Democracy In Egypt Is Bad For The United States

[Martin35]

Almost every foreign policy decision will have unintended consequences, the long time support of Mubarak was in aid stabilization, there was no sin attached until his people became aroused,,, folks doing without can get real peevish.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Almost every foreign policy decision will have unintended consequences, the long time support of Mubarak was in aid stabilization, there was no sin attached until his people became aroused,,, folks doing without can get real peevish.

We're already paying off the new Egyptian Government as well. Our meddling in Egypt has not come to an end,like so many are proclaiming. Our aggressive Foreign Interventionism vicious circle continues to spin round & round. The Egyptians will get pissed off at us at some point down the road. The radicals will now want their say. Will payoffs be enough for us in the future? I guess we'll see. Stay tuned.

 

[dilloduck]

Almost every foreign policy decision will have unintended consequences, the long time support of Mubarak was in aid stabilization, there was no sin attached until his people became aroused,,, folks doing without can get real peevish.

No sin ? How about other people in the world who went without so Israel and the Arabs would play nice ?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Figure it out. You should be able to do it. Nighty night.

He was talking for the muslim brotherhood stupid. Or didn't you know that?

 

[Martin35]

[No sin ? How about other people in the world who went without so Israel and the Arabs would play nice ? /B]
What part of your personal benefits would you give up to allow the region where the majority of worlds dwindling oil supply is located to become unavailable, world events affect the world, last time I looked we were part of the world not a isolated unaffected enclave, we are touched regardless our shrinking attitudes of involvement. Our inaction's are as consequential as our actions,,, see 2 World Wars. Try to man up, the rest of the world is..

 

[mudwhistle]

The Muslim Brotherhood

“The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

One thing that should not be is that the Muslim Brotherhood is our enemy, and whatever role it plays in Egypt‘s future will be to our detriment.

Such clarity is readily available because the Brotherhood (MB or, in Arabic, Ikhwan) has told us as much. Consider, for example, the mission statement for the MB found in one of its secret documents, titled “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.”

“The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

Some interesting facts about the Muslim Brotherhood:

1. The group is the world's oldest and largest Islamic political group

2. Their credo is: “Allah is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.

3. By 1936, it had 800 members, then this number increased greatly to up to 200,000 by 1938. There are currently millions of members.

4. In the 2005 parliamentary elections, the Brotherhood's candidates, who had to run as independents due to their illegality as a political party, won 88 seats (20% of the total) to form the largest opposition bloc.

5. In Sudan (Darfur) - The Brotherhood penetrated into the ruling political organizations, the state army and security personal, the national and regional assemblies, the youth and women organizations of Sudan. They also launched their own mass organizations among the youth and women such as the shabab al-binna, and raidat al-nahda, and launched educational campaigns to Islamize the communities throughout the country. At the same time, they gained control of several newly founded Islamic missionary and relief organizations to spread their ideology. The Brotherhood members took control of the newly established Islamic Banks as directors, administrators, employees and legal advisors, which became a source of power for the Brotherhood.

The Sudanese government has come under considerable criticism for its human rights policies, links to terrorist groups, and war in southern Sudan and Darfur.
See also: Darfur conflict, Second Sudanese Civil War, and Human rights in Sudan

The conservatism of at least some elements of the Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood was highlighted in an August 3, 2007 Al-Jazeera television interview of Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood leader Sheikh Sadeq Abdallah bin Al-Majed. As translated by the Israeli-based MEMRI, Bin Al-Majed told his interviewer that "the West, and the Americans in particular ... are behind all the tragedies that are taking place in Darfur,"

Problem is we aren't in Darfur.

6. In the United States - he Muslim Brotherhood has been active in the US since the 1960s. Its stated goals have included propagating Islam and creating havens for Muslims in the US, and integrating Muslims. A main strategy has been dawah or Islamic renewal and outreach. In the 1960s, groups such as U.S. military personnel, prison inmates and African-Americans were specifically targeted for dawah. According to a report done by the NEFA Foundation which cites evidence from the United States v. Holy Land Foundation trial, the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the USA is

Enablement of Islam in North America, meaning: establishing an effective and stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim Brotherhood which adopts Muslims’ causes domestically and globally, and which works to expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims’ efforts, presents Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic state wherever it is.[76]

The Holy Land Foundation trial has led to the release as evidence of [78] several documents on the Muslim Brotherhood. One of these documents, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is “settlement”, defined by the author as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilization from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions.[79] In another one of these documents, "Ikhwan in America", the author alleges that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood),[80] as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA (referred to as Securing the Group).[81] In November 2008 the Holy Land Foundation was found guilty of illegally funding Palestinian militant group Hamas, which is designated by the United States as a terrorist group.[82]

U.S. White House counter-terrorism chief Juan Zarate, says The Muslim Brotherhood is a group that is not a threat "because it deals with philosophical or ideological ideas but because it defends the use of violence against civilians."

They attack the use of violence from dictators but when they commit violent acts, they're excused. Like the many times members have attempted and in some case succeeded in assassinations. Egyptian Prime minister assassination, Suicide Bombings, links with al Qaeda and Hamas,

Security Director James Clapper says the Muslim Brotherhood is a secular organization and mostly harmless.

LINKS

A Profile of the Muslim Brotherhood
The Protocals of the Elders of Zion
Wikipedia on the Muslim Brotherhood
Washington Times Link to the Brotherhood

 

[mudwhistle]

[No sin ? How about other people in the world who went without so Israel and the Arabs would play nice ? /B]
What part of your personal benefits would you give up to allow the region where the majority of worlds dwindling oil supply is located to become unavailable, world events affect the world, last time I looked we were part of the world not a isolated unaffected enclave, we are touched regardless our shrinking attitudes of involvement. Our inaction's are as consequential as our actions,,, see 2 World Wars. Try to man up, the rest of the world is..

And thanks to our President every drop of our oil is off-limits to us.

Is he working with our enemies to bring us down?

He sure as hell isn't helping us.

Seems Muslims and Progressives have a common goal. Raising the price of fossil-fuels so we cannot afford them. Both believe in solidarity, workers of the world uniting in a common cause, a new world order, both believe in revolution, and Democracy.

It's just that little problem of differing opinions of government. Progressives believe in a secular government while Islamists believe in a strict Theocracy. So when the time comes the Islamists will simply absorb the Progressives, or put them to the sword, whichever comes first.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Muslim Brotherhood

We also know how the Brotherhood plans to pull off our destruction. Another MB document, this one undated, is called “Phases of the World Underground Movement Plan.” It describes a five-installment program for achieving the triumph of Shariah - together with a status report on the realization of several of the phases’ goals:

Phase 1: “Discreet and secret establishment of leadership.”

Phase 2: “Phase of gradual appearance on the public scene and exercising and utilizing various public activities. [The MB] greatly succeeded in implementing this stage. It also succeeded in achieving a great deal of its important goals, such as infiltrating various sectors of the Government.”

Phase 3: “Escalation phase, prior to conflict and confrontation with the rulers, through utilizing mass media. Currently in progress.”

Phase 4: “Open public confrontation with the Government through exercising the political pressure approach. It is aggressively implementing the above-mentioned approach. Training on the use of weapons domestically and overseas in anticipation of zero-hour. It has noticeable activities in this regard.”

Phase 5: “Seizing power to establish their Islamic Nation under which all parties and Islamic groups are united.”

The Master Plan

 

[mudwhistle]

The Muslim Brotherhood

By Ali Akbar Dareini
Associated Press / February 11, 2011


TEHRAN, Iran—Iran's president declared Friday that Egypt's uprising shows a new Middle East is emerging that will doom Israel and break free of American "interference," even as Tehran clamps down harder on its own domestic opposition movement.


Iran has sought to portray the popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt as a replay of its 1979 Islamic Revolution -- whose anniversary was marked Friday by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech and state-organized rallies that included chants of support for Egypt's anti-government protests.

"Despite all the (West's) complicated and satanic designs ... a new Middle East is emerging without the Zionist regime and U.S. interference, a place where the arrogant powers will have no place," Ahmadinejad told a crowd filling Tehran's Azadi, or Freedom, Square.


In Iran's calculation, the revolt against Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak equals a blow to U.S. influence in the region and carries echoes of Iran's Islamic Revolution, which deposed the Western-allied monarchy and brought hard-line clerics to power.

Iran has been highly critical of Egypt's regime for its pro-U.S. policies and peace pact with Israel. For years, Iranian officials commissioned murals and other symbols to honor the gunman who killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat in 1981, two years after the peace accord with Israel took effect. Jordan also has a peace deal with Israel.

At the same time, Iranian authorities have been pushed into a corner by their support for the Egyptian uprising.

Iranian opposition groups have called for marches on Monday to express solidarity with Egypt's demonstrators. Iranian officials consider it a backdoor attempt to revive anti-government demonstrations and have warned of sharp crackdowns on efforts to return to the streets.



Tens of thousands marched down Tehran's main boulevard in state-organized rallies, some chanting in support of Egypt's anti-government protesters. Some Iranians set an effigy of Mubarak on fire while others mocked him with quips playing off his last name, which means "congratulations" in Farsi.

Ahmadinejad, speaking just hours before Mubarak resigned and transferred control of the country to the armed forces, urged Egyptian protesters to persevere.

"It's your right to be free. It's your right to exercise your will and sovereignty ... and choose the type of government and the rulers," said Ahmadinejad.

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Isn't it wonderful the way the Obama Administration does so much to give aid and comfort to our worst enemies.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

[No sin ? How about other people in the world who went without so Israel and the Arabs would play nice ? /B]
What part of your personal benefits would you give up to allow the region where the majority of worlds dwindling oil supply is located to become unavailable, world events affect the world, last time I looked we were part of the world not a isolated unaffected enclave, we are touched regardless our shrinking attitudes of involvement. Our inaction's are as consequential as our actions,,, see 2 World Wars. Try to man up, the rest of the world is..

And thanks to our President our every drop of our oil is off-limits to us.

Is he working with our enemies to bring us down?

He sure as hell isn't helping us.

Seems Muslims and Progressives have a common goal. Raising the price of fossil-fuels so we cannot afford them. Both believe in solidarity, workers of the world uniting in a common cause, a new world order, both believe in revolution, and Democracy.

It's just that little problem of differing opinions of government. Progressives believe in a secular government while Islamists believe in a strict Theocracy. So when the time comes the Islamists will simply absorb the Progressives, or put them to the sword, whichever comes first.

SEEMS THEY HAVE A COMMON GOAL? You didn't know code pink helped with the protest in egypt?

 

[mudwhistle]

[No sin ? How about other people in the world who went without so Israel and the Arabs would play nice ? /B]
What part of your personal benefits would you give up to allow the region where the majority of worlds dwindling oil supply is located to become unavailable, world events affect the world, last time I looked we were part of the world not a isolated unaffected enclave, we are touched regardless our shrinking attitudes of involvement. Our inaction's are as consequential as our actions,,, see 2 World Wars. Try to man up, the rest of the world is..

And thanks to our President our every drop of our oil is off-limits to us.

Is he working with our enemies to bring us down?

He sure as hell isn't helping us.

Seems Muslims and Progressives have a common goal. Raising the price of fossil-fuels so we cannot afford them. Both believe in solidarity, workers of the world uniting in a common cause, a new world order, both believe in revolution, and Democracy.

It's just that little problem of differing opinions of government. Progressives believe in a secular government while Islamists believe in a strict Theocracy. So when the time comes the Islamists will simply absorb the Progressives, or put them to the sword, whichever comes first.

SEEMS THEY HAVE A COMMON GOAL? You didn't know code pink helped with the protest in egypt?

Yes, the same individuals that want to cut Clarence Thomas's toes off and feed em to him.

Code Pink is cool. The Tea Party is racist. A threat.

Go figure.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How obvious the Mudwhistles and comradbigrebs walk in lockstep trying to prevent democracy in the USA as well as abroad.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How obvious the Mudwhistles and comradbigrebs walk in lockstep trying to prevent democracy in the USA as well as abroad.

I see 1978 all over again, good thing though after the 70's we had Ronald Reagan. Does this mean we will have another Reagan in the white house in 2012?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are seeing through a glass darkly, comrade bigrebnc, and using the strategies of Alinski/Zenn/Limbaugh. You are attempting to polarize a topic and demonize. However, Egypt in 2011 is not Iran in 1979; no Khomeini exists; the Muslim Brotherhood does not have the power of the imams in Iran; and Egyptians are far more tolerant of the West than the Iranians in 1979.

bigrebnc, tell us why you oppose the growth of democratic freedoms abroad?

 

[mudwhistle]

How obvious the Mudwhistles and comradbigrebs walk in lockstep trying to prevent democracy in the USA as well as abroad.

Yeah, right.

For eight years we've been hearing about all your complaints about Democracy in Iraq. You didn't like it one friggen bit.

Funny how people like yourself had a problem with Democracy then.

Bush freed 50 million people from under tyrants and you've been bitching about it ever since.

Nobody supported the Iranian revolution last year. A place where Democracy is really needed.
I guess it all depends how you do it. Bush made sure it was controlled and Obama just made sure it happened. Now he's gonna bail and wait for the bull shit to start. Of course the media won't report on it. So Islamic creep and expansion will go on without coverage from MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How obvious the Mudwhistles and comradbigrebs walk in lockstep trying to prevent democracy in the USA as well as abroad.

This is not a democracy. It is a Republic.

Funny how people like yourself had a problem with Democracy in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Bush freed 50 million people from under tyrants you you've been bitching about it ever since.

I guess it all depends how you do it. Bush made sure it was controlled and Obama just made sure it happened. Now he's gonna bail and wait for the bull shit to start. Of course the media won't report on it. So Islamic creep and expansion will go on without coverage from MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN.

We are a democratic republic; you need to learn how our government works. The 50 million people "liberated" are controlled by political parties who don't like us. Iran and Iraq work more closely every day, and very soon we will be gone from Iraq and contained to Kabul.

Bush and the neo-cons were fools and all of America is paying the price of fools gold.

 

[mudwhistle]

You are seeing through a glass darkly, comrade bigrebnc, and using the strategies of Alinski/Zenn/Limbaugh. You are attempting to polarize a topic and demonize. However, Egypt in 2011 is not Iran in 1979; no Khomeini exists; the Muslim Brotherhood does not have the power of the imams in Iran; and Egyptians are far more tolerant of the West than the Iranians in 1979.

bigrebnc, tell us why you oppose the growth of democratic freedoms abroad?

What a fool.

They already have the power. It only took 19 days to complete a revolution. How much longer will it take for the Muslim Brotherhood to infiltrate and take over the Egyptian government.

 

[mudwhistle]

How obvious the Mudwhistles and comradbigrebs walk in lockstep trying to prevent democracy in the USA as well as abroad.

This is not a democracy. It is a Republic.

Funny how people like yourself had a problem with Democracy in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Bush freed 50 million people from under tyrants you you've been bitching about it ever since.

I guess it all depends how you do it. Bush made sure it was controlled and Obama just made sure it happened. Now he's gonna bail and wait for the bull shit to start. Of course the media won't report on it. So Islamic creep and expansion will go on without coverage from MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN.

We are a democratic republic; you need to learn how our government works. The 50 million people "liberated" are controlled by political parties who don't like us. Iran and Iraq work more closely every day, and very soon we will be gone from Iraq and contained to Kabul.

Bush and the neo-cons were fools and all of America is paying the price of fools gold.

I know how our government works shithead.

And the 80 million people in Egypt are controlled by political parties that don't like us. Nobody there likes us anymore. You need to face up to that glaring fact.

We are a Republic. The UN is a Democracy.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You are seeing through a glass darkly, comrade bigrebnc, and using the strategies of Alinski/Zenn/Limbaugh. You are attempting to polarize a topic and demonize. However, Egypt in 2011 is not Iran in 1979; no Khomeini exists; the Muslim Brotherhood does not have the power of the imams in Iran; and Egyptians are far more tolerant of the West than the Iranians in 1979.

bigrebnc, tell us why you oppose the growth of democratic freedoms abroad?

You are seeing through a glass darkly, comrade bigrebnc, and using the strategies of Alinski/Zenn/Limbaugh.

It seems you have the problem looking at things clearly if you compare Limbaugh to Alinsky.

You are attempting to polarize a topic and demonize. However, Egypt in 2011 is not Iran in 1979; no Khomeini exists

What do you think the Muslim brotherhood is and who do you think runs it? Hints they are not a political movement they are headed by a religious person.

the Muslim Brotherhood does not have the power of the imams in Iran; and Egyptians are far more tolerant of the West than the Iranians in 1979.

The only one you're fooling is yourself.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are a democratic Republic, we do have allies in Europe, you ignored the fact that we are losing Iraq and Afghanistan, and you have comradbignbc as your ally.

You guys are digging yourself into such a shithole, you will be breathing shit for the next year here.