable replacement of human wage-labor by advanced automation and artificial intelligence, is a marketless, non-profit, publicly owned, more democratic, centrally planned system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism. The billionaires see the writing on the wall:

​

No wage labor (or not enough of it) = No Paying Consumers (or not enough customers) = No Market (or not a large enough market worth investing in) = No Profits (not enough ROI) = No Capitalism (No Capitalists Making A Profit) = Socialism (non-profit, marketless production that doesn't rely on wages being paid to a labor force, that purchases products and services in a market).

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When production is fully or mostly automated, there's no more need for wage-labor or markets. Socialism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the successor of feudalism.

Americans due to decades of Cold War anti-socialist, capitalist propaganda, and brainwashing, are unable to accept this self-evident fact. It's mostly Americans over 50 years old, who have trouble coming to terms with this, not the younger generation. The Millenials are much more open to socialism and the Zoomers are the most socialist generation in American history.

The transition to a non-profit system of production is going to be much smoother in the near future, as boomers retire and the younger generation takes the helm.

It’s odd that the poster with the AI photo avatar is railing against AI

 

[Cellblock2429]

You're so stupid and delusional. I don't care where you go.

You Republican conservatives are always shouting "Commie! Commie!", when a Dem-"Progressive" (Who's not even really a leftist or socialist, much less a "commie"), is for universal Medicare, tuition-free college, funding social programs that help single mothers or the poor. You get triggered and start shouting "Commie!", yet all of those government policies are taken for granted in most modern, industrialized countries. They're considered normal.

The most successful economies at the moment (before the intelligent robots replace wages and we experience the inevitable "tech apocalypse"), that offer their citizens the highest standard of living are MIXED ECONOMIES. They don't place everything in the hands of a small group of multi-millionaires and billionaires. They offer their citizens free (at the point of service) healthcare, tuition-free college and vocational schooling, adequate housing..etc, not to speak of worker rights, that protect labor unions.

Only brain-dead shithead Americans like you support placing everything in the hands of billionaires and not providing public-social services to the public. All you right-wing conservatives do is serve your wealthy capitalist masters (privileged parasites) at the expense of the public good (The American people - 94% of them are of the WORKING CLASS).

So moron, you're telling me to go to a socialist "nanny state", somewhere in the world, as if the only socialist states that exist are those under American economic sanctions like Cuba, or North Korea. No shithead! Wake up! Most of the industrialized, modern world, is according to Republican rhetoric, COMMIE! Socialist countries are everywhere and they're doing well. America will also do well, when it is forced by necessity, to adopt democratic socialism.

When advanced automation and AI, begin to replace human wage labor, that is the end of capitalism. Practically ALL of the experts agree that advanced, 21st-century automation and AI, are going to eliminate most jobs, if not all of them, within the next 50 years. Within the next just 10 to 15 years at least half of jobs will be "deleted" by smart robots, requiring the government to bail out the capitalists with a monthly UBI or UI. If anyone needs a "nanny" it's these fucking capitalists.

You need to wake up and stop burying your head in the sand like an ostrich.

/——/ Gee, how do they get those doctors, staff, and educators to work for free?
Here’s an idea, get a job and pay your own way, you leech.

 

[TruthNotBS]

/——/ Gee, how do they get those doctors, staff, and educators to work for free?
Here’s an idea, get a job and pay your own way, you leech.

Who said they did, you idiot? You're the parasite, relying on the labor of others to make a profit. You're the true leech.

 

[sparky]

you peeps advocating this deserve it....

~S~

 

[TruthNotBS]

It’s odd that the poster with the AI photo avatar is railing against AI

I'm "railing against AI"? I'm for AI.

 

[sparky]

You're the parasite

how's about a little more truth & less BS pal

~S~

 

[TruthNotBS]

how's about a little more truth & less BS pal

~S~

How so? Are you now worshiping capitalists too? Your parasite masters, who live off of other people's labor?

 

[Cellblock2429]

/—-/ You’re a good little useful idiot.
BTW, millions are fleeing socialism utopia and are risking their lives to get to evil, greedy capitalism.
Explain that, Comrad.

 

[sparky]

How so? Are you now worshiping capitalists too? Your parasite masters, who live off of other people's labor?

wouldn't that be the definition of socialism BS?

my prob with you is, you got no game

everyone is handing you your a** in your own thread

you need to get over yourself

~S~

 

[Cellblock2429]

Who said they did, you idiot? You're the parasite, relying on the labor of others to make a profit. You're the true leech.

/—-/ You said free medical, and free tuition. Either those people work for free or the taxpayers picks up the tab. Which is it?

Who do I rely on to make a profit? You’re babbling nonsense.

 

[dblack]

The government is controlled by the people in council communism. It's direct democracy, allowing citizens to elect their representatives at any time and recall them through a simple process. So when you say "government", you're referring to an administration that is under the heel of the working-class.

Makes no difference whatsoever.

Wage-slavery is a form of slavery that isn't the same as chattel slavery. It has its distinctions, but it's still slavery.

Again, try telling that to a real slave.

In the meantime, I'm not going to let you call voluntary employment "slavery", of any form. That's a sick lie.

We have prisons here under capitalism that are worse than the gulag. The average sentence in the Gulag was seven years, and the maximum was 10. There are people incarcerated here in the US who are serving 1000-year sentences. Prisons here are brutal, just as bad, if not worse than the gulag. There are many capitalist-run countries, in Latin America, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, that have prisons that are orders of magnitude worse than a soviet gulag. Following your line of reasoning, we now have to reject capitalism, because there are really bad prisons in capitalist countries. your reasoning is shit. You're suffering from fuzzy-logic syndrome.

The point (that you're so afraid to acknowledge) is that only government can send you to prison. Employers can't do that. Unless the only employer IS the state. Then you're kinda fucked.

 

[TruthNotBS]

/—-/ You said free medical, and free tuition. Either those people work for free or the taxpayers picks up the tab. Which is it?

The taxpayer ends up paying more without universal healthcare, managed by the government. Duh. I said free at the point of service. Didn't you notice that? Free for the patient: AT THE POINT OF SERVICE. Dumbass.

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The point of what I said, is that Republicans consider all of these policies "socialism" when they are proposed here in the US, yet these same policies are found in practically all modern industrialized nations and even among many third-world countries, like Costa Rica. So, following the Republican standard of what is "socialism", all of these other countries are socialist, because they have many of these policies. More, how can these countries afford these policies but supposedly America can't? Your fuzzy logic is misleading you.

 

[TruthNotBS]

/—-/ You’re a good little useful idiot.
BTW, millions are fleeing socialism utopia and are risking their lives to get to evil, greedy capitalism.
Explain that, Comrad.

BS, only in your confused little brain. More, lift the sanctions and stop warmongering. Explain how you could be so dumb to use these types of arguments when the US bully empire is imposing brutal economic embargoes upon countries that outwardly identify as socialist. Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea. The US is the capitalist empire that controls the world's banking system and reserve world currency. All of the banks are under Washington's control.

How do you resolve the elimination of wages, as a capitalist, without socialism (non-profit production)? Explain that "genius".

 

[TruthNotBS]

wouldn't that be the definition of socialism BS?

my prob with you is, you got no game

everyone is handing you your a** in your own thread

you need to get over yourself

~S~

As a capitalist, how will you resolve the problem of the elimination of wage-labor by advanced automation and AI?

 

[Cellblock2429]

BS, only in your confused little brain. More, lift the sanctions and stop warmongering. Explain how you could be so dumb to use these types of arguments when the US bully empire is imposing brutal economic embargoes upon countries that outwardly identify as socialist. Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea. The US is the capitalist empire that controls the world's banking system and reserve world currency. All of the banks are under Washington's control.

How do you resolve the elimination of wages, as a capitalist, without socialism (non-profit production)? Explain that "genius".

/—-/ What products and services Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea need from the US that they can’t get from other socialist countries?
Go ahead, name them.

 

[dblack]

As a capitalist, how will you resolve the problem of the elimination of wage-labor by advanced automation and AI?

People are worried that AI will take everyone’s jobs. We’ve been here before.

In a 1938 article, MIT’s president argued that technical progress didn’t mean fewer jobs. He’s still right.

www.technologyreview.com

 

[TruthNotBS]

/—-/ What products and services Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea need from the US that they can’t get from other socialist countries?
Go ahead, name them.

You ignorant shithead. When a country like Cuba is sanctioned by the US empire, it becomes an economic and political leper. Are you aware that any cargo ship that anchors in Cuba, can't anchor at any American port for 180 days? Any bank around the world that does business with Cuba, is constantly inspected and fined to the tune of billions of dollars for violating American sanctions. Banks don't give Cuba lines of credit or provide it with any services.

The US can freeze Cuba's assets at any time. The US has hundreds of billions of dollars that belong to other nations that it is sanctioning, like Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Iran and Afghanistan. When you add up all of the money, it comes out to almost a trillion dollars in asset forfeiture. How the hell is anyone supposed to function economically, in the economic stage when the world's capitalist empire that controls the world's banks and currency, is on your back? When that 800-pound gorilla comes after you, you're in trouble.

 

[TruthNotBS]

People are worried that AI will take everyone’s jobs. We’ve been here before.

In a 1938 article, MIT’s president argued that technical progress didn’t mean fewer jobs. He’s still right.

www.technologyreview.com

I asked you to present here on the forum, on this thread your answer to my question. Adding a link isn't an answer that's a lazy cop-out bullshit "answer". What do you think this is a link war? I fire links at you, and then you fire links at me? I'm supposed to go chasing your links? Provide your answer here, or you're without one. It's that simple.

 

[Oddball]

It's obvious that the only true solution to the inevitable replacement of human wage-labor by advanced automation and artificial intelligence, is a marketless, non-profit, publicly owned, more democratic, centrally planned system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism. The billionaires see the writing on the wall:

​

No wage labor (or not enough of it) = No Paying Consumers (or not enough customers) = No Market (or not a large enough market worth investing in) = No Profits (not enough ROI) = No Capitalism (No Capitalists Making A Profit) = Socialism (non-profit, marketless production that doesn't rely on wages being paid to a labor force, that purchases products and services in a market).

Winit X Quicktron | World's largest Automated Bin-to-person Warehouse

Pizza-making robot makes its debut in Paris

Autonomous pizza delivery robot hits the road

Inside Amazon’s robot revolution​

When production is fully or mostly automated, there's no more need for wage-labor or markets. Socialism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the successor of feudalism.

Americans due to decades of Cold War anti-socialist, capitalist propaganda, and brainwashing, are unable to accept this self-evident fact. It's mostly Americans over 50 years old, who have trouble coming to terms with this, not the younger generation. The Millenials are much more open to socialism and the Zoomers are the most socialist generation in American history.

The transition to a non-profit system of production is going to be much smoother in the near future, as boomers retire and the younger generation takes the helm.