Dehumanization: Palestinians' most powerful enemy

[Coyote]

Originally posted by José
the denial of their right to move freely in their homeland

their forced confinement to parts of Palestine they're not originally from

the brutal assassination of those who decide to fight back by the israeli war machine

Originally posted by Coyote
Woah dude.

That's a complete fabrication of my position.

It was a perfectly accurate description of your position.

Originally posted by Coyote
I'd dismantle all settlements on occupied territories.

Then, I'd defend the legally and historically defined borders of my nation with lethal force.

Would you build a wall Page 6 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Western Palestine is part of their historical homeland too and you advocate the use of lethal force if they fight for their right to live there.

A classic example of a group of human beings dehumanized due to their ethno-religious affiliation.

No, it's not - you are quoting me selectively and leaving out some critical information.

"Western Palestine" - what is now Israel - has been a recognized state since 1948. I recognize it as a state and as having the right to exist as a state. After 70 years, there is no going back and changing what was done without a huge wrong to the people who have been living there for generations now. You can not fix an old wrong with a new wrong and that applies to Israel's attempts to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from the West Bank as well as to what you are saying.

When you talk about "historic homelands" - well, that entire region was also the "historic homeland" for indiginous Jews. Both groups have a claim on it, both groups used to share it, both groups need to find a way to share it again. Israel is not going to go away and neither are the Palestinians.

How is recognizing these realities "dehumanizing" a group due to their "ethno-religious affiliation"?

 

[montelatici]

No, just fact. Israeli Jews kill children, it's in their DNA. And, you support the murder of children.

"Israeli Jews kill children"?
"It's in their DNA"?
You are one sick phukk.
Always figured that it would turn out to be this particular symptom on your end.
It just took longer for The Hate to come oozing out of your skin than others like you.
Your stock around here just plummetted through the basement, my little Arab butt-floss.
You've now been officially removed from the list of Respectable Folk around here.
Opposition to Israel is one thing.
Jew-hating, of your particular flavor, is quite another.
The stuff that Auschwitz and Treblinka were made of.
Way-to-go, making the point that pro-Palestinian propaganda shills engage in far more and deeper dehumanization (of Jews) than the so-called dehumanization of Palestinians that is at-issue here.
Clown.
Asswipe.

As has often been confirmed by the nature of their posts, the vast majority of "pro-Palestinian" posters here actually know precious little about the conflict and the people of Israel and the territories and seem to care even less. What they do know is their hate for Jooos and no matter how vociferously they protest (and most do), they really just can't hide it.

As has been confirmed by the nature of the posts, the Israel Firsters cannot recognize oppression of non-Jews by Jews. It has been decades of brainwashing that allows them to see the corralling of non-Jews into latter day Gulags (and periodically murdering thousands of them) as necessary for security purposes, not realizing that if such a thing were done by any other country the leadership would be on trial in The Hague like many of the Serb leaders were/are. We all know it is their rabid and racist hate for Arabs (Christian and Muslim), though they deny it vociferously. They just can't hide their racism.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Kondor3
Newsflash, new meat...

New meat??

I joined the board 5 years before you and Coyote.

8 years before Lipush, Sayit.

10 years before Montelatici.

One of the few old timers still around.

 

[Coyote]

Yup, that you are Jose

 

[Kondor3]

...At least they're using "the Enemy" as human shields? Using Palestinian CHILDREN as human shields is acceptable to you? That is a 'huge frigging difference'?

Any side using children as human shields is despicable and unacceptable.

Using the enemy's children is bad enough.

Using your own children is an abomination.

The elephant in the room.

 

[Kondor3]

No, just fact. Israeli Jews kill children, it's in their DNA. And, you support the murder of children.

"Israeli Jews kill children"?
"It's in their DNA"?
You are one sick phukk.
Always figured that it would turn out to be this particular symptom on your end.
It just took longer for The Hate to come oozing out of your skin than others like you.
Your stock around here just plummetted through the basement, my little Arab butt-floss.
You've now been officially removed from the list of Respectable Folk around here.
Opposition to Israel is one thing.
Jew-hating, of your particular flavor, is quite another.
The stuff that Auschwitz and Treblinka were made of.
Way-to-go, making the point that pro-Palestinian propaganda shills engage in far more and deeper dehumanization (of Jews) than the so-called dehumanization of Palestinians that is at-issue here.
Clown.
Asswipe.

As has often been confirmed by the nature of their posts, the vast majority of "pro-Palestinian" posters here actually know precious little about the conflict and the people of Israel and the territories and seem to care even less. What they do know is their hate for Jooos and no matter how vociferously they protest (and most do), they really just can't hide it.

As has been confirmed by the nature of the posts, the Israel Firsters cannot recognize oppression of non-Jews by Jews. It has been decades of brainwashing that allows them to see the corralling of non-Jews into latter day Gulags (and periodically murdering thousands of them) as necessary for security purposes, not realizing that if such a thing were done by any other country the leadership would be on trial in The Hague like many of the Serb leaders were/are. We all know it is their rabid and racist hate for Arabs (Christian and Muslim), though they deny it vociferously. They just can't hide their racism.

After you saying that Israeli Jews kill children because it's in their DNA...

You have nothing to teach pro-Israeli types or anyone else about racism...

Other than to hold yourself out as a poster boy for that affliction...

You are mentally ill...

Talk to the hand...

And seek serious psychological counseling help...

 

[Kondor3]

Originally posted by Kondor3
Newsflash, new meat...

New meat??

I joined the board 5 years before you and Coyote.

8 years before Lipush, Sayit.

10 years before Montelatici.

One of the few old timers still around.

That's not what your profile says.

But I'll take Coyote's word for it.

 

[Daniyel]

I'm sorry , I know it sounds terrible but hear me out till the very end.
MK Ayelet Shaked said she is fine with killing a mother of a terrorist if that means the terrorist will die as well.
I AGREE.
Our soldiers life is far precious to us, and basically everyone else when it comes to comparison with terrorist and their supporters, nevertheless the life of the Israelis is our top priority and will always remain our top priority, with this being said, lets take a look at the situation,and let me remind you I'm not talking about human mistakes or accidents which surly happens dozen of time, I'm talking about the basic use of human shield-an innocent one? Probably nobody is innocent in the world, but let us assume there is one saint in Sdom.
A Life of a decent soldiers putting their life at risk to prevent some bloodthirsty psycho to go rampaging on Israelis is obvious.
Now if you ask me who else would actually going to replace that soldier, I would gladly offer my own life, but once you accuse the moral side over human shield as counter mechanism (best defense is offense) you clearly lost the debate,here is why.
The life of the Palestinian pure innocent little saint is -as you always said- an upcoming generation of hate, but since we look over the current situation it is either the life of this soldier and other innocent kids in Israel over a life of one kid that against all odds will eventually become in the best Palestinian case scenario - a terrorist passively supporter - sorry but I couldn't care less about their life since its obvious no balance would be once nobody would actually care about our own life, sorry for being selfish but this is the ugly truth.
Now lets go back again to the issue, IDF (as entirely or by a representative) uses Palestinian human shields? Are you out of your god damn mind? ZERO evidence and probably a fresh off Gaza accusation since Hamas is the one blamed for human shields in the first place, ridiculously attempt to draw the attention off THEM - to us.
This is a wonderful example why the conflict will never end since the Palestinians can't see the wrong done by their own, Robin Hood street justice picking on the side that actually care but losing it with every passing day, to cover intentionally or unintentionally the filthbehind their back, they will (I hope I wrong) never bother dealing with their own so what's the point over the debate? Justice? Depends where you standing is one thing, but what you gonna do about it is the million dollar question.

 

[Beelzebub]

I'm sorry , I know it sounds terrible but hear me out till the very end.
MK Ayelet Shaked said she is fine with killing a mother of a terrorist if that means the terrorist will die as well.
I AGREE.
Our soldiers life is far precious to us, and basically everyone else when it comes to comparison with terrorist and their supporters, nevertheless the life of the Israelis is our top priority and will always remain our top priority, with this being said, lets take a look at the situation,and let me remind you I'm not talking about human mistakes or accidents which surly happens dozen of time, I'm talking about the basic use of human shield-an innocent one? Probably nobody is innocent in the world, but let us assume there is one saint in Sdom.
A Life of a decent soldiers putting their life at risk to prevent some bloodthirsty psycho to go rampaging on Israelis is obvious.
Now if you ask me who else would actually going to replace that soldier, I would gladly offer my own life, but once you accuse the moral side over human shield as counter mechanism (best defense is offense) you clearly lost the debate,here is why.
The life of the Palestinian pure innocent little saint is -as you always said- an upcoming generation of hate, but since we look over the current situation it is either the life of this soldier and other innocent kids in Israel over a life of one kid that against all odds will eventually become in the best Palestinian case scenario - a terrorist passively supporter - sorry but I couldn't care less about their life since its obvious no balance would be once nobody would actually care about our own life, sorry for being selfish but this is the ugly truth.
Now lets go back again to the issue, IDF (as entirely or by a representative) uses Palestinian human shields? Are you out of your god damn mind? ZERO evidence and probably a fresh off Gaza accusation since Hamas is the one blamed for human shields in the first place, ridiculously attempt to draw the attention off THEM - to us.
This is a wonderful example why the conflict will never end since the Palestinians can't see the wrong done by their own, Robin Hood street justice picking on the side that actually care but losing it with every passing day, to cover intentionally or unintentionally the filthbehind their back, they will (I hope I wrong) never bother dealing with their own so what's the point over the debate? Justice? Depends where you standing is one thing, but what you gonna do about it is the million dollar question.

In 15 years of internet debate I don't think I have read such a confused 'stream of consciousness' as Daniyel has just puked up there.

 

[Coyote]

...At least they're using "the Enemy" as human shields? Using Palestinian CHILDREN as human shields is acceptable to you? That is a 'huge frigging difference'?

Any side using children as human shields is despicable and unacceptable.

Using the enemy's children is bad enough.

Using your own children is an abomination.

The elephant in the room.

I think it's both an abomination frankly.

 

[Coyote]

I'm sorry , I know it sounds terrible but hear me out till the very end.
MK Ayelet Shaked said she is fine with killing a mother of a terrorist if that means the terrorist will die as well.
I AGREE.
Our soldiers life is far precious to us, and basically everyone else when it comes to comparison with terrorist and their supporters, nevertheless the life of the Israelis is our top priority and will always remain our top priority, with this being said, lets take a look at the situation,and let me remind you I'm not talking about human mistakes or accidents which surly happens dozen of time, I'm talking about the basic use of human shield-an innocent one? Probably nobody is innocent in the world, but let us assume there is one saint in Sdom.
A Life of a decent soldiers putting their life at risk to prevent some bloodthirsty psycho to go rampaging on Israelis is obvious.
Now if you ask me who else would actually going to replace that soldier, I would gladly offer my own life, but once you accuse the moral side over human shield as counter mechanism (best defense is offense) you clearly lost the debate,here is why.
The life of the Palestinian pure innocent little saint is -as you always said- an upcoming generation of hate, but since we look over the current situation it is either the life of this soldier and other innocent kids in Israel over a life of one kid that against all odds will eventually become in the best Palestinian case scenario - a terrorist passively supporter - sorry but I couldn't care less about their life since its obvious no balance would be once nobody would actually care about our own life, sorry for being selfish but this is the ugly truth.
Now lets go back again to the issue, IDF (as entirely or by a representative) uses Palestinian human shields? Are you out of your god damn mind? ZERO evidence and probably a fresh off Gaza accusation since Hamas is the one blamed for human shields in the first place, ridiculously attempt to draw the attention off THEM - to us.
This is a wonderful example why the conflict will never end since the Palestinians can't see the wrong done by their own, Robin Hood street justice picking on the side that actually care but losing it with every passing day, to cover intentionally or unintentionally the filthbehind their back, they will (I hope I wrong) never bother dealing with their own so what's the point over the debate? Justice? Depends where you standing is one thing, but what you gonna do about it is the million dollar question.

In 15 years of internet debate I don't think I have read such a confused 'stream of consciousness' as Daniyel has just puked up there.

Am I understanding it correctly that Daniyel supports Israeli's using Palestinian children as human shields while simultaneously saying there is zero evidence that the IDF has done so?

Well, there is plenty of evidence as stated in cases brought before the courts.

 

[Beelzebub]

I think so Coyote.

But I think we are to understand he missed his sedatives this afternoon too.

 

[Daniyel]

I'm sorry , I know it sounds terrible but hear me out till the very end.
MK Ayelet Shaked said she is fine with killing a mother of a terrorist if that means the terrorist will die as well.
I AGREE.
Our soldiers life is far precious to us, and basically everyone else when it comes to comparison with terrorist and their supporters, nevertheless the life of the Israelis is our top priority and will always remain our top priority, with this being said, lets take a look at the situation,and let me remind you I'm not talking about human mistakes or accidents which surly happens dozen of time, I'm talking about the basic use of human shield-an innocent one? Probably nobody is innocent in the world, but let us assume there is one saint in Sdom.
A Life of a decent soldiers putting their life at risk to prevent some bloodthirsty psycho to go rampaging on Israelis is obvious.
Now if you ask me who else would actually going to replace that soldier, I would gladly offer my own life, but once you accuse the moral side over human shield as counter mechanism (best defense is offense) you clearly lost the debate,here is why.
The life of the Palestinian pure innocent little saint is -as you always said- an upcoming generation of hate, but since we look over the current situation it is either the life of this soldier and other innocent kids in Israel over a life of one kid that against all odds will eventually become in the best Palestinian case scenario - a terrorist passively supporter - sorry but I couldn't care less about their life since its obvious no balance would be once nobody would actually care about our own life, sorry for being selfish but this is the ugly truth.
Now lets go back again to the issue, IDF (as entirely or by a representative) uses Palestinian human shields? Are you out of your god damn mind? ZERO evidence and probably a fresh off Gaza accusation since Hamas is the one blamed for human shields in the first place, ridiculously attempt to draw the attention off THEM - to us.
This is a wonderful example why the conflict will never end since the Palestinians can't see the wrong done by their own, Robin Hood street justice picking on the side that actually care but losing it with every passing day, to cover intentionally or unintentionally the filthbehind their back, they will (I hope I wrong) never bother dealing with their own so what's the point over the debate? Justice? Depends where you standing is one thing, but what you gonna do about it is the million dollar question.

In 15 years of internet debate I don't think I have read such a confused 'stream of consciousness' as Daniyel has just puked up there.

Am I understanding it correctly that Daniyel supports Israeli's using Palestinian children as human shields while simultaneously saying there is zero evidence that the IDF has done so?

Well, there is plenty of evidence as stated in cases brought before the courts.

@Beezlebub - I Guess you are not very familiar with the outside world, 15 years of internet debate? get real, Dweeblebub.

@Coyote - You misunderstood me, my apologize, I wrote it with my mobile and couldn't edit or anything else.
I NEVER SAID IT HAPPENS, I SAID ASSUMING THIS WILL HAPPEN.

I AGREE with using of the Palestinians as human shields for saving innocents, I'm against using of human shields when it comes to saving a criminal, and abuse innocent.
Saving the innocents is the top goal for this matter, I simply side with Israelis life over a future terrorist (/supporter, or anyone else actually) since there are no other options.

As I always say, its us or them, better be us, and I'm not gonna apologize for that, and I want to make it clear, I would have no regrets at all, choosing the life of Israelis over the life of Palestinians.

Lets move on..

There are ZERO evidence of IDF using human shields, except for fabricated ones - camera angle manipulation/fake scenes/etc., mistakes/accidents - not a governmental policy [Hamas, remember?]
Please if you do happen to find any PROOF considered real in a neutral fair trial, share it with me, I might not be aware of that, or else lets put away all the 'plenty of evidence as stated in cases brought before the courts.' since they fall in the true test.
You would also like to know that:
1.It is against the law in Israel, IDF/Police/Defense Department to make use of human shields.
2.It is against the law in Israel to use force illegally.
3.It is against the law in Israel to commit any act as those in Geneva Convention, if proved be a mistake either by carelessness or pure mistake you will be punished, starting with suspension.

So take a look how we happened to discuss Israel instead of the Palestinians, something that nobody else does, even the United Nation Rocket Warehouse Agency..

I never said its a happily ever after story don't make any mistakes about that, it is a cruel ugly situation, but this is the truth and this is the world we live in, and I rather talk about it openly.

 

[WillReadmore]

There is nothing unusual about countries building walls to keep out foreigners (Saudi builds northern border fence against infiltrators - Yahoo News) and in Israel's case, the fence not only keeps out an avowed enemy you seem to prefer at Israel's throat, but saves both Israeli and Arab lives. No wonder someone like you hates it so.

Israel uses the wall to steal land that belongs to West Bank as a whole and private citizens in particular. It's route is under constant modification in doing so. Look at the Israeli maps of the wall. There is no other explanation.

It's part of the ethnic cleansing operations.

Suggesting the wall is for saving Arab lives is pure sophistry - hilarious if it wasn't for the underlying humanitarian crime.

 

[Hossfly]

There is nothing unusual about countries building walls to keep out foreigners (Saudi builds northern border fence against infiltrators - Yahoo News) and in Israel's case, the fence not only keeps out an avowed enemy you seem to prefer at Israel's throat, but saves both Israeli and Arab lives. No wonder someone like you hates it so.

Israel uses the wall to steal land that belongs to West Bank as a whole and private citizens in particular. It's route is under constant modification in doing so. Look at the Israeli maps of the wall. There is no other explanation.

It's part of the ethnic cleansing operations.

Suggesting the wall is for saving Arab lives is pure sophistry - hilarious if it wasn't for the underlying humanitarian crime.

The wall was erected to help make it hard for terrorists to come into Israel. Get real,Reader.

 

[WillReadmore]

The wall was erected to help make it hard for terrorists to come into Israel. Get real,Reader.

Then the wall would have followed the line of the time and would have been modified only to improve security.

But, that is NOT what has happened. The wall runs up river valleys and encircles desired property. It's under constant route modification to encircle more land, with plans for further encirclement for coming years even today. And, rather than the encircled land being a security buffer, it is settled by Israelis.

Fly on over to any Israeli map of the wall and its future.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Kondor3
That's not what your profile says.

But I'll take Coyote's word for it.

See the first post of the thread again and you'll understand. : )

I'm the poster formerly known as José, the most anti-zionist beaner in the history of the US Message Board.

The entire spectrum of opinions about Israel in Latin America is fully represented here.

We have:

Lipush, the ultra-zionist beaner.

And José, the anti-zionist beaner.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Coyote
"Western Palestine" - what is now Israel - has been a recognized state since 1948.

And so was apartheid South Africa. A member of the League of Nations and years later the UN.

Now I understand why you admire Rocco's posts so much. You share his insane, absurd obsession with international legalism.

As if a piece of paper could "legitimize" the dehumanization imposed by a supremacist state.

Originally posted by Coyote
After 70 years, there is no going back and changing what was done without a huge wrong to the people who have been living there for generations now.

After 330 years of continued white presence in the United States (1620-1950) America became the homeland of the descendants of the european settlers too.

But the fact that the US had become their homeland by then did not give whites any right to politically disenfranchise the black, hispanic and indian minorities let alone herd them in ethnic enclaves to preserve an artificial white majority like Israel does.

In 1980, after more than 200 years of continued presence in Africa, the Dutch and the English had every right to call South Africa their historical homeland but this didn't give them any right to keep the bantu peoples herded in black pseudo-republics.

Speaking of SA, a "huge wrong" was undone there 25 years ago and it was not followed by any other "huge wrong", no political disenfranchisement of the white population, no forced deportations, no mass killings, no nothing.

The "huge wrong" you believe is gonna happen in Palestine after the peaceful dismantlement of the jewish racial dictatorship is the result of 65 years of propaganda bombardment on the minds of westerners like you portraying the palestinian people as hordes of irrational, bloodthirsty arabs hellbent on exterminating the jewish population of Palestine.

Originally posted by Coyote
When you talk about "historic homelands" - well, that entire region was also the "historic homeland" for indiginous Jews. Both groups have a claim on it, both groups used to share it, both groups need to find a way to share it again.

This is not "sharing" by any stretch of the imagination.

This is exclusion, ethnic supremacism, dehumanization.

This is sharing.

Originally posted by Coyote
How is recognizing these realities "dehumanizing" a group due to their "ethno-religious affiliation"?

These "realities" are not real at all.

They are the rationalizations of the post-WWII dehumanising paradigm through which the palestinian people is portrayed in the West and whose influence you as an american citizen could not possibly escape from.

The fact these rationalizations were never used to "justify" white supremacism in South Africa but are used daily to "justify" jewish supremacism in Palestine is the living proof of everything I said in the OP.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Daniyel
@Beezlebub - I Guess you are not very familiar with the outside world, 15 years of internet debate? get real, Dweeblebub.

I have to reluctantly agree with Beelzebub, Daniyel.

Try to organize the train of thought of your arguments a little better.

Try to speak your mind in a more organized manner.

I know English is not your first language and trust me I feel your pain!!

Just a friendly advice.

 

[SAYIT]

But the fact that the US had become their homeland by then did not give whites any right to politically disenfranchise the black, hispanic and indian minorities let alone herd them in ethnic enclaves to preserve an artificial white majority like Israel does...
The fact these rationalizations were never used to "justify" white supremacism in South Africa but are used daily to "justify" jewish supremacism in Palestine is the living proof of everything I said in the OP.

But Israel does not "herd" her minorities into "ethnic enclaves" nor does Israel condone or support the periodic pogroms intended to allow vicious Islamists like ISIL to remind infidels that they are barely tolerated in the Muslim World.
I know you like to believe you are some kind of warrior for justice but the fact is you are just a lame propagandist for Islamist supremacy.