Criminalizing unemployed - Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests

[NYcarbineer]

Prove it. I've given you facts that shows that it's your employer that pays for unemployment compensation. If you have evidence to the contrary, then by all means let's see it. If not, then .

Your employer's 'contribution' to your UE compensation is part of what your employer is paying you for the job you do. It's not some sort of gift.

Prove it.

The proof is the fact that they don't give it to people who don't work for them, genius.

 

[ConHog]

I don't agree with THIS. If you are collecting UE isnurance that's money you paid in. I am however pro drug testing welfare fags.

LOL Wannabeblonde neg repped me and called me an asshole for this post???? I guess she is either

A) pro drug testing for UE payments
B) against drug testing to receive welfare
C) A bitter ***** who needs to get laid and stop taking out her frustration on the board.

 

[Luissa]

I don't agree with THIS. If you are collecting UE isnurance that's money you paid in. I am however pro drug testing welfare fags.

You do realize you have to do more job searches if you are on welfare and do not have a medical reason not to?
On Taniff you only get five years of benefits, you have to eight hours of job search or job training, and if you don't follow their rules you get sanctioned, and if you don't improve your benefits are taken away completely. People on the right should know the facts before they open their stupid mouths.

 

[ConHog]

Your employer's 'contribution' to your UE compensation is part of what your employer is paying you for the job you do. It's not some sort of gift.

Prove it.

The proof is the fact that they don't give it to people who don't work for them, genius.

Like that is so hard to figure out....


Any anyone is Accounts Payable if they consider UE insurance as part of a compensation package and the answer will be yes of course.

 

[uscitizen]

Orrin is trying to avoid the real issues.
he should be still embaressed for submitting the bill to change the constitution so Arnold could become president.

 

[ConHog]

I don't agree with THIS. If you are collecting UE isnurance that's money you paid in. I am however pro drug testing welfare fags.

You do realize you have to do more job searches if you are on welfare and do not have a medical reason not to?
On Taniff you only get five years of benefits, you have to eight hours of job search or job training, and if you don't follow their rules you get sanctioned, and if you don't improve your benefits are taken away completely. People on the right should know the facts before they open their stupid mouths.

I'm instituting a new policy for myself of not debating with children. Neg repping someone every time you log on just because you're angry is childish. So I won't be debating with you any longer.

Good day.

 

[ConHog]

Orrin is trying to avoid the real issues.
he should be still embaressed for submitting the bill to change the constitution so Arnold could become president.

Link to any Congress person who has ever been embarrassed about ANYTHING. Please I implore you, I would LOVE to see it.

 

[Immanuel]

I don't agree with THIS. If you are collecting UE isnurance that's money you paid in. I am however pro drug testing welfare fags.

I believe you are wrong about that. Look on your pay-check for a unemployment insurance deduction. You will find it is not there. That's because the employer pays it as a cost of doing business. And as a matter of fact, but neither here-nor-there, it is usually a very small amount unless the employer has a very bad record of laying people off. The aim is off Senator Hatch is to get people back to week work, rather than enabling some very bad habits.

Speaking as one of those who are now unemployed thanks to the economy, I can assure you that there are some of us out here that do not wish to be here. The job market has changed a hell of a lot since the last time I was seeking employment.

As an Accountant, everyone wants you to email your resume. You have no idea even who the company is or even if it is a legitimate company any longer. You have no idea if they even open the email or the attachment if you send your resume via attachment which many people now say is not a good idea. They say you should copy and paste it into the body of the email since many people are afraid to open attachments from unknown sources.

Job hunting is a whole new ball of wax. One that I am praying will melt any day now.

edit: oh yeah, yes, your employer does pay the tax for UE Insurance. But just like every other expense, one would assume that if they were not paying that tax, the employees would benefit from a portion of those saved tax dollars.

Immie

 

[Luissa]

I don't agree with THIS. If you are collecting UE isnurance that's money you paid in. I am however pro drug testing welfare fags.

You do realize you have to do more job searches if you are on welfare and do not have a medical reason not to?
On Taniff you only get five years of benefits, you have to eight hours of job search or job training, and if you don't follow their rules you get sanctioned, and if you don't improve your benefits are taken away completely. People on the right should know the facts before they open their stupid mouths.

I'm instituting a new policy for myself of not debating with children. Neg repping someone every time you log on just because you're angry is childish. So I won't be debating with you any longer.

Good day.

I am a child? You called people who recieve welfare fags. You brag about pissing on women, and you generally act like a complete asshole. I am sorry I have neg'd you TWICE, and if you can't handle feedback, well you shouldn't be calling other people children.

 

[Luissa]

I also forgot the time you called me easy because I didn't agree with you.
You are such a joke Conhog.

 

[bodecea]

Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests - The Hill

Hey Orrin, why not just use ankle monitors?

WHO will pay for this expensive 'program'? Fiscal conservatism is just a code word. It is all about trying to turn democracy into an aristocracy. Hatch's 'program' would help to perpetuate the perception that there's "a two-class system where if you're unemployed, you no longer have the same rights as other people. It kind of criminalizes being jobless, just like over the past 20 years or so we've criminalized being homeless. That seems to be the answer for a lot of Republicans; just go ahead and go to war on the problem instead of dealing with it in a more human way."

See the only reason that someone doesn't have a job in this thriving economy is because they are drug addicts. Hatch is just trying to help.

What with David Walker's wistful call for a return to debtor's prison and this hideous attack on the unemployed it's evident that the fatuous elites in this country are so out of touch that they really have no idea how obscene their aristocratic braying sounds to average Americans. or perhaps they do, and just don't care. If your point is to pretend that 10% official unemployment is simply a reflection of the bad character of the unemployed so you can protect the wealth of the ruling class, then turning every unemployed person into a suspected criminal and potential drug user makes sense.

RefRef

Next up....Debtor's Prison.

 

[American Horse]

I don't agree with THIS. If you are collecting UE isnurance that's money you paid in. I am however pro drug testing welfare fags.

I believe you are wrong about that. Look on your pay-check for a unemployment insurance deduction. You will find it is not there. That's because the employer pays it as a cost of doing business. And as a matter of fact, but neither here-nor-there, it is usually a very small amount unless the employer has a very bad record of laying people off. The aim is off Senator Hatch is to get people back to week work, rather than enabling some very bad habits.

Speaking as one of those who are now unemployed thanks to the economy, I can assure you that there are some of us out here that do not wish to be here. The job market has changed a hell of a lot since the last time I was seeking employment.

As an Accountant, everyone wants you to email your resume. You have no idea even who the company is or even if it is a legitimate company any longer. You have no idea if they even open the email or the attachment if you send your resume via attachment which many people now say is not a good idea. They say you should copy and paste it into the body of the email since many people are afraid to open attachments from unknown sources.

Job hunting is a whole new ball of wax. One that I am praying will melt any day now.

edit: oh yeah, yes, your employer does pay the tax for UE Insurance. But just like every other expense, one would assume that if they were not paying that tax, the employees would benefit from a portion of those saved tax dollars.

Immie

Immie, I don't think I said that everyone was the same; I thought we were talking about Senator Hatch's Bill.
I'm familiar with your lament about sending out resumes which no one bothers to acknowledge. I finally gave up on sending resumes and made some phone calls and found an opportunity for some hourly work which ran out after six months. Afterwards I was able to find work by networking, and returned to self-employed independent contracting, again finding opportunities through networking which means putting the word out that I'm available.

When some one calls to describe a project they would like to get some advice about, I am instantly available, and follow through with drawings and specifications within days.

But if I was regularly smoking pot, and not willing to show up on an instant's notice because of the possibility my condition would be noticed, or that I was just laid back and I prefered to wait for a better time....well that would add to my problems.

Edit: I always found the UE tax paid out because of my employees to be so small as to be negiligible. So no it would not have found its way into their pockets because it WAS so very neglible. I rewarded my employees with more work in any amount of hours they wanted. Lots of employers are really Sh***y about unemployment taxes, and make it hard on, or challenge people they've laid off. I never understood that. I always made it a point to remind them that it was available and would have them go in for a little head-start so they wouldn't lose out on any.

 

[Immanuel]

I believe you are wrong about that. Look on your pay-check for a unemployment insurance deduction. You will find it is not there. That's because the employer pays it as a cost of doing business. And as a matter of fact, but neither here-nor-there, it is usually a very small amount unless the employer has a very bad record of laying people off. The aim is off Senator Hatch is to get people back to week work, rather than enabling some very bad habits.

Speaking as one of those who are now unemployed thanks to the economy, I can assure you that there are some of us out here that do not wish to be here. The job market has changed a hell of a lot since the last time I was seeking employment.

As an Accountant, everyone wants you to email your resume. You have no idea even who the company is or even if it is a legitimate company any longer. You have no idea if they even open the email or the attachment if you send your resume via attachment which many people now say is not a good idea. They say you should copy and paste it into the body of the email since many people are afraid to open attachments from unknown sources.

Job hunting is a whole new ball of wax. One that I am praying will melt any day now.

edit: oh yeah, yes, your employer does pay the tax for UE Insurance. But just like every other expense, one would assume that if they were not paying that tax, the employees would benefit from a portion of those saved tax dollars.

Immie

Immie, I don't think I said that everyone was the same; I thought we were talking about Senator Hatch's Bill.
I'm familiar with your lament about sending out resumes which no one bothers to acknowledge. I finally gave up on sending resumes and made some phone calls and found an opportunity for some hourly work which ran out after six months. Afterwards I was able to find work by networking, and returned to self-employed independent contracting, again finding opportunities through networking which means putting the word out that I'm available.

When some one calls to describe a project they would like to get some advice about, I am instantly available, and follow through with drawings and specifications within days.

But if I was regularly smoking pot, and not willing to show up on an instant's notice because of the possibility my condition would be noticed, or that I was just laid back and I prefered to wait for a better time....well that would add to my problems.

I have come to the conclusion that seeking jobs from the newspaper ads and/or online job postings is useless in today's world.

I have now gone to the volunteer idea, I'm working on volunteering for a very fine organization in the near future after I have gone through their training and I have a couple of networking opportunities that I am hoping will expand into something positive real soon. I'm hoping that through these contacts, I can find employment.

The days of answering an ad are gone... at least for the time being. I'm afraid it is adapt or be without... and I pray that the cliche, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." is a fallacy. Because Networking has never been a strong point of mine. I'm one of the behind the scenes kind of guys. I'm not all that good at walking up to people, sticking my hand out and introducing myself, but it appears that I had better learn real quick.

Immie

 

[Montrovant]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this has been mentioned already.

The reason some consider drug testing a violation of privacy, IMO, is that even if you use the drugs in the privacy of your own home, at a time during which you have no responsibilities that might be adversely affected, that can show up at a later date. At least as far as employment is concerned, it means you are tested for things you do outside of the workplace, which have no effect on your work performance.

This really speaks more to drug testing for employment than unemployment or welfare benefits.

 

[oreo]

Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests - The Hill

Hey Orrin, why not just use ankle monitors?

WHO will pay for this expensive 'program'? Fiscal conservatism is just a code word. It is all about trying to turn democracy into an aristocracy. Hatch's 'program' would help to perpetuate the perception that there's "a two-class system where if you're unemployed, you no longer have the same rights as other people. It kind of criminalizes being jobless, just like over the past 20 years or so we've criminalized being homeless. That seems to be the answer for a lot of Republicans; just go ahead and go to war on the problem instead of dealing with it in a more human way."

See the only reason that someone doesn't have a job in this thriving economy is because they are drug addicts. Hatch is just trying to help.

What with David Walker's wistful call for a return to debtor's prison and this hideous attack on the unemployed it's evident that the fatuous elites in this country are so out of touch that they really have no idea how obscene their aristocratic braying sounds to average Americans. or perhaps they do, and just don't care. If your point is to pretend that 10% official unemployment is simply a reflection of the bad character of the unemployed so you can protect the wealth of the ruling class, then turning every unemployed person into a suspected criminal and potential drug user makes sense.

RefRef

Well Yeah--GET YOU FREAKIN BUTT'S OFF OF THE GROUND---take any freaking job offererd--then kick these son-o-bitches out of office or GOOD.

 

[Big Fitz]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this has been mentioned already.

The reason some consider drug testing a violation of privacy, IMO, is that even if you use the drugs in the privacy of your own home, at a time during which you have no responsibilities that might be adversely affected, that can show up at a later date. At least as far as employment is concerned, it means you are tested for things you do outside of the workplace, which have no effect on your work performance.

This really speaks more to drug testing for employment than unemployment or welfare benefits.

Interesting viewpoint.

But... we have no right to privacy for the commission of a crime. Also, we should not enable those in behavior that can/will prevent them from being a citizen in good standing and self sufficiency. Drugs consistently do that the same way drinking can. You can't go out the night before, get hammered and show up to work still coming off the bender. And if you come in hungover, business suffers too.

What you do off shift, to a certain degree interweaves with your employment.

Or in this case... UNemployment. This is why we need to return to charitable organizations instead of state support. They keep closer tabs on irresponsible use of their money for the enablement of delinquent lifestyles.

 

[Rozman]

If this will eliminate a good number of people who are sitting home getting paid and getting high I'm for it.
That in itself will pay for it.

 

[bucs90]

If a person is recieving a social welfare check, in ANY form, from tax payer money, the drug test should be mandatory.

That INCLUDES social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, welfare, food stamps, section-8 housing. Yes, if you live in a housing project with subsidized rent you should get a mandatory drug test monthly when that $50 rent is due. If you can afford to buy crack, you can afford to move into a regular apt and stop leaching off my tax money.

 

[Ravi]

Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests - The Hill

I can understand the smallness of mind that would require drug tests for welfare recipients. But the unemployed? What a colossal fucktard.

 

[arKangel]

WHO will pay for this expensive 'program'? Fiscal conservatism is just a code word. It is all about trying to turn democracy into an aristocracy.

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Better idea: Get the Federal government out of the process altogether.

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