Debt Ceiling Increase or Spending Cuts First?

[Seawytch]

I graduated High School when I was 18 you freaking dumbass. I am 26 years of age. And since I have no stomach for liberal academia, I chose to self educate. I am a firm believer in autodidactism, or self teaching. Do not make any more assumptions about me, Seabitch.

Now see...I didn't call you any names or cast aspersions of any kind and yet you came back with the, oh so original, "seabitch". I'm cut to the quick, truly.

Good luck with the job search. Just remember...the Army is always hiring. You at least have a HS diploma or GED I assume?

Can you not read?

Sorry, missed that. Great, you're all set.

Army Careers: Ways to Serve in the Army | goarmy.com

 

[TemplarKormac]

Now see...I didn't call you any names or cast aspersions of any kind and yet you came back with the, oh so original, "seabitch". I'm cut to the quick, truly.

Good luck with the job search. Just remember...the Army is always hiring. You at least have a HS diploma or GED I assume?

You are launching queries into my personal life that I will not answer to. Debate my argument or not.

I have been debating your thread and I didn't even ask YOU the question, I asked LL.

Come on out to CA TK...I'll hire ya. It would only be seasonal, but it pays $15-17 an hour. I'll even let you squat on my land while you're here. I need people from end of April through June and again end of Sep through Nov. Come on, you can help the process of Democracy! (how fast can you type?)

LOL. Expecting me to travel 3,000 miles for you? I appreciate your offer but no. I will seek employment on my side of the Mississippi. But right now, I am the caretaker of my elderly grandmother, she takes precedence over everything else at the moment.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Now see...I didn't call you any names or cast aspersions of any kind and yet you came back with the, oh so original, "seabitch". I'm cut to the quick, truly.

Good luck with the job search. Just remember...the Army is always hiring. You at least have a HS diploma or GED I assume?

Can you not read?

Sorry, missed that. Great, you're all set.

Army Careers: Ways to Serve in the Army | goarmy.com

I appreciate your advice, but I'd soon rather place you on my ignore list. Spare me your hollow concern.

 

[Seawytch]

I graduated High School when I was 18 you freaking dumbass. I am 26 years of age. And since I have no stomach for liberal academia, I chose to self educate. I am a firm believer in autodidactism, or self teaching. Do not make any more assumptions about me, Seabitch.

Now see...I didn't call you any names or cast aspersions of any kind and yet you came back with the, oh so original, "seabitch". I'm cut to the quick, truly.

Good luck with the job search. Just remember...the Army is always hiring. You at least have a HS diploma or GED I assume?

The dummy thinks you thought he graduated HS at 24. Is he something else, or what?

The Army! Why didn't HE think of that. He can get a ceremonial saber and everything!

Self teaching? In his case, that presents a crucial personnel problem.

I meant graduation from college with a degree in economics.

I'm the last person to knock not having a college education. All my college credits were achieved through military training and CLEP exams.

I've never been unemployed, but I have gone through government shutdowns and the threat of not having a paycheck...it sucks. I feel for the guy and I WOULD hire him.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Hey, where did Carbine go? I was rather pleased with his willingness to debate my OP. Hey [MENTION=18701]NYcarbineer[/MENTION]!

 

[candycorn]

"D'oh! 8 minutes and no replies! Danger! Danger! I'd better reply to my own OP!"

He has nothing better to do.

And neither do you. Negged.

You should put that on your resume..."Can leave negative rep on an obscure message board". Your Monster.com profile (that is a board people use to look for jobs) must be a cartoon.

 

[hangover]

"**** you." "No, **** you" "No, **** you" "No, **** You"

Yeah, that's really gonna fix the problem. Sheesh!

 

[Seawytch]

You are launching queries into my personal life that I will not answer to. Debate my argument or not.

I have been debating your thread and I didn't even ask YOU the question, I asked LL.

Come on out to CA TK...I'll hire ya. It would only be seasonal, but it pays $15-17 an hour. I'll even let you squat on my land while you're here. I need people from end of April through June and again end of Sep through Nov. Come on, you can help the process of Democracy! (how fast can you type?)

LOL. Expecting me to travel 3,000 miles for you? I appreciate your offer but no. I will seek employment on my side of the Mississippi. But right now, I am the caretaker of my elderly grandmother, she takes precedence over everything else at the moment.

Darlin', I wasn't offering for me. I've have to turn away people with Stanford degrees that wanted my piddly little seasonal jobs. You're articulate and seemingly well spoken and I've got openings in a phone bank at an election office.

Hope all goes well with Grandma.

 

[Redfish]

If the debt ceiling is not raised, the government is faced with a situation where it MUST break the law,

one way or another.

1. It can either break the law by not funding the mandatory spending that is legally required to be funded, or,

2. it can break the law by somehow ignoring the debt ceiling limit.

Those are the choices.

Horseshit. there is no law that requires the govt to fund NPR, planned parenthood, or for that matter DOD. Pay the interest on the debt first, then SS, medicare, medicaid, military salaries and then decide what to pay with whatever is left. If something is left with no funding, tough shit.

There certainly is no law that requires raising the national debt, to make such a claim is the height of ignorance.

 

[nicolondon]

Do people on here actually look at the facts and figures or just regurgitate rubbish they've heard from the media!

People often confuse national debt and deficit, the actual budget deficit of the USA has fallen but it will still add to the national debt until you reach a balanced budget.

Theres no debate on whats best for a country,even Liberals like myself would still like to see balanced budgets and even surpluses, something put aside for a rainy day. But its how you get to that point and who pays.

The only way you get to a balanced budget is when the economy is strong, increasing tax receipts, less welfare benefits. To try and simply cut your way to that is self-defeating in the current economy as too much money comes out of that, it needs to be done slowly or delayed.

The GOP want cuts and no tax increases, the Dems want less cuts and increasing taxes on the richer percentage. If you look at historical precedent and economies around the world, the most successful have a strong middle class underpinning a good broad based economy.

There is however a reason why we still see other countries continuing to buy US debt, even allowing for your large national debt and deficits the economy is still No 1 in the world, the USA will always be able to service its debt, there is a lot of hysteria in the USA media and especially amongst the TP that the sky is going to fall in and the end of the USA economy is close, this to be honest is nonsense.

People need to stop this hysteria, the situation is nothing like is being portrayed, yes theres a debt problem but this has been evident for decades, the main concern for all politicians in the USA should be growth and jobs nothing else because these will give the foundation to get to that balanced budget and address the debt.

Sadly this current Washington debacle just trashes consumer and business confidence so one step forward and two steps back continues to be a yearly thing played out in Congress. Until the GOP either lose the House or come to their senses then this drag on growth will remain, indeed at this point the world just couldn't care less who is in charge so long as its just one party, that seems the only way to stop these continued Washington dramas.

 

[Redfish]

I have been debating your thread and I didn't even ask YOU the question, I asked LL.

Come on out to CA TK...I'll hire ya. It would only be seasonal, but it pays $15-17 an hour. I'll even let you squat on my land while you're here. I need people from end of April through June and again end of Sep through Nov. Come on, you can help the process of Democracy! (how fast can you type?)

LOL. Expecting me to travel 3,000 miles for you? I appreciate your offer but no. I will seek employment on my side of the Mississippi. But right now, I am the caretaker of my elderly grandmother, she takes precedence over everything else at the moment.

Darlin', I wasn't offering for me. I've have to turn away people with Stanford degrees that wanted my piddly little seasonal jobs. You're articulate and seemingly well spoken and I've got openings in a phone bank at an election office.

Hope all goes well with Grandma.

LOL, a phone bank for a lesbian help line-----------what a wonderful opportunity

 

[Geaux4it]

Go back a page and look at the video I posted from Barry Schiff. He has been right on with his calls in the past, and I suspect he is right about the debe limit farce

-Geaux

 

[Redfish]

Do people on here actually look at the facts and figures or just regurgitate rubbish they've heard from the media!

People often confuse national debt and deficit, the actual budget deficit of the USA has fallen but it will still add to the national debt until you reach a balanced budget.

Theres no debate on whats best for a country,even Liberals like myself would still like to see balanced budgets and even surpluses, something put aside for a rainy day. But its how you get to that point and who pays.

The only way you get to a balanced budget is when the economy is strong, increasing tax receipts, less welfare benefits. To try and simply cut your way to that is self-defeating in the current economy as too much money comes out of that, it needs to be done slowly or delayed.

The GOP want cuts and no tax increases, the Dems want less cuts and increasing taxes on the richer percentage. If you look at historical precedent and economies around the world, the most successful have a strong middle class underpinning a good broad based economy.

There is however a reason why we still see other countries continuing to buy US debt, even allowing for your large national debt and deficits the economy is still No 1 in the world, the USA will always be able to service its debt, there is a lot of hysteria in the USA media and especially amongst the TP that the sky is going to fall in and the end of the USA economy is close, this to be honest is nonsense.

People need to stop this hysteria, the situation is nothing like is being portrayed, yes theres a debt problem but this has been evident for decades, the main concern for all politicians in the USA should be growth and jobs nothing else because these will give the foundation to get to that balanced budget and address the debt.

Sadly this current Washington debacle just trashes consumer and business confidence so one step forward and two steps back continues to be a yearly thing played out in Congress. Until the GOP either lose the House or come to their senses then this drag on growth will remain, indeed at this point the world just couldn't care less who is in charge so long as its just one party, that seems the only way to stop these continued Washington dramas.

you make some valid points. the current impasse in DC is because there are two ideas on how to attack the problem, that coupled with one side wanting to force ACA and the other wanting to slow it down and try to fix it.

But thats the way our govt is supposed to work, checks and balances, compromise, debate, discussion, openness.

the current administration has chosen to rule by dictate and innuendo rather than allow the legislative process to proceed as it should.

 

[Seawytch]

LOL. Expecting me to travel 3,000 miles for you? I appreciate your offer but no. I will seek employment on my side of the Mississippi. But right now, I am the caretaker of my elderly grandmother, she takes precedence over everything else at the moment.

Darlin', I wasn't offering for me. I've have to turn away people with Stanford degrees that wanted my piddly little seasonal jobs. You're articulate and seemingly well spoken and I've got openings in a phone bank at an election office.

Hope all goes well with Grandma.

LOL, a phone bank for a lesbian help line-----------what a wonderful opportunity

No, an elections office. Did you need help? You do seem to have a fixation. Not sure if there is really a help line for you...just porn.

10 things not to say to a lesbian

 

[Redfish]

Darlin', I wasn't offering for me. I've have to turn away people with Stanford degrees that wanted my piddly little seasonal jobs. You're articulate and seemingly well spoken and I've got openings in a phone bank at an election office.

Hope all goes well with Grandma.

LOL, a phone bank for a lesbian help line-----------what a wonderful opportunity

No, an elections office. Did you need help? You do seem to have a fixation. Not sure if there is really a help line for you...just porn.

10 things not to say to a lesbian

lighten up, wytchey. jokin with ya. whose election are you pushing with your election office?

BTW, you take yourself way too seriously, could be a mental problem.

 

[candycorn]

Do people on here actually look at the facts and figures or just regurgitate rubbish they've heard from the media!

People often confuse national debt and deficit, the actual budget deficit of the USA has fallen but it will still add to the national debt until you reach a balanced budget.

Theres no debate on whats best for a country,even Liberals like myself would still like to see balanced budgets and even surpluses, something put aside for a rainy day. But its how you get to that point and who pays.

The only way you get to a balanced budget is when the economy is strong, increasing tax receipts, less welfare benefits. To try and simply cut your way to that is self-defeating in the current economy as too much money comes out of that, it needs to be done slowly or delayed.

The GOP want cuts and no tax increases, the Dems want less cuts and increasing taxes on the richer percentage. If you look at historical precedent and economies around the world, the most successful have a strong middle class underpinning a good broad based economy.

There is however a reason why we still see other countries continuing to buy US debt, even allowing for your large national debt and deficits the economy is still No 1 in the world, the USA will always be able to service its debt, there is a lot of hysteria in the USA media and especially amongst the TP that the sky is going to fall in and the end of the USA economy is close, this to be honest is nonsense.

People need to stop this hysteria, the situation is nothing like is being portrayed, yes theres a debt problem but this has been evident for decades, the main concern for all politicians in the USA should be growth and jobs nothing else because these will give the foundation to get to that balanced budget and address the debt.

Sadly this current Washington debacle just trashes consumer and business confidence so one step forward and two steps back continues to be a yearly thing played out in Congress. Until the GOP either lose the House or come to their senses then this drag on growth will remain, indeed at this point the world just couldn't care less who is in charge so long as its just one party, that seems the only way to stop these continued Washington dramas.

Both parties are out to lunch fiscally so I became a values voter about 10 years ago.

We should have a diamond shaped economy with few at the top doing very well and few at the bottom doing poorly. Instead, we have an hour glass shaped economy where you have plenty doing well and plenty doing poorly and people like me in the middle who do not have a wide berth to go in either direction if you think about it.

I will say that the tenor of the GOP and their mouthpieces here seem to be just fine with it while the liberals like myself recognize the problem and wish to fix it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I can only go by what you actually say; I would think you would prefer that is how I interpret what you do say.

Am I to now believe that you consider raising the debt ceiling non-negotiable?

I consider raising the debt ceiling to be irresponsible. It is a means to allow more borrowing and thus more spending without any fiscal restraint whatsoever.

But you 1) called not raising the debt ceiling a crisis, and 2) that you were not willing to accept any outcome which results in a crisis.

So how can you accept not raising the debt ceiling but also not accept any outcome that results in a crisis?

Another false dilemma argument. This is also a red herring. I didn't ask you to critique my grammar, Carbine. No, I called RAISING IT a crisis. Since it will result in further so-labeled "crises" down the road. That is unacceptable, Carbine. Sigh, just when I had hope for you.

 

[Seawytch]

LOL, a phone bank for a lesbian help line-----------what a wonderful opportunity

No, an elections office. Did you need help? You do seem to have a fixation. Not sure if there is really a help line for you...just porn.

10 things not to say to a lesbian

lighten up, wytchey. jokin with ya. whose election are you pushing with your election office?

BTW, you take yourself way too seriously, could be a mental problem.

I'm not pushing for anyone's election...I work for a county registrar.

No, I don't take myself too seriously, but you ARE too fixated on my being gay. You bring it up at every opportunity. Seriously, what do you need to know that will satisfy this insatiable hunger you have for the details of the lesbian life?

 

[TemplarKormac]

He has nothing better to do.

And neither do you. Negged.

You should put that on your resume..."Can leave negative rep on an obscure message board". Your Monster.com profile (that is a board people use to look for jobs) must be a cartoon.

You should just shut your trap. Zip it. You've done nothing but try to antagonize me. I know your mental fortitude is severely lacking, but please, go be stupid somewhere else.

 

[Seawytch]

I consider raising the debt ceiling to be irresponsible. It is a means to allow more borrowing and thus more spending without any fiscal restraint whatsoever.

But you 1) called not raising the debt ceiling a crisis, and 2) that you were not willing to accept any outcome which results in a crisis.

So how can you accept not raising the debt ceiling but also not accept any outcome that results in a crisis?

Another false dilemma argument. This is also a red herring. I didn't ask you to critique my grammar, Carbine. No, I called RAISING IT a crisis. Since it will result in further so-labeled "crises" down the road. Sigh, just when I had hope for you.

Raising it is not the crisis. Do you understand the debt ceiling is the money Congress has already agreed to spend?

I know conservatives like the bullshit "household budget" analogies (even though government or even business is nothing like a household budget) so how's this...

Would you say "I'm not paying my heating bill until you agree to stop buying clothes."?