Court-martial begins in Marine killing of 24 Iraqis

[eots]

The only combat experience eots has is playing Medal of Honor on PS3 in her underwear.

Hey its not my fault I had skills and could be lucratively employed in the private sector and did not need to join the military

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Being a fluffer for gay porn stars does not count as lucrative employment slut.

Why does your type get so much enjoyment about imagining other posters being involved in homosexual acts...is kind of creepy...

 

[High_Gravity]

Hey its not my fault I had skills and could be lucratively employed in the private sector and did not need to join the military

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Being a fluffer for gay porn stars does not count as lucrative employment slut.

Why does your type get so much enjoyment about imagining other posters being involved in homosexual acts...is kind of creepy...

You are what you are slut, don't get mad at me.

 

[eots]

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[High_Gravity]

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Boring.

 

[The Gadfly]

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Can we stick to the subject at hand, or do you two want to have a personaL pissing contest? I asked about relevant experience; YOU clearly have none to offer, so STFU!

 

[eots]

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Can we stick to the subject at hand, or do you two want to have a personaL pissing contest? I asked about relevant experience; YOU clearly have none to offer, so STFU!

I see so only those that have killed a bunch of woman and children can judge the morality of it ? and you have done so ??

 

[eots]

You ever had to fight an enemy that didn't wear a uniform, and hid among civilians? No? Well, I have. Your opinion is duly noted. My opinion, is that you don't know what the hell you are talking about! Everyone else here, can decide which one of us has more relevant experience from which to render a judgment.

 

[Warrior102]

I see so only those that have killed a bunch of woman and children can judge the morality of it ? and you have done so ??

Had the Staff Sgt. been found guilty?
Why, gee. He hasn't. So kindly STFU until the verdict is reached.

 

[High_Gravity]

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Take your youtube bullshit and shove it right up your ass *****.

 

[theHawk]

How can we possibly know if the "civilians" killed had nothing to do with the attacks?

Are you saying that women, children, or an old man in a wheelchair can't help the enemy?

I don't know the specifics of this case, I'll leave that to the jury. But to say that just because some of the dead were "women and children" makes him guilty is complete bullshit. Anyone that can pick up a gun and point it can become an enemy. Not to mention the fact that the gutless cowards we were fighting over there didn't give a second thought about hiding behind or using women and children in their efforts to attack our troops.

Remember that Islamists love death, they often boast of it. They have no problems sacrificing 'innocents', to include their own women and children, in their Jihad.

 

[Jos]

They crossed the line, they took revenge on civils who took no part in the killings
Quote:
The Haditha killings (also called the Haditha incident or the Haditha massacre) refers to the incident in which 24 Iraqi men, women and children were killed by a group of United States Marines on November 19, 2005 in Haditha, a city in the western Iraqi province of Al Anbar. At least 19 of those killed were civilians. It has been alleged that the killings were retribution for the attack on a convoy of Marines with an improvised explosive device that killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas.[1]

An initial Marine Corps communique reported that 15 civilians were killed by the bomb's blast and eight insurgents were subsequently killed when the Marines returned fire against those attacking the convoy. However, other evidence uncovered by the media contradicted the Marines' account.[2] A Time magazine reporter's questions prompted the United States military to open an investigation into the incident. The investigation claimed it found evidence that "supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot civilians, including unarmed men, women and children",
Haditha killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
oops they lied

 

[The Gadfly]

They crossed the line, they took revenge on civils who took no part in the killings
Quote:
The Haditha killings (also called the Haditha incident or the Haditha massacre) refers to the incident in which 24 Iraqi men, women and children were killed by a group of United States Marines on November 19, 2005 in Haditha, a city in the western Iraqi province of Al Anbar. At least 19 of those killed were civilians. It has been alleged that the killings were retribution for the attack on a convoy of Marines with an improvised explosive device that killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas.[1]

An initial Marine Corps communique reported that 15 civilians were killed by the bomb's blast and eight insurgents were subsequently killed when the Marines returned fire against those attacking the convoy. However, other evidence uncovered by the media contradicted the Marines' account.[2] A Time magazine reporter's questions prompted the United States military to open an investigation into the incident. The investigation claimed it found evidence that "supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot civilians, including unarmed men, women and children",
Haditha killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
oops they lied

Really? An Iraqi "human rights group" (connected with insurgents, or not; who knows?) and a reporter-real credible accusers there, Sparky. I believe them, like I believe in the Tooth Fairy. Everyone charged, except SSGT Wuterich, not guilty or charges dropped for lack of evidence. Col. Chessani, charges dropped for (oh my, what a surprise!) UNLAWFUL COMMAND INFLUENCE! Looks like a politically motivated witch hunt, to me. Now, they want to throw the last remaining guy under the bus, a sacrifice to civilian opinion, here and abroad. Disgusting!

 

[High_Gravity]

Gadly do you think the Marine Sergeant has a chance? I see a media temper tantrum if he is acquitted.

 

[The Gadfly]

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Can we stick to the subject at hand, or do you two want to have a personaL pissing contest? I asked about relevant experience; YOU clearly have none to offer, so STFU!

I see so only those that have killed a bunch of woman and children can judge the morality of it ? and you have done so ??

Did you even read what I posted, or do you have a comprehension problem? Let me spell it out for you. When you fight an enemy who does not wear a uniform, and hides among his civilian population. civilian casualties are inevitable. That is why, in Vietnam, we did not relish fighting in the hamlets; because non-combatant civilians could and did get killed; not because we deliberately targeted them, but because they got caught in the crossfire, or were in a position the enemy was firing from. I am not going to be disingenuous about that; we DID, on occasion, find the bodies of non-combatants as well as enemy bodies, after a fight. Not ONE of them was deliberately hit by aimed fire, as far as I know; in many cases, it was impossible to determine whether they had been killed by enemy fire, or ours. In some cases, they appeared to have been killed by the VC prior to the engagement. Did I personally kill any of them? I do not know, but since I was in command, I take full responsibility for those deaths. I am not happy about that, but, I do not see anything I could have done differently to prevent them, without unnecessarily endangering the men in my command. I followed my orders, my training, and the ROE at the time, and I can live with that. Whether or not YOU approve, is NOT my concern.

 

[The Gadfly]

Gadly do you think the Marine Sergeant has a chance? I see a media temper tantrum if he is acquitted.

IF he gets a fair and impartial Court Martial, without improper command influence (there's already been one case of that in this incident), I think he has a good chance, especially since they did not charge the LT who gave the order to clear the houses. The question is mainly one of what the exact ROE at the time were. I think, from what I can see, that this reeks of overzealous prosecution, if not worse. Damn reporters; I despised those lying sonsofbitches in 'Nam, (where I had the chance to see the truth first-hand, followed by their falsified version of same). I wouldn't trust any so-called journalist to be telling the truth, if he swore on a stack of Bibles, and I wouldn't piss on any of them, if they were on fire!

 

[Mr. President]

Civilians see a 10 year old they are like aww look at the little kid. I see a 10 year old I'm like is that the little mofo that was shooting at me yesterday?

 

[old navy]

After a few days of negotiation, the SSgt plead guilty to dereliction of duty. The max punishment now is 3 months in the brig, reduction to E-1 and forfeiting 2/3 pay. That's obviously much less than the 152 years he was looking at before.

BBC News - Haditha Marine Frank Wuterich enters guilty plea

So, of the eight Marines charged, that's 6 where charges were dropped, one acquitted and one plea deal. Justice has been served.

 

[MikeK]

Civilians see a 10 year old they are like aww look at the little kid. I see a 10 year old I'm like is that the little mofo that was shooting at me yesterday?

What you've said here, and please do not infer hostile criticism, reflects an irrational state of mind. The responsive disposition of a normal (rational) adult male to a 10 year-old boy should range from neutral to affectionate regard. But prolonged exposure to the insanity of combat conditions has altered your perceptions and emotional responses. They are no longer normal. For you, 10 year-old boys are a potentially lethal threat.

I'm sure you will re-adjust with sufficient exposure to a sane atmosphere and environment. But right now you are categorically desensitized, which is a psychological injury comparable to losing the sense of taste, smell or touch.

 

[theHawk]

After a few days of negotiation, the SSgt plead guilty to dereliction of duty. The max punishment now is 3 months in the brig, reduction to E-1 and forfeiting 2/3 pay. That's obviously much less than the 152 years he was looking at before.

BBC News - Haditha Marine Frank Wuterich enters guilty plea

So, of the eight Marines charged, that's 6 where charges were dropped, one acquitted and one plea deal. Justice has been served.

Our resident anti-American libs will be so disappointed. They were so sure this guy was guilty.

 

[old navy]

After a few days of negotiation, the SSgt plead guilty to dereliction of duty. The max punishment now is 3 months in the brig, reduction to E-1 and forfeiting 2/3 pay. That's obviously much less than the 152 years he was looking at before.

BBC News - Haditha Marine Frank Wuterich enters guilty plea

So, of the eight Marines charged, that's 6 where charges were dropped, one acquitted and one plea deal. Justice has been served.

Our resident anti-American libs will be so disappointed. They were so sure this guy was guilty.

yep

I'm glad it's over.