Countries The U.S. "Regime Changed" - Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Syria Are Chaotic Messes

We orchestrated that military coup to remove an Islamist terrorist regime that was planning to kill the Christians in Egypt.

Nice convenient delusion, far from reality. Obama initially supported the Muslim Brotherhood. It's a real mess. And our Government played a big part in creating it.
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Fucking Islamists were planning genocide on the Christians. US moved ASAP and helped planned that coup.

Bull shit. Back up your claims.

I can back up mine. Obama did not want the Muslim Brotherhood nor Morsi removed from power. The US Ambassador to Egypt pleaded with the populace and the military to not overthrow Morsi.

Obama sent McCain and Graham to Egypt to prevent the arrest of Morsi and the MB.

It is all on record. Where have you been? And the Egyptians now really really hate the US not only for helping to overthrow Mubarak but also to impose Morsi on them.


Despite Obama Administration’s Entreaties, Egyptian Military Deposes Morsi

Despite Obama Administration?s Entreaties, Egyptian Military Deposes Morsi - The Daily Beast

Egyptians are not fools. They knew who gave them Morsi.

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They knew Paterson sided with the MB as well.

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ALL OF THE COUNTRIES WHICH THE U.S. “REGIME CHANGED” – IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN. SYRIA, AND LIBYA – HAVE DESCENDED INTO BRUTAL CHAOS
Quantifying the Effects of Regime Change


Since 2001, the U.S. has undertaken regime change in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya.

All 4 countries are now in chaos … and extremists are more in control than ever.

Iraq

In Iraq, hardcore Islamic jihadis known as ISIS have taken over much of the country – shown in red as the new “Islamic State” or self-described caliphate – using captured American weapons:

Christians are being rounded up and killed, and Christian leaders in Iraq say the end of Christianity in Iraq is “very near”. But as we documented in 2012, Saddam Hussein – for all his faults – was a secular leader who tolerated Christians.

Libya

Libya has also descended into absolute chaos. We reported in 2012:

Al Qaeda is now largely in control of Libya. Indeed, Al Qaeda flags were flown over the Benghazi courthouse once Gaddafi was toppled.
(This is – again – in contrast to toleration of Christians under Gadaffi.)

The Guardian noted in March:

According to Amnesty International, the “mounting curbs on freedom of expression are threatening the rights Libyans sought to gain“. A repressive Gaddafi-era law has been amended to criminalise any insults to officials or the general national congress (the interim parliament). One journalist, Amara al-Khattabi, was put on trial for alleging corruption among judges. Satellite television stations deemed critical of the authorities have been banned, one station has been attacked with rocket-propelled grenades, and journalists have been assassinated.

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Ever since the fall of [Gadaffi's] dictatorship, there have been stories of black Libyans being treated en masse as Gaddafi loyalists and attacked. In a savage act of collective punishment, 35,000 people were driven out of Tawergha in retaliation for the brutal siege of the anti-Gaddafi stronghold of Misrata. The town was trashed and its inhabitants have been left in what human rights organisations are calling “deplorable conditions” in a Tripoli refugee camp. Such forced removals continue elsewhere. Thousands have been arbitrarily detained without any pretence of due process; and judges, prosecutors, lawyers and witnesses have been attacked or even killed. Libya’s first post-Gaddafi prosecutor general, Abdulaziz Al-Hassadi, was assassinated in the town of Derna last month.

When residents of Benghazi – the heartland of the revolution – protested against militia rule in June last year, 32 people were killed in what became known as “Black Saturday”. In another protest in Tripoli last November, 46 died and 500 were injured.

Under militia rule, Libya is beginning to disintegrate. Last summer forces under the command of the warlord Ibrahim Jadran took control of eastern oil terminals …. These forces which hijacked a oil tanker this month, prompting threats from Libya’s prime minister that it would be bombed until US forces captured it this weekend. Clashes have broken out in Jadran’s home town of Ajdabiya. In painful echoes of Iraq’s nightmare, a car bomb exploded at a Benghazi military base last week and killed at least eight soldiers, and Libya’s main airport was shut on Friday after a bomb exploded on its runway...

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It's a little late to bring up what's left of the Christians in Iraq. Bush and the Republicans did nothing to help them, nothing.

How the Iraq War Became a War on Christians | The American Conservative

In fact, the conflict in Syria and the American invasion of Iraq are linked by a common thread: the failure of the U.S. to consider the effect of its foreign policy on vulnerable religious communities, especially Middle Eastern Christians.

In March 2003, on the eve of war in Iraq, Pope John Paul II dispatched Cardinal Pio Laghi, a senior Vatican diplomat, to Washington to make a final plea to Bush not to invade. Laghi, chosen for his close ties to the Bush family, outlined “clearly and forcefully” the Vatican’s fears of what would follow an invasion: protracted war, significant casualties, violence between ethnic and religious groups, regional destabilization, “and a new gulf between Christianity and Islam.” The warning was not heeded.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/iraq/368042-us-invasion-started-the-christian-holocaust-in-iraq.html

Obama AND the west owns ISIS. Obama AND the west owns the invasion of Iraq by this terror army. Obama AND the west owns the fact that Mosul is now deserted by all Christians who had to run for their lives from ISIS,

I can at least be bi partisan and be royally freaking pissed off at my own conservative Prime Minister for supporting the overthrow of Assad.

And trust me I've been spitting bullets about many things lately in my party.

But you can't. You are like Obama. Blame everyone else on the planet. Blame the weather. Blame the heavens that the stars aren't aligned correctly.

It's pathetic.
 
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Those countries have been in chaos for centuries and will continue to be in chaos for centuries to come. The only thing that changes is the name of the oppressor--dictator, military, or terrorist group.

With that kind of thinking do you view the US UK interruption of peaceful
inspections and subsequent invasion as something these always 'chaotic
people deserved?
 
The lesson here is easy

KEEP FUCKING ABOUT WITH PEOPLE AND THEY EVENTUALLY FUCK YOU BACK.

There has not been a single attack against America or an America target that wasn't the result of America attacking, killing or interfering first.

Unless someone can prove me wrong -good luck trying, you'll need it.
On another forum, I asked if anyone could name a post 1945 war that America didn't have its sticky little fingers in.
No one managed an example.
It's really simple, you bomb, mess, kill and torture your way through the world, but are always the innocent victim when someone attacks you.
The latest is Gaza. America taxpayer donated weapons are being used for mass murder, but you'll moan if someone blames you for it, and kills a couple of Americans.

Grow the fuck up.
 
Clearly, you're ill-informed. ISIS was assisted by your Dear Leader's funding & arming. He just had to get his Assad Boogeyman. Just like Bush had to get his Hussein Boogeyman.


If you read the following budget request from Obama to the US Congress for FY2015 you'd realize that reality is coming down hard on you just as those thousands of US Hellfire missiles are coming down hard on IS terrorists in Iraq.

But I don't see much concern about facts and reality in your cobbled together position:

http://m.whitehouse.gov/sites/defau...ents/final_fy_2015_oco_amendment_-_062414.pdf

The first request to arm 'moderate rebels' came in June of this year:

Obama asks for authorization to provide direct military training to Syrian rebels

It comes to assist moderate rebels fight both Assad and IS terrorists. Your rendition of what's going is loony.

The administration has said repeatedly in recent weeks that it was preparing additional assistance to vetted “moderate” opposition forces fighting both the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and extremists of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), who have now spread their area of control across the Syrian border into Iraq.


If Congress approves the funding, it would mark the first direct U.S. military participation in the Syrian conflict

Obama asks for authorization to provide direct military training to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post
 
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Uh huh, Obama and his sycophants now fully support illegal military coups. You people are a bleepin joke.

Illegal how? Morsi had never gained the 'power of force' to be the real leader of Egypt. The military weakened Egypt's constitution so much that it is difficult to see that what al Sisi did as unconstitutional. Morsi overreached and was not acting according to the constitution. So the military did the right thing and it matched the will of the people when they did it. Egypt is quite stable now so your message is unwarranted.

I support the stability in Egypt over the chaos caused by Morsi and the MB. I am not ashamed of that at all.

Who knows what you want? More chaos seems to satisfy your frame of mind because you see it where it has tapered off in Egypt.

Yes first you supported the Muslim Brotherhood, then you supported an illegal Military Coup. You sound just like your dipshit Dear Leader. You both make no sense. And Egypt is anything but 'stable.' It was stable before our meddling though.

I see you are avoiding my question with more distortion of reality. What illegality was the arrest and removal of the terrorist sympathizer Morsi from doing more to the nation of Egypt than he had already done.

And what was our meddling that brought the millions to Tahir square to oppose Mubarak who was robbing Egyptians and causing instability in their economy? Did you oppose the secular peaceful protests against Mubarak? The same protesters had to rise again to rid Egypt of Morsi and Egypt has stabilized once again under al Sisi.
 
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Clearly, you're ill-informed. ISIS was assisted by your Dear Leader's funding & arming. -Originally Posted by paulitician.


Do you have evidence or reports that the US and the CIA funded, trained and armed any ISIS terrorists in Syria? Please provide what you think you have?
 
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Pay closer attention. Your Government is funding and arming factions in Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, and Syria. We are involved. We're very involved.

I think your weed is making you paranoid.

Nah, just stating the reality. Your Government is currently funding & arming factions in Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, and Syria. It's fact. You choosing to ignore reality, doesn't mean it's not reality. Just follow the money. It leads to those countries. It's not a secret. The funds are appropriated in a public manner. Just do some research.

The Ukraine rebels are being funded by Russia, you fucking noob. :lol:
Nothing's even happening war-wise in Egypt.
As for Syria, nobody fucking cares how many Arabs kill each other, meaning the US doesn't even need to be involved.
And Libya's old news.
Got anything else? :D
 
Clearly, you're ill-informed. ISIS was assisted by your Dear Leader's funding & arming. He just had to get his Assad Boogeyman. Just like Bush had to get his Hussein Boogeyman.


If you read the following budget request from Obama to the US Congress for FY2015 you'd realize that reality is coming down hard on you just as those thousands of US Hellfire missiles are coming down hard on IS terrorists in Iraq.

But I don't see much concern about facts and reality in your cobbled together position:

http://m.whitehouse.gov/sites/defau...ents/final_fy_2015_oco_amendment_-_062414.pdf

The first request to arm 'moderate rebels' came in June of this year:

Obama asks for authorization to provide direct military training to Syrian rebels

It comes to assist moderate rebels fight both Assad and IS terrorists. Your rendition of what's going is loony.

The administration has said repeatedly in recent weeks that it was preparing additional assistance to vetted “moderate” opposition forces fighting both the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and extremists of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), who have now spread their area of control across the Syrian border into Iraq.


If Congress approves the funding, it would mark the first direct U.S. military participation in the Syrian conflict

Obama asks for authorization to provide direct military training to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

Yes, 'Moderate' Rebels like ISIS. Just another disastrous intervention. He had no business involving us in Syria's Civil War. Period, end of story.
 
I think your weed is making you paranoid.

Nah, just stating the reality. Your Government is currently funding & arming factions in Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, and Syria. It's fact. You choosing to ignore reality, doesn't mean it's not reality. Just follow the money. It leads to those countries. It's not a secret. The funds are appropriated in a public manner. Just do some research.

The Ukraine rebels are being funded by Russia, you fucking noob. :lol:
Nothing's even happening war-wise in Egypt.
As for Syria, nobody fucking cares how many Arabs kill each other, meaning the US doesn't even need to be involved.
And Libya's old news.
Got anything else? :D

Follow the money dummy. Your Government funded and armed the illegal Coup in Kiev. And that's what started the awful mess over there. It's still funding & arming that brutal regime. And how much Taxpayer Money & Weapons do you think we give to Egypt? As for Syria, your Government obviously cares. It's sending $Millions in Taxpayer Dollars & weapons to Rebels there. And Libya is far from 'old news.' It's completely collapsing. Another War we had no business getting involved with. Got anything else?
 
The gop was dominated by neocons, who complained about our regieme change in the Balkans under a non-neocon potus, which btw is going pretty well. Regieme change in the former soviet republics is going pretty well, aside from the fact that our last neocon potus took our troops from there and stuck them in fucing desert where everything's gone to shite. And McCain and Graham pulled the US into Libya and Syria.

Obama's an idiot, but this qwagimer started on the gop's watch when the neocons ran for policy. Now all of a sudden, the gop is beaming with its shiny Paulites saying .... "who us?" LOL
 
Clearly, you're ill-informed. ISIS was assisted by your Dear Leader's funding & arming. -Originally Posted by paulitician.


Do you have evidence or reports that the US and the CIA funded, trained and armed any ISIS terrorists in Syria? Please provide what you think you have?

Funding and arming Rebels in Syria is a monumental interventionist blunder. The Taxpayer Money and weapons have gotten to some very evil cretins there. And ISIS is one of those evil cretins. Obama had no business involving us in their Civil War. It's proving to be an ugly nightmarish decision.
 
Nah, just stating the reality. Your Government is currently funding & arming factions in Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, and Syria. It's fact. You choosing to ignore reality, doesn't mean it's not reality. Just follow the money. It leads to those countries. It's not a secret. The funds are appropriated in a public manner. Just do some research.

The Ukraine rebels are being funded by Russia, you fucking noob. :lol:
Nothing's even happening war-wise in Egypt.
As for Syria, nobody fucking cares how many Arabs kill each other, meaning the US doesn't even need to be involved.
And Libya's old news.
Got anything else? :D

Follow the money dummy. Your Government funded and armed the illegal Coup in Kiev. And that's what started the awful mess over there. It's still funding & arming that brutal regime. And how much Taxpayer Money & Weapons do you think we give to Egypt? As for Syria, your Government obviously cares. It's sending $Millions in Taxpayer Dollars & weapons to Rebels there. And Libya is far from 'old news.' It's completely collapsing. Another War we had no business getting involved with. Got anything else?

Don't care about Syria, Egypt or Libya. Nobody does. As for Ukraine, not involved, anyways, who cares?
 

Stop passing the buck. Your guy's in charge. He's the President. And he has demanded more Taxpayer Dollars to fund & arm Syrian Rebels. That's just fact. Passing the buck just ain't gonna cut it anymore.

So what if Obama is funding the rebels, what's the problem? :dunno:

You not seeing the problems, sadly says it all.
 

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