Darwinism & Creationism should be banned in school!

[geauxtohell]

I've got an idea. Now hear me out:

Those of you who were too lazy to try and study science to the degree that you don't even understand scientific methodology can just opt out of criticizing the field with your idiotic misconceptions, and the rest of us will carry on without you.

 

[HUGGY]

My opinion is that nor Evolution nor Creation should be taught in classroom! because:

Science has to explain/describe cellular division, chemical reaction, observation...it's not the task of science to explain WHO RUN biological process .

Evolution and Creation are both metaphysical hypothesis that should spared from teachings.

Evolution think that CHANCE run the biological process, and life has emerged by accident!!
Creation think INTELLIGENT FORCE should be behind the existence and complex biological process of species.

Science has the task to answer why? and how? chemical elements are reacting in cell and organism...it should not ask: WHO do it? because it's metaphisical subject.

After Graduation, students would get the choice to be evolutionists (think that chance and NS behind biologic process) or creationist (think that an intelligent power run this complex process).

many countries have cancelled darwinism in schools, because it will indoctrinate children instead teaching them the necessary.

Darwinism/creationism is a Byzantine debate that should be limited in think tank and religious forums.

OK you asshats that think I'm unreasonable for my throrough hatred for religion!!!!

This is the kind of willfull destruction of the fabric and intelligence of the human species I protest.

 

[amrchaos]

I have a question, Freeman

What do you call an Intelligent force? The reason I ask this question is because, it is possbile for a system to have a complex equillibrium. If some just happen to stuble upon it, they would exclaim someone made it, but such systems do occur in nature.

 

[JBeukema]

My opinion is that nor Evolution nor Creation .

With that display of illiteracy, you showed that there is no reason to read further.

 

[geauxtohell]

My opinion is that nor Evolution nor Creation .

With that display of illiteracy, you showed that there is no reason to read further.

I suspect English is his second language.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

This is a slippery slope, first they want to ban Darwin, then they want to ban Mendeleyev and Lavosior (sp) and from there they want to ban Leibnitz and Newton. And from there Copernicus and Gallaleio.

There ultimate goal is to get us back to the level where we are using obsidian axes and living in caves.

 

[jillian]

absurd,
how you may observe that life emerged by accident, and ONLY chance and NS guide biologic process.

morever, can you explain what's the importance to teach children that a cell is formed by chance or created by god?? absolutely nothing!

We may be good doctor despite denying evolution and we may be bad doctor- biologist even if we believe on evolution.

Darwinism/creationism are just two doctrines, not science!

Life couldn't have emerged by accident you say?

Okay.

Then where did your GOD come from?

the god of evolutionists is "chance" and "dice game", the god of creationists is "the bible God"!
both are doctrines that can't be proved. evolutionnists spent their entire career to create life in labs without result;

Eisnstein said it clearly "We never may prove that he doesn't exist"

Evolution is not natural science, According to Gallup poll 45% of scientists reject evolution as only Chance guide the biologic process.

a vile anti-semitic pig like you has no business talking about g-d under any set of circumstances.

a poll of people as ignorant as you are doesn't make evolution illegitimate... it just makes you stupid.

 

[JBeukema]

This is a slippery slope, first they want to ban Darwin, then they want to ban Mendeleyev and Lavosior (sp) and from there they want to ban Leibnitz and Newton. And from there Copernicus and Gallaleio.

There ultimate goal is to get us back to the level where we are using obsidian axes and living in caves.

Is it sad that I only recognized about half of those names?

 

[bodecea]

Darwinism/creationism is a Byzantine debate that should be limited in think tank and religious forums.

science is interested in the what... not the why. religion isn't a scientific inquiry, nutbar.

but feel free to provide a credible link to those countries have 'canceled darwinism in schools'... except for in madrassas, of course.

luckily your opinion is as meaningful as my left pinkie toe.

Romania are from the latest countries to remove darwinist doctrine in schools

MINA Breaking News - Romania removes theory of evolution from school curriculum

By all means, let's be like Romania.....

 

[Samson]

science is interested in the what... not the why. religion isn't a scientific inquiry, nutbar.

but feel free to provide a credible link to those countries have 'canceled darwinism in schools'... except for in madrassas, of course.

luckily your opinion is as meaningful as my left pinkie toe.

Romania are from the latest countries to remove darwinist doctrine in schools

MINA Breaking News - Romania removes theory of evolution from school curriculum

By all means, let's be like Romania.....

We could also have Vouchers...then we could be like Meximania!!

 

[Baruch Menachem]

This is a slippery slope, first they want to ban Darwin, then they want to ban Mendeleyev and Lavosior (sp) and from there they want to ban Leibnitz and Newton. And from there Copernicus and Gallaleio.

There ultimate goal is to get us back to the level where we are using obsidian axes and living in caves.

Is it sad that I only recognized about half of those names?

I don't spell very well

So don't sweat it.

It is ideas they hate, so keep the torch of learning burning

 

[code1211]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I expect from the "we want our country back" crowd.
Here is the main difference between teaching "magical creation" and "scientific evolution".

Magical creation - Gawd did it. There, that's it. You've learned it all. That's every bit of knowledge, research and study discovered and available.

Now, let's give equal weight to evolution. That means years of study, thousands of textbooks, research and data. Because "evolution" is the foundation science of biology, botany and physiology. "Magical creation" is the foundation of "church".

Since it's so easy to teach "magical creation", we'll just leave that to the parents. The other stuff they can learn in school.

When I say, "I want my country back", I mean from the morons who are lying to us on a daily basis and pandering to the misinformed, creating and expanding rifts between social and economic groups, and claiming that increased spending is reduced spending.

The "My Country" statement is just that we were told if we worked hard and didn't do stupid things, we could make a good living and, like our forefathers, create a better furute for our children.

By contrast, we are now being told that there will never be enough work to employ our population, there will always be a chronically disfunctional segment of society and we will need to support them in their disfunction while looking forward to unending days of national decline in a world rising above us.

We are now told that our country will never be Number 1 and we will never be the best. In fact, we are told, we never were the best in the first place. We have always been oppressers and thieves and bullies. Our motives have always been dark and our methods have always been devious. Our founders were hypocrites, our history is lies and our future is forfeit due to the sins of our past. We are, in short, evil and somewhat perverted both as individuals and as a society.

I reject this notion. I reject the foundation of this notion. I reject the people who hold it forth and I reject the spirit of defeatism that inspires it.

I am an American. Damn it!

Americans are innovative, creative, problem solving, competitive, proud, adventurous and successful. We do things that nobody can do. Things that nobody ever thought could be done. We defeat despotism, build the Panama Canal and land on the Moon.

Americans do not surrender and do not retreat from their mission which is simply to be the beacon of freedom for the rest of the world shining brightly with the wealth and vigor that comes from hard work, hard choices and rock hard determination.

I look around me and I see people filled with hope that are told daily by their leaders that their dreams are empty, their hopes are baseless and their future is bleak. They look to leaders for hope and are told that America has let them down and that individual effort is wasted because the problems are too big. They are told that there is no use in working because the fight is already over and they have lost.

I don't like a country that has abandoned hope. I don't like a country comprised of collectives instead of individuals. I don't like a country where the leaders are lying manipulators who govern through fear and hate instead of hope and love.

I like a country where a person can work and make a difference. I like a country where the future is bright. I like a country that does those things that are hard because only we can do them. I like MY country!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

Yeah because Obama told you all this this with his "Yes we can" ideas huh?


The funny thing is you are buying a pant Load of lies to pretend the left is saying any of the CRAP you claim it is saying.

Tell me on which points I'm not accurately understanding what the left is saying.

 

[Diuretic]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I expect from the "we want our country back" crowd.
Here is the main difference between teaching "magical creation" and "scientific evolution".

Magical creation - Gawd did it. There, that's it. You've learned it all. That's every bit of knowledge, research and study discovered and available.

Now, let's give equal weight to evolution. That means years of study, thousands of textbooks, research and data. Because "evolution" is the foundation science of biology, botany and physiology. "Magical creation" is the foundation of "church".

Since it's so easy to teach "magical creation", we'll just leave that to the parents. The other stuff they can learn in school.

When I say, "I want my country back", I mean from the morons who are lying to us on a daily basis and pandering to the misinformed, creating and expanding rifts between social and economic groups, and claiming that increased spending is reduced spending.

The "My Country" statement is just that we were told if we worked hard and didn't do stupid things, we could make a good living and, like our forefathers, create a better future for our children.

By contrast, we are now being told that there will never be enough work to employ our population, there will always be a chronically disfunctional segment of society and we will need to support them in their disfunction while looking forward to unending days of national decline in a world rising above us.

We are now told that our country will never be Number 1 and we will never be the best. In fact, we are told, we never were the best in the first place. We have always been oppressers and thieves and bullies. Our motives have always been dark and our methods have always been devious. Our founders were hypocrites, our history is lies and our future is forfeit due to the sins of our past. We are, in short, evil and somewhat perverted both as individuals and as a society.

I reject this notion. I reject the foundation of this notion. I reject the people who hold it forth and I reject the spirit of defeatism that inspires it.

I am an American. Damn it!

Americans are innovative, creative, problem solving, competitive, proud, adventurous and successful. We do things that nobody can do. Things that nobody ever thought could be done. We defeat despotism, build the Panama Canal and land on the Moon.

Americans do not surrender and do not retreat from their mission which is simply to be the beacon of freedom for the rest of the world shining brightly with the wealth and vigor that comes from hard work, hard choices and rock hard determination.

I look around me and I see people filled with hope that are told daily by their leaders that their dreams are empty, their hopes are baseless and their future is bleak. They look to leaders for hope and are told that America has let them down and that individual effort is wasted because the problems are too big. They are told that there is no use in working because the fight is already over and they have lost.

I don't like a country that has abandoned hope. I don't like a country comprised of collectives instead of individuals. I don't like a country where the leaders are lying manipulators who govern through fear and hate instead of hope and love.

I like a country where a person can work and make a difference. I like a country where the future is bright. I like a country that does those things that are hard because only we can do them. I like MY country!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

Stirring but not quite correct. The historical truth about nations is preferable to the misty-eyed stuff. We can all learn from the real history, we learn nothing from the rose-tinted view.

 

[rdean]

This is a slippery slope, first they want to ban Darwin, then they want to ban Mendeleyev and Lavosior (sp) and from there they want to ban Leibnitz and Newton. And from there Copernicus and Gallaleio.

There ultimate goal is to get us back to the level where we are using obsidian axes and living in caves.

They just want to prepare our souls for the day Jesus comes back and we all float up into heaven. Well, not all. Just the ones that haven't been contaminated with science and knowledge.

 

[HUGGY]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I expect from the "we want our country back" crowd.
Here is the main difference between teaching "magical creation" and "scientific evolution".

Magical creation - Gawd did it. There, that's it. You've learned it all. That's every bit of knowledge, research and study discovered and available.

Now, let's give equal weight to evolution. That means years of study, thousands of textbooks, research and data. Because "evolution" is the foundation science of biology, botany and physiology. "Magical creation" is the foundation of "church".

Since it's so easy to teach "magical creation", we'll just leave that to the parents. The other stuff they can learn in school.

When I say, "I want my country back", I mean from the morons who are lying to us on a daily basis and pandering to the misinformed, creating and expanding rifts between social and economic groups, and claiming that increased spending is reduced spending.

The "My Country" statement is just that we were told if we worked hard and didn't do stupid things, we could make a good living and, like our forefathers, create a better future for our children.

By contrast, we are now being told that there will never be enough work to employ our population, there will always be a chronically disfunctional segment of society and we will need to support them in their disfunction while looking forward to unending days of national decline in a world rising above us.

We are now told that our country will never be Number 1 and we will never be the best. In fact, we are told, we never were the best in the first place. We have always been oppressers and thieves and bullies. Our motives have always been dark and our methods have always been devious. Our founders were hypocrites, our history is lies and our future is forfeit due to the sins of our past. We are, in short, evil and somewhat perverted both as individuals and as a society.

I reject this notion. I reject the foundation of this notion. I reject the people who hold it forth and I reject the spirit of defeatism that inspires it.

I am an American. Damn it!

Americans are innovative, creative, problem solving, competitive, proud, adventurous and successful. We do things that nobody can do. Things that nobody ever thought could be done. We defeat despotism, build the Panama Canal and land on the Moon.

Americans do not surrender and do not retreat from their mission which is simply to be the beacon of freedom for the rest of the world shining brightly with the wealth and vigor that comes from hard work, hard choices and rock hard determination.

I look around me and I see people filled with hope that are told daily by their leaders that their dreams are empty, their hopes are baseless and their future is bleak. They look to leaders for hope and are told that America has let them down and that individual effort is wasted because the problems are too big. They are told that there is no use in working because the fight is already over and they have lost.

I don't like a country that has abandoned hope. I don't like a country comprised of collectives instead of individuals. I don't like a country where the leaders are lying manipulators who govern through fear and hate instead of hope and love.

I like a country where a person can work and make a difference. I like a country where the future is bright. I like a country that does those things that are hard because only we can do them. I like MY country!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

What country is that? You have had your feelings hurt and all you want is to click the heels of your ruby slippers and all will be well. Call the waaambulance

Do you think Bill Gates pined over the naysayers of our nation when he built Microsoft? Not so...he and Paul Allen thanked thier luckey stars that they found that poor boob that invented DOS and they could go to Gates Daddy for the 50,000 dollars to buy the unfortunate guys program and convince IBM that they had the key to the kingdom..which they did. Nope they began thier enterprise sitting around in a rented house on the shores of Lake Washington smoking pot and snorting cocaine and gloating over thier exreme good fortune. I even contributed to Gates comfort in a small way helping build his mansions computer controlled window shades blinds and moving screens thruought the place. Oh ya and there was that little period in my life when I I smuggled much of the party favors into Seattle keeping tabs on who got my goods.

No...there was no good old days when you count the whole score..you just want to remember the touchdowns and ignore the fact we were playing against the junior high jv team. Rah!!!...Rah!!!!!

Hey I love america as much as anybody. I just see the spirits of slaves and starving diseased native americans in those nooks and crannies between the concrete pedistals we errect for our self engrandizment. I can't and won't deny that our good fortune was built on thier destruction.

 

[Samson]

Hey I love america as much as anybody. I just see the spirits of slaves and starving diseased native americans in those nooks and crannies between the concrete pedistals we errect for our self engrandizment. I can't and won't deny that our good fortune was built on thier destruction.

The "concret pedistals" are phallus symbols.

And its been a long time since we've erected one.

 

[Father Time]

"
Evolution think that CHANCE run the biological process, and life has emerged by accident!!"

Genetic mutations may be chance but natural selection isn't chance and that's a big part of it. Also evolution says nothing about when or how life emerged.

 

[Father Time]

absurd,
how you may observe that life emerged by accident, and ONLY chance and NS guide biologic process.

morever, can you explain what's the importance to teach children that a cell is formed by chance or created by god?? absolutely nothing!

We may be good doctor despite denying evolution and we may be bad doctor- biologist even if we believe on evolution.

Darwinism/creationism are just two doctrines, not science!

Life couldn't have emerged by accident you say?

Okay.

Then where did your GOD come from?

the god of evolutionists is "chance" and "dice game", the god of creationists is "the bible God"!
both are doctrines that can't be proved. evolutionnists spent their entire career to create life in labs without result;

Eisnstein said it clearly "We never may prove that he doesn't exist"

Evolution is not natural science, According to Gallup poll 45% of scientists reject evolution as only Chance guide the biologic process.

Source?

 

[code1211]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I expect from the "we want our country back" crowd.
Here is the main difference between teaching "magical creation" and "scientific evolution".

Magical creation - Gawd did it. There, that's it. You've learned it all. That's every bit of knowledge, research and study discovered and available.

Now, let's give equal weight to evolution. That means years of study, thousands of textbooks, research and data. Because "evolution" is the foundation science of biology, botany and physiology. "Magical creation" is the foundation of "church".

Since it's so easy to teach "magical creation", we'll just leave that to the parents. The other stuff they can learn in school.

When I say, "I want my country back", I mean from the morons who are lying to us on a daily basis and pandering to the misinformed, creating and expanding rifts between social and economic groups, and claiming that increased spending is reduced spending.

The "My Country" statement is just that we were told if we worked hard and didn't do stupid things, we could make a good living and, like our forefathers, create a better future for our children.

By contrast, we are now being told that there will never be enough work to employ our population, there will always be a chronically disfunctional segment of society and we will need to support them in their disfunction while looking forward to unending days of national decline in a world rising above us.

We are now told that our country will never be Number 1 and we will never be the best. In fact, we are told, we never were the best in the first place. We have always been oppressers and thieves and bullies. Our motives have always been dark and our methods have always been devious. Our founders were hypocrites, our history is lies and our future is forfeit due to the sins of our past. We are, in short, evil and somewhat perverted both as individuals and as a society.

I reject this notion. I reject the foundation of this notion. I reject the people who hold it forth and I reject the spirit of defeatism that inspires it.

I am an American. Damn it!

Americans are innovative, creative, problem solving, competitive, proud, adventurous and successful. We do things that nobody can do. Things that nobody ever thought could be done. We defeat despotism, build the Panama Canal and land on the Moon.

Americans do not surrender and do not retreat from their mission which is simply to be the beacon of freedom for the rest of the world shining brightly with the wealth and vigor that comes from hard work, hard choices and rock hard determination.

I look around me and I see people filled with hope that are told daily by their leaders that their dreams are empty, their hopes are baseless and their future is bleak. They look to leaders for hope and are told that America has let them down and that individual effort is wasted because the problems are too big. They are told that there is no use in working because the fight is already over and they have lost.

I don't like a country that has abandoned hope. I don't like a country comprised of collectives instead of individuals. I don't like a country where the leaders are lying manipulators who govern through fear and hate instead of hope and love.

I like a country where a person can work and make a difference. I like a country where the future is bright. I like a country that does those things that are hard because only we can do them. I like MY country!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

What country is that? You have had your feelings hurt and all you want is to click the heels of your ruby slippers and all will be well. Call the waaambulance

Do you think Bill Gates pined over the naysayers of our nation when he built Microsoft? Not so...he and Paul Allen thanked thier luckey stars that they found that poor boob that invented DOS and they could go to Gates Daddy for the 50,000 dollars to buy the unfortunate guys program and convince IBM that they had the key to the kingdom..which they did. Nope they began thier enterprise sitting around in a rented house on the shores of Lake Washington smoking pot and snorting cocaine and gloating over thier exreme good fortune. I even contributed to Gates comfort in a small way helping build his mansions computer controlled window shades blinds and moving screens thruought the place. Oh ya and there was that little period in my life when I I smuggled much of the party favors into Seattle keeping tabs on who got my goods.

No...there was no good old days when you count the whole score..you just want to remember the touchdowns and ignore the fact we were playing against the junior high jv team. Rah!!!...Rah!!!!!

Hey I love america as much as anybody. I just see the spirits of slaves and starving diseased native americans in those nooks and crannies between the concrete pedistals we errect for our self engrandizment. I can't and won't deny that our good fortune was built on thier destruction.

I don't agree. Those were horrible atrocities and should never be forgotten lest they repeat. Those things were not the foundations, although they were bricks.

That is the kind of exageration that is popular today and I both accept that they occurred and were real, real wrong and bad and that they were only a sub plot to the main plot of America. As long as this is a country comprised of people, there will be mistakes and mis steps.

That is the nature of people.

To me it feels that there have been three periods of American history following the Revolution:

Post Revolution

Post Civil war/Indiana Wars

Post Depression

These Crucible periods each fundamentally changed the nature of America's place in the world and the nature of the American people. I've lived my whole life in the Post Depression era. If something does not change, the next period of America will the Post Obama period and will be defined by decreasing prosperity, decreasing opportunity, increased government control of everything, a retreat from world leadership and a move toward more Socialist methods of taxation and governing.

The first step toward failing is to believe that you cannot succeed. Failure is cause for panic in the USA. Unavoidable failure is the attitude that is being peddled today and I'm not buying.

There is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction with what is happening today and I feel that there are allot of people who are not buying.

If you can look at America and see ony injustice, then the Big 0 is your savior and you need to embrace his changes. If you look at America and see the greatest force of hope in the history of civilization, then he's not.

We can all see things only from the shoes in which we walk.

 

[code1211]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I expect from the "we want our country back" crowd.
Here is the main difference between teaching "magical creation" and "scientific evolution".

Magical creation - Gawd did it. There, that's it. You've learned it all. That's every bit of knowledge, research and study discovered and available.

Now, let's give equal weight to evolution. That means years of study, thousands of textbooks, research and data. Because "evolution" is the foundation science of biology, botany and physiology. "Magical creation" is the foundation of "church".

Since it's so easy to teach "magical creation", we'll just leave that to the parents. The other stuff they can learn in school.

When I say, "I want my country back", I mean from the morons who are lying to us on a daily basis and pandering to the misinformed, creating and expanding rifts between social and economic groups, and claiming that increased spending is reduced spending.

The "My Country" statement is just that we were told if we worked hard and didn't do stupid things, we could make a good living and, like our forefathers, create a better future for our children.

By contrast, we are now being told that there will never be enough work to employ our population, there will always be a chronically disfunctional segment of society and we will need to support them in their disfunction while looking forward to unending days of national decline in a world rising above us.

We are now told that our country will never be Number 1 and we will never be the best. In fact, we are told, we never were the best in the first place. We have always been oppressers and thieves and bullies. Our motives have always been dark and our methods have always been devious. Our founders were hypocrites, our history is lies and our future is forfeit due to the sins of our past. We are, in short, evil and somewhat perverted both as individuals and as a society.

I reject this notion. I reject the foundation of this notion. I reject the people who hold it forth and I reject the spirit of defeatism that inspires it.

I am an American. Damn it!

Americans are innovative, creative, problem solving, competitive, proud, adventurous and successful. We do things that nobody can do. Things that nobody ever thought could be done. We defeat despotism, build the Panama Canal and land on the Moon.

Americans do not surrender and do not retreat from their mission which is simply to be the beacon of freedom for the rest of the world shining brightly with the wealth and vigor that comes from hard work, hard choices and rock hard determination.

I look around me and I see people filled with hope that are told daily by their leaders that their dreams are empty, their hopes are baseless and their future is bleak. They look to leaders for hope and are told that America has let them down and that individual effort is wasted because the problems are too big. They are told that there is no use in working because the fight is already over and they have lost.

I don't like a country that has abandoned hope. I don't like a country comprised of collectives instead of individuals. I don't like a country where the leaders are lying manipulators who govern through fear and hate instead of hope and love.

I like a country where a person can work and make a difference. I like a country where the future is bright. I like a country that does those things that are hard because only we can do them. I like MY country!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

Stirring but not quite correct. The historical truth about nations is preferable to the misty-eyed stuff. We can all learn from the real history, we learn nothing from the rose-tinted view.

With apologies to Kahlil Gibran for messing up his words. I'll try to quote from memory:

"Was it not a dream that builded your city and homes?

All that you value was born in the mist and not in the crystal

And who knows

But that a crystal is mist in decay."

Also:

"You are both the eagle that soars and its shadow that crawls on the ground"

History listed by facts is a delusion. History needs to be read both as a litany of events and as a parable taking the whole meaning as one idea. As a country, we have been the eagle that soars and the shadow that crawls on the ground, but, on balance, America has been a good thing for the world and undeniably a good thing for the citizens of the country in the time that I have lived.

I fear that in the future, not too distant future, when a tsunami devastates a country somewhere on the planet, we will look on like the French and think, "My oh my, they sure are unlucky", instead of sending billions in relief on Aircraft carriers.

We might be watching the Chinese sending the relief. Or the Russians.

It's not all bad, though. We'll have free dental.