Democratic Socialism/Communism is the only solution to advanced automation & artificial intelligence.

[TruthNotBS]

Try business owner, and landlord.

Under capitalism, those who work the business should own it collectively and run it democratically. You're for tyranny in the workplace, where people spend most of their waking hours. Landlords are also freeloading parasites, collecting money off of other people's labor, without working themselves. You free-loading capitalists (you're not actually a capitalist, you're just a brainwashed, working-class bootlicking turd), should be stripped by society (the working-class, 94% of the population), of all of your private property (property used to exploit other human beings for a profit).

The only property permitted in society should be personal property (property for your personal use, not to exploit others for a profit).

 

[Vastator]

Under capitalism, those who work the business should own it collectively and run it democratically. You're for tyranny in the workplace, where people spend most of their waking hours. Landlords are also freeloading parasites, collecting money off of other people's labor, without working themselves. You free-loading capitalists (you're not actually a capitalist, you're just a brainwashed, working-class bootlicking turd), should be stripped by society (the working-class, 94% of the population), of all of your private property (property used to exploit other human beings for a profit).

The only property permitted in society should be personal property (property for your personal use, not to exploit others for a profit).

Under capitalism, those who work the business should own it collectively and run it democratically. You're for tyranny in the workplace, where people spend most of their waking hours. Landlords are also freeloading parasites, collecting money off of other people's labor, without working themselves. You free-loading capitalists (you're not actually a capitalist, you're just a brainwashed, working-class bootlicking turd), should be stripped by society (the working-class, 94% of the population), of all of your private property (property used to exploit other human beings for a profit).

The only property permitted in society should be personal property (property for your personal use, not to exploit others for a profit).

Nah. Build your own. Until then be greatful for your stipend in lieu of your labor. This worn out old trope that your base level employment at a company is what made the company successful to begin with is laughable. Talk about cart before the horse. It was another person's idea, sacrifice, risk taking and ultimately success per their customers that made them what they are. Which finally offers you an opportunity for employment.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Nah. Build your own. Until then be greatful for your stipend in lieu of your labor.

Labor builds all businesses and hence should own them collectively and run them democratically. You love totalitarianism and dictatorship, hence you defend your capitalist master like a bootlicking shithead. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence is going to eliminate wages and with that, capitalism will collapse, because without wage-labor, there's no paying consumer or market.

 

[Vastator]

Labor builds all businesses and hence should own them collectively and run them democratically. You love totalitarianism and dictatorship, hence you defend your capitalist master like a bootlicking shithead. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence is going to eliminate wages and with that, capitalism will collapse, because without wage-labor, there's no paying consumer or market.

Wrong. Labor is but a small part. Customer base is what sustains, and grows business. Build your own. Till then settle for the scraps from the table. Each employee at the lower levels is easily replaceable to the company, with little to no interruption to the company as a whole. The inverse is not true. The employees as a whole cannot easily replace their employer with little interruption. Know your role. Truly know it. It isn't what you wish it were...

 

[TruthNotBS]

Wrong. Labor is but a small part. Customer base is what sustains, and grows business. Build your own. Till then settle for the scraps from the table. Each employee at the lower levels is easily replaceable to the company, with little to no interruption to the company as a whole. The inverse is not true. The employees as a whole cannot easily replace their employer with little interruption. Know your role. Truly know it. It isn't what you wish it were...

The working class can easily replace their capitalist-parasite employers with a democratic government. The government can easily employ the working class, and take the profits of that business and deposit it in the public treasury, using the money for healthcare, education, paving roads, building and maintaining bridges..etc.

Labor is everything because it's what produces and delivers the goods and services to the marketplace. The parasite capitalists that you're defending are worthless middlemen, living off of other people's labor. Without employees/human wage labor, there aren't any paying consumers or markets, so you just proved my point. Labor is everything, not your capitalist freeloaders living off of other people's hard work.

 

[Vastator]

The working class can easily replace their capitalist-parasite employers with a democratic government. The government can easily employ the working class, and take the profits of that business and deposit it in the public treasury, using the money for healthcare, education, paving roads, building and maintaining bridges..etc.

Labor is everything because it's what produces and delivers the goods and services to the marketplace. The parasite capitalist that you're defending is a worthless middleman, living off of other people's labor. Without employees/human wage labor, there aren't any paying consumers or markets, so you just proved my point. Labor is everything, not your capitalist freeloaders living off of other people's hard work. The working class can easily replace their capitalist-parasite employers with a democratic government.

You are terribly misguided.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You are terribly misguided.

You have your head up your ass, that's why you can't think straight. Everything around you is produced by human wage-labor, and in the near future, advanced automation and artificial intelligence is going to replace most of that wage-labor, hence that's the end of capitalism. Without wages there's no paying consumer, profits or capitalism.

 

[dblack]

For fuck's sake, no. Majority rule is a horrible way to make decisions in society. It should only be tolerated when it's absolutely necessary that we all conform to the same course of action. Otherwise, give me liberty or give me death.

 

[TruthNotBS]

For fuck's sake, no. Majority rule is a horrible way to make decisions in society. It should only be tolerated when it's absolutely necessary that we all conform to the same course of action. Otherwise, give me liberty or give me death.

You want minority rule or the rule of a few wealthy capitalist parasites. I prefer the rule of the people, and the laws that are enacted by the majority. So it's the rule of the majority, yes indeed, but it's also the rule of law and of human rights. So if you're a minority, or hold a minority opinion, that doesn't give the majority the right to violate your human rights. Got that? You will always have human rights, which can't be violated, regardless of whether you hold a majority or not.

People like you who are always shouting "freedom!", have no problem with the fact that the workplace, which is the place where most Americans spend most of their waking hours, is run like a totalitarian regime. You don't care, that most Americans spend most of their lives in an environment, where they're told what to do like a slave. There's no democracy or "rule of the workers/people" in the capitalist workplace. You're find and dandy with that, but then complain about workers owning the workplace collectively and holding elections in the workplace.

 

[theHawk]

and socialism, a system of production that doesn't need wages and places the means of production in the hands of workers?

A system of production that doesn’t need wages? That’s slavery.

Communism takes away personal property as well. So you want us all to be slaves that earn nothing and own nothing. How is the “means of production” placed in the “hands of workers” if they can’t own it?

You are nothing but a walking contradiction. Just look at the old Soviet Union, who was all for “the workers”. What did they do to the farmers? They were persecuted, their lands confiscated, and those that resisted where shipped off to gulags, exiled, or just killed.

You’re an insane communist, who wants to go back to this system.

 

[theHawk]

or the rule of a few wealthy capitalist parasites.

As opposed to a singular wealthy socialist upper class or oligarch or communist state?

Every system of hierarchy is going to have the few that are wealthy, how can the majority be wealthier than everyone else?

The best way to allow wealth to be spread is by having a middle class, which communists loath because it gives too much political and economic power to the majority. A system where poor people can work their way into the middle class is the fairest, and that is best accomplished through capitalism. The only people that would “suffer” are bottom feeders like yourself that are too lazy to do work. The welfare class which acts as a leech on the taxpayers.

 

[theHawk]

There's no democracy or "rule of the workers/people" in the capitalist workplace.

But there is under a socialist/communist system? Where the state dictates to you where you can work, and no matter how hard you work you will never become rich or own anything? LOL you really are insane.

 

[theHawk]

That's not capitalism, that's religious communism. It has nothing to do with capitalism. There are several passages in the Bible, that are clearly socialistic, communist, not capitalist.

You're ignoring everything that I am saying, so from now on I'm not really talking to you, when I respond to your gobbledygook posts, I'm only responding for the sake of others, who are sincerely interested in this topic and still have a functioning brain

So why is it that communists hate Christianity so much then? No one persecutes Christians more than communists, save maybe Muslims. Communists throughout history have always been anti-Christs. So spare us the sermon. Christians want to eliminate poverty, and that is best accomplished through capitalism, with charity to those who still need help to eat and find shelter. There is not once instance of communism where millions didn’t suffer and starve to death within that system. Meanwhile nobody starves to death in Western, Christian and capitalist societies.

 

[Vastator]

You have your head up your ass, that's why you can't think straight. Everything around you is produced by human wage-labor, and in the near future, advanced automation and artificial intelligence is going to replace most of that wage-labor, hence that's the end of capitalism. Without wages there's no paying consumer, profits or capitalism.

Lol. More along the lines of people like me, will replace people like you with more reliable technology that doesn't snivel, and whine. The demand for product will remain.

 

[Vastator]

You want minority rule or the rule of a few wealthy capitalist parasites. I prefer the rule of the people, and the laws that are enacted by the majority. So it's the rule of the majority, yes indeed, but it's also the rule of law and of human rights. So if you're a minority, or hold a minority opinion, that doesn't give the majority the right to violate your human rights. Got that? You will always have human rights, which can't be violated, regardless of whether you hold a majority or not.

People like you who are always shouting "freedom!", have no problem with the fact that the workplace, which is the place where most Americans spend most of their waking hours, is run like a totalitarian regime. You don't care, that most Americans spend most of their lives in an environment, where they're told what to do like a slave. There's no democracy or "rule of the workers/people" in the capitalist workplace. You're find and dandy with that, but then complain about workers owning the workplace collectively and holding elections in the workplace.

Now you're talking out both sides of your mouth...

 

[dblack]

You want minority rule or the rule of a few wealthy capitalist parasites.

Nope. The alternative to majority rule isn't "minority rule" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean). The alternative is freedom. The alternative is to let people sort things out for themselves and stop trying dictate conformity with government.

I prefer the rule of the people, and the laws that are enacted by the majority.

I don't.

So if you're a minority, or hold a minority opinion, that doesn't give the majority the right to violate your human rights.

I suspect your definition of human rights is very narrow. The basic right to self determination, freedom of association, the right to own property, etc, etc.... socialism tramples all of these, in the name of majority rule. No thanks

People like you who are always shouting "freedom!", have no problem with the fact that the workplace, which is the place where most Americans spend most of their waking hours, is run like a totalitarian regime. You don't care, that most Americans spend most of their lives in an environment, where they're told what to do like a slave. There's no democracy or "rule of the workers/people" in the capitalist workplace.

Gimme a fucking break. Slavery was outlawed. You can quit any time you want.

Socialists embrace slavery. They accept it as the human default and merely want to make us slaves to the state instead. No thanks.

You're find and dandy with that, but then complain about workers owning the workplace collectively and holding elections in the workplace.

Nope. I've never complained about that.

 

[GWV5903]

Not only are socialists aware that socialism is the only solution to the elimination of wage labor by advanced automation and AI, but most billionaires and economic experts recognize that the only way for capitalist markets to continue functioning is through a massive government intervention that bails out the capitalists by generating an artificial, unproductive customer base of monthly welfare recipients.

The government will essentially hand out checks to the American public, hoping to preserve the capitalist market.

That's socialism extending the life of capitalism for a few more decades. The UBI and UI are capitalism on life-support, connected to a respirator, in the ICU.

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Your ignorant poop-heads, continue to accuse socialists of wanting a "nanny state" when ironically, it's the capitalists who are most dependent upon the so-called "nanny state". The big-money capitalists are the biggest free-loader parasites in society:

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2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
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60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
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62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
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66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
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69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
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79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

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Socialism, Communism have repeatedly failed, in fact they foster the very thing you envy, an elite class. The truth is very simple and clear, Capitalism has proven to be the best. You’re attempting to rewrite history, that never ends well…

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's obvious that the only true solution to the inevitable replacement of human wage-labor by advanced automation and artificial intelligence, is a marketless, non-profit, publicly owned, more democratic, centrally planned system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism. The billionaires see the writing on the wall:

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No wage labor (or not enough of it) = No Paying Consumers (or not enough customers) = No Market (or not a large enough market worth investing in) = No Profits (not enough ROI) = No Capitalism (No Capitalists Making A Profit) = Socialism (non-profit, marketless production that doesn't rely on wages being paid to a labor force, that purchases products and services in a market).

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When production is fully or mostly automated, there's no more need for wage-labor or markets. Socialism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the successor of feudalism.

Americans due to decades of Cold War anti-socialist, capitalist propaganda, and brainwashing, are unable to accept this self-evident fact. It's mostly Americans over 50 years old, who have trouble coming to terms with this, not the younger generation. The Millenials are much more open to socialism and the Zoomers are the most socialist generation in American history.

The transition to a non-profit system of production is going to be much smoother in the near future, as boomers retire and the younger generation takes the helm.

If only Socialists/Communists weren't the world's leading mass murderers and enslavers of their people

If only

 

[TruthNotBS]

A system of production that doesn’t need wages? That’s slavery.

Communism takes away personal property as well. So you want us all to be slaves that earn nothing and own nothing. How is the “means of production” placed in the “hands of workers” if they can’t own it?

You are nothing but a walking contradiction. Just look at the old Soviet Union, who was all for “the workers”. What did they do to the farmers? They were persecuted, their lands confiscated, and those that resisted where shipped off to gulags, exiled, or just killed.

You’re an insane communist, who wants to go back to this system.

A system of production that doesn’t need wages? That’s slavery.

When the labor is being done by intelligent robots, then there's no need for wages. Capitalists themselves are replacing wage-labor with advance, smart-robots and autonomous machines. The real slavery is when a small class of wealthy parasites owns the means of production and people have to sell their labor/lives to them for a wage.

Even Adam Smith the father of capitalism, identified capitalist employers as "masters" and their employees as servants, which in his time was another way of saying "slave". Waged-labor is wage-slavery.

Communism takes away personal property as well.

No it doesn't, just private property. Nice try, but you're another one of those suffering from baby-brain syndrome. I've been a communist since 1988 (age 15). and I've never met one communist, of all of the "commies" that I know, who believe personal property should be prohibited and placed in the hands of the government. So you're full of poo-poo. Private property is property that can be used to exploit other human beings for a profit, and that's the only property that is prohibited.

So you want us all to be slaves that earn nothing and own nothing.

Actually, that's what your capitalist-masters want. They own everything and you own nothing. In communism, you own your personal property like your house, car, computer.etc, and own all of the productive assets and infrastructure of your country, as your "commonwealth". So the people own their personal property and also own all of the wealth of the nation, as far as natural resources, the mines, factories, the millions of smart-worker robots.etc.

Under capitalism, if you don't pay your property taxes, you lose your house or land. In communism, there aren't any property taxes and your home and other personal belongings are more secure and protected than under capitalism.

How is the “means of production” placed in the “hands of workers” if they can’t own it?

The means of mass production are managed by the US Government (Federal, State and Local). Current congressional, political districts around the country would be replaced with a worker-council that everyone can join to cast their votes and engage in public debates. Elected officials serve until they're recalled or retired. Every four years or ten years, depending on the people of the district, elected officials are recalled and replaced with a new delegate.

Production will be extensively automated, as well as the logistics and accounting. We're living in the modern age of advanced robotics and artificial intelligence. Cybernetics or computing, is powerful and more than capable of doing all of the accounting. There will be some human supervision of the system, both in the field, at the mines and factories and also in the government's central planning department. As an American citizen, you will have a say in how the government manages production.

At first, people will work maybe 20 hours weekly in the field that they choose, and in return, they'll get all of the goods and services that they need and want. The objective of a modern socialist government is to develop technology to the point that the individual consumer will be able to produce everything that they consume and use at home. So eventually, each individual will have the technology at home, and hence won't need the government. That's a communist goal:

No State, No Socioeconomic Classes, No Need For Money. ​

"A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]"

Source: Communism - Wikipedia

Communists are supposed to be committed to the "Withering Away Of The State":

"Withering away of the state is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the state will eventually become obsolete and cease to exist as society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law."

Withering away of the state - Wikipedia

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You are nothing but a walking contradiction. Just look at the old Soviet Union...

Oh no, not another poo-poo brain referring back to the 20th-century USSR, as if that has anything to do with us here in the USA, in the 21st century. American communism is American, and it exists today, not back then in the 20th century, in another country. We're living in a completely different era, under completely unique circumstances, with access to technology that they didn't have. American communism is influenced and founded upon American culture, values, and history, and has nothing to do with 20th-century Russian Bolshevik communism.

, who was all for “the workers”. What did they do to the farmers? They were persecuted, their lands confiscated, and those that resisted where shipped off to gulags, exiled, or just killed. You’re an insane communist, who wants to go back to this system.

Don't you realize that in Soviet Russia, the only ones who owned land were the Kulaks or feudal lords? Over 80% of the peasantry, lived and worked on the land of their employers or feudal lords. The Soviets actually allowed peasants to own land for their own personal use and collectivized the big farms that the peasants worked in, allowing the peasants to own it together.

The only ones complaining and fighting against the collectivization of the large farms, were the Kulaks and those who were wanted to remain with the status-quo, and continue being serfs. None of this has anything to do with us here in America, in the 21st century.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Socialism, Communism have repeatedly failed, in fact they foster the very thing you envy, an elite class. The truth is very simple and clear, Capitalism has proven to be the best. You’re attempting to rewrite history, that never ends well…

Capitalism continues to fail, even up to the present. It needs socialism to bail it out every few years with public funds. Your reasoning is flawed because you're assuming that a new economic system has to replace a previous one, overnight to be valid and effective. The merchant class didn't replace the feudal lords and royal aristocracy of Europe, until material conditions permitted that to happen in the 19th century with the industrial revolution.

We're now entering into a new revolution in production that will require socialism to function properly. With advanced automation and artificial intelligence, wage labor is replaced with technology and when that occurs, socialism is needed. Socialism is always needed, that's why capitalism has always made its losses public. Capitalists make their profits private and their losses public. The public end up bailing out the capitalists every few years, to prevent the economy from collapsing.