Death By Firing Squad, in a Nonmilitary case, Odd.

[Nosmo King]

Ya know I am not for execution with dignity. Most cases the people on death row committed some fucked up murders. Why should the criminal have a death any less brutal or painful or LONG?

Death by firing squad. I hope they get some marksmen to nick a few vital organs and let him bleed out. Slowly

Because cruel and un-unsual punishment is unconstitutional.

It's bad enough that the state sanctions the taking of life. It shouldn't further lower itself to inflict misery on the condemned.

I disagree. The only reason I would be for NOT sentencing a scumbag murderer to death by the very means he/she inflicted upon his/her victim is so I could put them in a cell in general population with a dude named "Lee-Roy".

How much concern did said predator show for the Rights of said predator's victim? Yet we as a society are supposed to be all concerned about the Rights of the predator?

Not.

Bundy should have been hanged, drawn and quartered and it STILL would have been too merciful.

Cherry picking the constitution, eh? Let me know when it's my turn!

 

[syrenn]

Ya know I am not for execution with dignity. Most cases the people on death row committed some fucked up murders. Why should the criminal have a death any less brutal or painful or LONG?

Death by firing squad. I hope they get some marksmen to nick a few vital organs and let him bleed out. Slowly

So that bit in the Constitution about cruel and unusual punishment doesn't mean that much, eh?

funny, I thought that 'well regulated militia' part is held in the same regards

Well I have no knowledge of mailitia's so that statement doesn't mean much to me.

Yea the bit in the Constitution didn't quite foresee what scope of murdered is today.

For example here we had a 13 year old girl kidnapped and taken deep into the woods, reaped, beaten and her arms cut off just above the elbows and left to die. She walked 10 hours until she found a road and passed out.

Cruel and usual?

I was for doing the same to him and seeing if he lived to tell the tail, AND then put him in jail for the crime.

 

[Nosmo King]

Ya know I am not for execution with dignity. Most cases the people on death row committed some fucked up murders. Why should the criminal have a death any less brutal or painful or LONG?

Death by firing squad. I hope they get some marksmen to nick a few vital organs and let him bleed out. Slowly

So that bit in the Constitution about cruel and unusual punishment doesn't mean that much, eh?

funny, I thought that 'well regulated militia' part is held in the same regards

Well I have no knowledge of mailitia's so that statement doesn't mean much to me.

Yea the bit in the Constitution didn't quite foresee what scope of murdered is today.

For example here we had a 13 year old girl kidnapped and taken deep into the woods, reaped, beaten and her arms cut off just above the elbows and left to die. She walked 10 hours until she found a road and passed out.

Cruel and usual?

I was for doing the same to him and seeing if he lived to tell the tail, AND then put him in jail for the crime.

read the Bill of Rights.

 

[syrenn]

So that bit in the Constitution about cruel and unusual punishment doesn't mean that much, eh?

funny, I thought that 'well regulated militia' part is held in the same regards

Well I have no knowledge of mailitia's so that statement doesn't mean much to me.

Yea the bit in the Constitution didn't quite foresee what scope of murdered is today.

For example here we had a 13 year old girl kidnapped and taken deep into the woods, reaped, beaten and her arms cut off just above the elbows and left to die. She walked 10 hours until she found a road and passed out.

Cruel and usual?

I was for doing the same to him and seeing if he lived to tell the tail, AND then put him in jail for the crime.

read the Bill of Rights.

LOL yes I know all about it. Try again.

IN MY OPINION criminals HAVE no rights, the give them up when they break the law. I will wait patiently until a violent crime is committed against you and your and wonder how you feel about things then.

 

[Nosmo King]

Well I have no knowledge of mailitia's so that statement doesn't mean much to me.

Yea the bit in the Constitution didn't quite foresee what scope of murdered is today.

For example here we had a 13 year old girl kidnapped and taken deep into the woods, reaped, beaten and her arms cut off just above the elbows and left to die. She walked 10 hours until she found a road and passed out.

Cruel and usual?

I was for doing the same to him and seeing if he lived to tell the tail, AND then put him in jail for the crime.

read the Bill of Rights.

LOL yes I know all about it. Try again.

IN MY OPINION criminals HAVE no rights, the give them up when they break the law. I will wait patiently until a violent crime is committed against you and your and wonder how you feel about things then.

You know that one is innocent until proven guilty, right? Breaking the law doesn't abrogate rights. It compells rights to be enforced.

 

[syrenn]

read the Bill of Rights.

LOL yes I know all about it. Try again.

IN MY OPINION criminals HAVE no rights, the give them up when they break the law. I will wait patiently until a violent crime is committed against you and your and wonder how you feel about things then.

You know that one is innocent until proven guilty, right? Breaking the law doesn't abrogate rights. It compells rights to be enforced.

Yes i know that. And IMO when they are found guilty and sentenced to death they should be treated just the same as they gave out.

 

[Nosmo King]

LOL yes I know all about it. Try again.

IN MY OPINION criminals HAVE no rights, the give them up when they break the law. I will wait patiently until a violent crime is committed against you and your and wonder how you feel about things then.

You know that one is innocent until proven guilty, right? Breaking the law doesn't abrogate rights. It compels rights to be enforced.

Yes i know that. And IMO when they are found guilty and sentenced to death they should be treated just the same as they gave out.

so...the state has no responsibility to set an example? You want cruel death meted out like the streets and done in the name of the people of your state? Do you think Sharia Law is Byzantine and cruel? If you let street law run the penal system, wouldn't it be considered a step back wards for civilization?

 

[George Costanza]

I really enjoy these Compassionate Conservative threads. It's probably the main thing I like about conservatives - they're just so nice.

 

[Liability]

I really enjoy these Compassionate Conservative threads. It's probably the main thing I like about conservatives - they're just so nice.

You have a point. It is undeniably so much nicer to let the murderers live out their lives behind bars (or until parole comes along).

And if a guy serving back to back sentences of life with no possibility of parole happens to maim or kill a fellow inmate or a corrections' officer who came to the aid of an assaulted inmate, we might have some twinges of regret for the victims (and the family or families of the victims) but, well, at least we can sleep easier at night knowing that WE were nice in not putting such murderers down as we might do in the case of dangerous wild animals.

As long as we "feel" nice. That's that's what counts, after all.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. I like the idea of going mid-evil on these murdering bastards!
2. Start em out on the rack, pull em apart nearly.
3. Then drag em over to the, *Guilatine*.
4. Whack er head off at de shoulders, its the least we should be doing.
5. Quick and easy, maybe too quick,...???


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[westwall]

Ya know I am not for execution with dignity. Most cases the people on death row committed some fucked up murders. Why should the criminal have a death any less brutal or painful or LONG?

Death by firing squad. I hope they get some marksmen to nick a few vital organs and let him bleed out. Slowly

Because cruel and un-unsual punishment is unconstitutional.

It's bad enough that the state sanctions the taking of life. It shouldn't further lower itself to inflict misery on the condemned.

"To show compassion to a murderer is an insult to his victims" Walpurgis III author Mike Resnick.

 

[westwall]

What does that image of the late scumbag, Ted Bundy, prove?

Two things:

1st: They did an autopsy or at least removed his brain.
2nd: That the amount of current going through his body was enough to fry his tissue.

That the jolt comes with some burning?

Somehow I doubt the sensation on his fucking scalp is the thing going through an electrocuted scumbag's "mind."

What does that have to do with anything? We are talking about what is cruel and unusual punishment at the hands of the state. Bundy's execution apparently wasn't problematic. Many of them have been, which is why lethal injection is the new standard.

More at the link. There are some graphic pictures for those with weak stomachs.

Botched Executions In The USA

And if we gave it some thought, we could probably arrange to execute scumbags like Ted Bundy in a way that would permit the last thing that goes through HIS mind to be HIS asshole.

I am not a lawyer, but I thought justice and not vengeance was the guiding principle behind executions.

The US has a "legal system" it is far far far from a justice system. I do agree that the states' taking of a life should be extremely difficult. No death sentences should be allowed for cases built solely on circumstantial evidence etc. In no case should execution be a possibility if there is the slightest doubt about the guilt or innocence.

However, in cases like Bundy, or Dahmer, or Ridgeway.....once sentence is passed execution is carried out within one week of the hearing...by whatever method the victims family agrees on.

I don't really care whether it is cruel or unusual....the criminal obviously didn't care about his victim so why should we care about him?

 

[geauxtohell]

Sorry bout that,


1. I like the idea of going mid-evil on these murdering bastards!
2. Start em out on the rack, pull em apart nearly.
3. Then drag em over to the, *Guilatine*.
4. Whack er head off at de shoulders, its the least we should be doing.
5. Quick and easy, maybe too quick,...???


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

If you can't spell guillotine*, you automatically forfeit your vote.

Sincerely,

The Death Panel.

*Though the guillotine is inarguably more gory but also inarguably more humane than the electric chair.

 

[geauxtohell]

What does that image of the late scumbag, Ted Bundy, prove?

Two things:

1st: They did an autopsy or at least removed his brain.
2nd: That the amount of current going through his body was enough to fry his tissue.



What does that have to do with anything? We are talking about what is cruel and unusual punishment at the hands of the state. Bundy's execution apparently wasn't problematic. Many of them have been, which is why lethal injection is the new standard.

More at the link. There are some graphic pictures for those with weak stomachs.

Botched Executions In The USA

And if we gave it some thought, we could probably arrange to execute scumbags like Ted Bundy in a way that would permit the last thing that goes through HIS mind to be HIS asshole.

I am not a lawyer, but I thought justice and not vengeance was the guiding principle behind executions.

The US has a "legal system" it is far far far from a justice system. I do agree that the states' taking of a life should be extremely difficult. No death sentences should be allowed for cases built solely on circumstantial evidence etc. In no case should execution be a possibility if there is the slightest doubt about the guilt or innocence.

However, in cases like Bundy, or Dahmer, or Ridgeway.....once sentence is passed execution is carried out within one week of the hearing...by whatever method the victims family agrees on.

I don't really care whether it is cruel or unusual....the criminal obviously didn't care about his victim so why should we care about him?

When you step back and look at it, the legal standard you are arguing for is completely unworkable. Who determines what is truly heinous (and warrants extreme prejudice) and what is only "run of the mill prejudice". Ever read "To Kill A Mockingbird"? If a black man rapes a white woman is that more heinous than if a white man rapes a white woman? If so, than why? It's too subjective to be fairly applied. We already have a deficit of fairness in the justice system. Look at the odds of a black defendent versus a white defendent. Hell, look at the odds of a rich defendent versus a poor defendent. No need to make the issue more complicated.

As for cruel and unusual; you might not care. The law of the land does. Thankfully.

 

[Gunny]

Because cruel and un-unsual punishment is unconstitutional.

It's bad enough that the state sanctions the taking of life. It shouldn't further lower itself to inflict misery on the condemned.

I disagree. The only reason I would be for NOT sentencing a scumbag murderer to death by the very means he/she inflicted upon his/her victim is so I could put them in a cell in general population with a dude named "Lee-Roy".

How much concern did said predator show for the Rights of said predator's victim? Yet we as a society are supposed to be all concerned about the Rights of the predator?

Not.

Bundy should have been hanged, drawn and quartered and it STILL would have been too merciful.

Cherry picking the constitution, eh? Let me know when it's my turn!

I didn't cherry pick shit, bitch. Let me guess ... you think I don't have the right to keep and bear arms ...

"Cruel and unusual" depends on your Depends, bubba.

When you leftwinggoobs get a clue about the Constitution, let me know, huh? Last I checked your messiah is all about defiling and deficating on it. Guess he couldn't find some Charmin to wipe his ass with.

Oh wait ... this just in ... O blah blah is making another trip to the Gulf ....

Get real, huh ....

 

[Ringel05]

I would rather get the firing squad than the gas chamber or the electric chair.

All three are better than death by bunga bunga.

 

[nraforlife]

Utah man facing firing squad seeks federal stay - Yahoo! News

They are VERY serious about without the shedding of blood their can be no remission of sin.

 

[Political Junky]

I'd choose a firing squad too. I'd be dead instantly.

 

[westwall]

Two things:

1st: They did an autopsy or at least removed his brain.
2nd: That the amount of current going through his body was enough to fry his tissue.



What does that have to do with anything? We are talking about what is cruel and unusual punishment at the hands of the state. Bundy's execution apparently wasn't problematic. Many of them have been, which is why lethal injection is the new standard.

More at the link. There are some graphic pictures for those with weak stomachs.

Botched Executions In The USA



I am not a lawyer, but I thought justice and not vengeance was the guiding principle behind executions.

The US has a "legal system" it is far far far from a justice system. I do agree that the states' taking of a life should be extremely difficult. No death sentences should be allowed for cases built solely on circumstantial evidence etc. In no case should execution be a possibility if there is the slightest doubt about the guilt or innocence.

However, in cases like Bundy, or Dahmer, or Ridgeway.....once sentence is passed execution is carried out within one week of the hearing...by whatever method the victims family agrees on.

I don't really care whether it is cruel or unusual....the criminal obviously didn't care about his victim so why should we care about him?

When you step back and look at it, the legal standard you are arguing for is completely unworkable. Who determines what is truly heinous (and warrants extreme prejudice) and what is only "run of the mill prejudice". Ever read "To Kill A Mockingbird"? If a black man rapes a white woman is that more heinous than if a white man rapes a white woman? If so, than why? It's too subjective to be fairly applied. We already have a deficit of fairness in the justice system. Look at the odds of a black defendent versus a white defendent. Hell, look at the odds of a rich defendent versus a poor defendent. No need to make the issue more complicated.

As for cruel and unusual; you might not care. The law of the land does. Thankfully.

Actually it's not. Have the people set what in their minds are reasonable standards and apply them equally to everyone. I find the idea of a hate crime absurd. It doesn't matter to the people laying in the hospital or worse whether the A Hole who beat/shot/stabbed them called them a bad name while he/she was doing it...the pain suffered is the same to all. Punish all violent offenders harshly. Non-violent people should not be in prison. Prison is for the violent and you keep them there. I would never let a rapist or murderer or pedophile out of prison...they can rot there.

 

[ErikViking]

I am against death penalty. But if my government decided to kill a citizen it would feel much worse if the intention was revenge. I don't want my government ever to take revenge on citizens on behalf of other citizens.

The strength of a society is that it can be more than the sum of its individuals. By letting the society act as it has individual emotions takes some of that strength away.

As for executing people by shooting them... no, I don't like it at all. It has no real point. What it does is nothing but shredding the heart to peices in a split second. Nothing more. It is no magic in being shot. You bleed out really fast. Like having the heart run through with a pole.