Democracy In Egypt Is Bad For The United States

[bigrebnc1775]

We are a democratic Republic, we do have allies in Europe, you ignored the fact that we are losing Iraq and Afghanistan, and you have comradbignbc as your ally.

You guys are digging yourself into such a shithole, you will be breathing shit for the next year here.

We are a Constitutional Republic, but at least you didn't say we were a democracy
A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are a democratic Republic. The officials are elected democratically. The SCOTUS decides what is constitutional, not the comradebiggies.

 

[Ropey]

In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.

To the extent that the United States of America has moved away from its republican roots and become more "democratic," it has strayed from the intentions of the Constitution's authors. Whether or not the trend toward more direct democracy would be smiled upon by the Framers depends on the answer to another question. Are the American people today sufficiently better informed and otherwise equipped to be wise and prudent democratic citizens than were American citizens in the late 1700s? By all accounts, the answer to this second question is an emphatic "no."

ThisNation.com--Is the United States a democracy?

 

[mudwhistle]

We are a democratic Republic, we do have allies in Europe, you ignored the fact that we are losing Iraq and Afghanistan, and you have comradbignbc as your ally.

You guys are digging yourself into such a shithole, you will be breathing shit for the next year here.

We are losing Iraq and Afghanistan.

Must be Bush's fault.

Not Obama's

Idiot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are a democratic Republic, we do have allies in Europe, you ignored the fact that we are losing Iraq and Afghanistan, and you have comradbignbc as your ally.

You guys are digging yourself into such a shithole, you will be breathing shit for the next year here.

We are losing Iraq and Afghanistan. Must be Bush's fault. Not Obama's Idiot.

Obama indeed is filling in the grave of the neo-cons' foreign policy blunders of the last decade, indeed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We are a democratic Republic. The officials are elected democratically. The SCOTUS decides what is constitutional, not the comradebiggies.

progressivestarkey what is it about "must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens." that you fail to comprehend?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Progressivism is reformism. You are progressivebigrebnccomrade. You need to learn honest definitions, son.

You, bucko and your seven comrades, don't tell us what the constitution "means".

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressivism is reformism. You are progressivebigrebnccomrade. You need to learn honest definitions, son.

You, bucko and your seven comrades, don't tell us what the constitution "means".

You're full of shit. project much?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are projecting the trash truck on yourself again. You and your fellow wacks are allowed to say what you think, but you don't have the votes. You know it, I know it.

 

[mudwhistle]

We are a democratic Republic. The officials are elected democratically. The SCOTUS decides what is constitutional, not the comradebiggies.

We use elections to decide who will represent us, but in case you don't realize it, the popular vote doesn't decide who becomes POTUS. The Electoral College decides who is POTUS. Or have you forgotten the 2000 election. That means our President is elected by representatives. That may be Democratic but not a text book Democracy.

In a Democracy majority rules. Everything is put to a vote. In a Republic you elect representatives to vote for you.

An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic

It is important to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved. It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government--that is, featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically--is not helpful in discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic. This double meaning of Democracy--a popular-type government in general, as well as a specific form of popular government--needs to be made clear in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of sound understanding.

These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority; as we shall now see.

A Democracy

The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

A Republic

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.

In a Democracy there is no need for a Constitution. The majority overrules everything else.

Link

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sigh. Mudwhistle, look at me. LOOK AT ME! In the eye. That's better. We are a democratic republic. Got it?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sigh. Mudwhistle, look at me. LOOK AT ME! In the eye. That's better. We are a democratic republic. Got it?

It get's very tiring correcting you


We are a Constitutional republic.
progressivestarkey what is it about "must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens." that you fail to comprehend?

 

[mudwhistle]

You are projecting the trash truck on yourself again. You and your fellow wacks are allowed to say what you think, but you don't have the votes. You know it, I know it.

You're confusing a Democracy with freedom of speech.

In a Democracy the minority has no voice.

That's what's wrong with a Democracy. It sounds good but people get fucked all of the time.

Say we have a country that is mostly Shiite. The Sunnis are in the minority and have no voice. In Iraq the Sunnis were the minority but since the President was Sunni they had more of a voice then the Shiite majority. Now the tables have turned and they have a Democracy. It didn't solve their problems because we wanted them to develop a constitution and they still don't have one. That is why they are going nowhere.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What don't you understand, big? A constitutional republic is a democratic republic, where the people elect their representation, whether in the House, the Senate, the electors, whatever.

Saul Alinksy would be proud of you, biggie.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are projecting the trash truck on yourself again. You and your fellow wacks are allowed to say what you think, but you don't have the votes. You know it, I know it.

You're confusing a Democracy with freedom of speech.

In a Democracy the minority has no voice.

That's what's wrong with a Democracy. It sounds good but people get fucked all of the time.

Say we have a country that is mostly Shiite. The Sunnis are in the minority and have no voice. In Iraq the Sunnis were the minority but since the President was Sunni they had more of a voice then the Shiite majority. Now the tables have turned and they have a Democracy. It didn't solve their problems because we wanted them to develop a constitution and they still don't have one. That is why they are going nowhere.

No, no, no. Democracies can become tyrannies of the majority if the country does not have guaranteed minority rights. We do, they don't, and you don't get it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What don't you understand, big? A constitutional republic is a democratic republic, where the people elect their representation, whether in the House, the Senate, the electors, whatever.

Saul Alinksy would be proud of you, biggie.

Definitions of Democratic republic on the Web:


•People's Republic, also especially in other languages Popular Republic, is a title that has often been used by Marxist-Leninist governments to describe their state. ...
•A political system in which a country is ruled by law, has representative government, and is democratic in nature.
•a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
defineemocratic republic - Google Search
One thing it fails to mention and that is a Constitution


Here's what we are
A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What don't you understand, big? A constitutional republic is a democratic republic, where the people elect their representation, whether in the House, the Senate, the electors, whatever.

Saul Alinksy would be proud of you, biggie.

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Here's what we are A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected DEMOCRATICALLY as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

I helped you out with the highlighting. We are now in agreement.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What don't you understand, big? A constitutional republic is a democratic republic, where the people elect their representation, whether in the House, the Senate, the electors, whatever.

Saul Alinksy would be proud of you, biggie.

Definitions of Democratic republic on the Web:


&#8226;People's Republic, also especially in other languages Popular Republic, is a title that has often been used by Marxist-Leninist governments to describe their state. ...
&#8226;A political system in which a country is ruled by law, has representative government, and is democratic in nature.
&#8226;a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
defineemocratic republic - Google Search
One thing it fails to mention and that is a Constitution

Here's what we are A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected DEMOCRATICALLY as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

I helped you out with the highlighting. We are now in agreement.

Seek the truth and it shall set you free. Now we are

 

[JakeStarkey]

. . . both free. biggie, we have always been free. Only your shutter vision has restricted your ability to freely see.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

. . . both free. biggie, we have always been free. Only your shutter vision has restricted your ability to freely see.

There's a difference jake

•People's Republic, also especially in other languages Popular Republic, is a title that has often been used by Marxist-Leninist governments to describe their state. ...
•A political system in which a country is ruled by law, has representative government, and is democratic in nature.
•a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
One thing it fails to mention and that is a Constitution

Here's what we are A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected DEMOCRATICALLY as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.


Google democratic government it will always come up defining Democracy
democratic government - Google Search