Zone1 Could you be Jewish and not even know it?

[Hafar1014]

Thank you immensely for this clarification. Part of my problem was that I was taught that they were very much like the weekly Sabbath as far as not working went.

Annual holidays are not the sabbath

 

[rosends]

Thank you immensely for this clarification. Part of my problem was that I was taught that they were very much like the weekly Sabbath as far as not working went.

there are 39 categories of actions forbidden on the sabbath. On holidays, a couple of them (carrying in a public domain and performing creative work in order to cook, basically) are allowed and this changes the tenor of the day.

 

[DennisPTate]

there are 39 categories of actions forbidden on the sabbath. On holidays, a couple of them (carrying in a public domain and performing creative work in order to cook, basically) are allowed and this changes the tenor of the day.

That is very interesting and quite new to me. No wonder the idea of terming those days "sabbaths" was offensive.

 

[Lisa558]

That is very interesting and quite new to me. No wonder the idea of terming those days "sabbaths" was offensive.

I jumped down your throat earlier, and I apologize. It’s just that we have so many antisemites in this forum, and I was frustrated that you were relying on the “teachings” of an antisemite more than the information you were getting from practicing Jews.

I see that you’re actually a good guy (just misinformed about certain things).

 

[BreezeWood]

Good question. My impression is that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus honored all of the Prophets of Judaism and essentially stated that He was going to cause all of their words to come to pass and that not one jot or title would fail to come to pass. The implications of this are huge.

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was not joking when He stated the following:



Please notice that a lot of the events of Matthew chapter four sound a lot like a near death experience. Fasting without food or water for forty days will certainly bring anybody close to death.

anotherwords abandon jesus and worship moses, and who wrote the 4th century christian bible ... judaism's false commandments jesus new to be an error.

what proof have you jesus ever claimed the heavens would create a messiah or claim to be one as the very avenue the jews used to murder the heavenly exemplar.

they never stated whats claimed in the crucifiers bible, the 1st century events were the repudiation of judaism their false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid - et al.

 

[DennisPTate]

what proof have you jesus ever claimed the heavens would create a messiah or claim to be one as the very avenue the jews used to murder the heavenly exemplar.

they never stated whats claimed in the crucifiers bible, the 1st century events were the repudiation of judaism their false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid - et al.

Isaiah fifty three is good enough for me.

It sounds pretty clear to my way of thinking.

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
[Isaiah 53]

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 53 - King James Version

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of...

www.biblegateway.com

And on top of all of that what in the world was YHWH asking of Abraham in that incident with Isaac?

It had to be a symbol of something huge.

 

[BreezeWood]

You should be aware that when speaking with a Jew, referring to Jesus as “Messiah Yeshua” could be considered inappropriate. Just a little heads up, since you seem unaware of that.

they already know that for the jews they are just covering base as also a christian - whats outrageous is their implications jesus was ever a jew.

 

[Lisa558]

they already know that for the jews they are just covering base as also a christian - whats outrageous is their implications jesus was ever a jew.

Of course Jesus was a Jew. The only people who ever deny that are rabid antisemites.

 

[DennisPTate]

I jumped down your throat earlier, and I apologize. It’s just that we have so many antisemites in this forum, and I was frustrated that you were relying on the “teachings” of an antisemite more than the information you were getting from practicing Jews.

I see that you’re actually a good guy (just misinformed about certain things).

And I truly thank you for making me aware that the annual High Days are not exactly like the weekly Sabbath, or like Yom Kippur for that matter. That is very new to me.

When I was a teenager Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted and those with him were the only ones who would explain the deep meaning in the Jewish Sabbaths to Gentiles like me. These days near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava and others are also reaching out, but not in the seventies and eighties when I was younger.

 

[DennisPTate]

There is no hidden meaning Armstrong was well known antisemite

Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong saw the life and accomplishments of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in the annual Holy Days so the easiest way to dismiss his ideas is to call him an anti-Semite.

But in actuality his ideas on some topics, were very much in line with those of Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian Yair Davidiy. If the final Elijah when he comes along is supposed to "restore the tribes of Israel" then it is logical that the Lost Tribes of Israel may need some idea on who their ancestors may have been?


This book tends to take a Gentile and cause them to become extremely pro-Israel.

The United States and Great Britain in Prophecy

What does the future hold for the world’s English-speaking peoples? The Bible has the answer.

www.tomorrowsworld.org

 

[BreezeWood]

Of course Jesus was a Jew. The only people who ever deny that are rabid antisemites.

the 1st century events that elude 558 began as the heavenly selection as exemplars mary joseph jesus mary magdalen - in common their denial of judaism and did not fear moses and their false commandments.

they are never jews. the magi originally were sent by the heavens to protect them why mary was not stoned to death by jews.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Am I incorrect to have the belief that by abandoning the seventh day Sabbath as well as the annual Jewish High Sabbath, this eventually led to the lost ten tribes of Israel losing their identity as being Jewish?

On that note, what do you think of the prediction in the Roman Catholic Bible that the Lost Tribes of Israel are scheduled to be "restored" in the near future, [I believe that this happens significantly before the literal fulfillment of Zechariah chapter fourteen].

Read Ezekiel 37:

Eze 37:19 tell them, ‘Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in my hand.
Eze 37:20 The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.”’
Eze 37:21 Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, where they have gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land.
Eze 37:22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. One king will be king to them all. They will no longer be two nations. They won’t be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
Eze 37:23 They won’t defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. So they will be my people, and I will be their God.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

so who was their first mother ... its the auditory hallucinations of abraham that started it, his mother.

Abraham wasn't a "Jew".

 

[BreezeWood]

Abraham wasn't a "Jew".

by their mother - who then is the first mother of judaism, * if not its founder - there's proof at least jesus had one.

anyway what has reproduction got to do w/ a desert religion of stone throwers.

 

[Lisa558]

Abraham wasn't a "Jew".

Avram wasn’t. Abraham was.

 

[Hafar1014]

Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong saw the life and accomplishments of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in the annual Holy Days so the easiest way to dismiss his ideas is to call him an anti-Semite.

But in actuality his ideas on some topics, were very much in line with those of Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian Yair Davidiy. If the final Elijah when he comes along is supposed to "restore the tribes of Israel" then it is logical that the Lost Tribes of Israel may need some idea on who their ancestors may have been?


This book tends to take a Gentile and cause them to become extremely pro-Israel.

The United States and Great Britain in Prophecy

What does the future hold for the world’s English-speaking peoples? The Bible has the answer.

www.tomorrowsworld.org

He was well known anti semite

 

[DennisPTate]

He was well known anti semite

Now I believe that the Rabbi's who taught YOU were somewhat biased, [but they may have had the best of intentions because all Rabbi's in all branches of modern Rabbinic Judaism, in order to preserve Judaism as they were taught Judaism, CANNOT open the door one inch to the possibility that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and John the Baptist, as well as the parents of John the Baptist and the parents of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were PART OF THE ESSENe JEWISH COMMUNITY of the First Century]!

Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. had a near death experience in 1966, specifically on June 3 - 6 of 1966, that I believe shows the HUMOUR of "The Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden."

Remeber Rabbi Nachman's advice to not despise a book due to it being a part of this world?


... "On pages 137 to 170 in this book.....the number one cause of anti-Semitism by Christians over these past eighteen centuries is addressed.........(brilliantly I might add)....... and it could be argued that the author also address anti- Semitic activity by Muslims........ over the past twelve centuries.........

Here is a good example of the type of literature that can win the Nobel Prize for Literature:

I admit that I may be biased.... but I do believe that Dr. MacDonald has even Winston beat in this category...... because three to five centuries from now more humans will be aware of what Dr. MacDonald wrote than will be aware of what Winston did."

The Thomas Book Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus: MacDonald PH D, Bruce Fraser: 9781608608195: Books - Amazon.ca

The Thomas Book Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus: MacDonald PH D, Bruce Fraser: 9781608608195: Books - Amazon.ca

www.amazon.ca

The Father said to me one evening in my time of meditation, “You wonder that people other than the Jews have the secrets of the Kingdom as well as you. As you have been instructed before, the secrets of the Kingdom have been given to many people, but to no one in their complete form, so that each, seeking in their own way, may gradually come closer to me, but no one group can say, ‘I have the secret and you are excluded.’ Indeed, any who say that, have already put themselves outside of the Kingdom, because the Kingdom comes by Love, and Love is a working together. Love is not exclusively for one group.”

“In the end of the Age, peoples from all parts of the earth will bring their knowledge together and will find the Inner Way to me by working together. So, read and know what has been given to others, that your knowledge may be complete and you may be able to come to Me, all working together in Love.” (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.)

Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald is shown many teachings by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus to his inner core of disciples but Bruce F. MacDonald goes further..... and takes upon himself the number ONE cause of anti-Semitism over these past eighteen centuries by Christians and Muslims.

"You do not understand this life, he said on a later occasion, so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.

So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.

Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.

Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.


"So, do not fear what people can do to your body, because you will have many more of those. Rather, avoid those who can kill the soul within you, those who would destroy love and the light of your soul. I tell you, you will have much more to learn then, and at the end of the Age, those who have not learned love will enter the Long Sleep, while those who have learned love, will inherit the New Earth which the Father prepares for them."

"In each life, you are affected by what happened in other lives, but you in turn can affect those lives. The Father has not put you in a prison, that you can change nothing. Rather, you can do anything when your inner eyes are opened and you see the Kingdom within."

"Now, even you who follow me see dimly as through a fog. So do not, in that condition, set up laws for others to follow. Rather, teach others to grow in spirit so that their eyes may be opened to the peace and love of the Father."

The Father wishes good for you, not evil. If then, you bring your fears and errors before the Father in meditation, He will help you to understand and be free. The Father does not condemn: you condemn yourself."

"If you judge, you will be judged. If you condemn, you are already condemned. If you do not love, how will you know love? If you are cruel, cruelty will come to you. What you are within yourself ----- that you will draw to yourself." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., The Thomas Book, Near Death, A Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.
page 117,118 )

And on that note.... this will make chills go up and down your spine.

 

[Lisa558]

Now I believe that the Rabbi's who taught YOU were somewhat biased, [but they may have had the best of intentions because all Rabbi's in all branches of modern Rabbinic Judaism, in order to preserve Judaism as they were taught Judaism, CANNOT open the door one inch to the possibility that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and John the Baptist, as well as the parents of John the Baptist and the parents of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were PART OF THE ESSENe JEWISH COMMUNITY of the First Century]!

Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. had a near death experience in 1966, specifically on June 3 - 6 of 1966, that I believe shows the HUMOUR of "The Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden."

Remeber Rabbi Nachman's advice to not despise a book due to it being a part of this world?


... "On pages 137 to 170 in this book.....the number one cause of anti-Semitism by Christians over these past eighteen centuries is addressed.........(brilliantly I might add)....... and it could be argued that the author also address anti- Semitic activity by Muslims........ over the past twelve centuries.........

Here is a good example of the type of literature that can win the Nobel Prize for Literature:

I admit that I may be biased.... but I do believe that Dr. MacDonald has even Winston beat in this category...... because three to five centuries from now more humans will be aware of what Dr. MacDonald wrote than will be aware of what Winston did."

The Thomas Book Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus: MacDonald PH D, Bruce Fraser: 9781608608195: Books - Amazon.ca

The Thomas Book Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus: MacDonald PH D, Bruce Fraser: 9781608608195: Books - Amazon.ca

www.amazon.ca

Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald is shown many teachings by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus to his inner core of disciples but Bruce F. MacDonald goes further..... and takes upon himself the number ONE cause of anti-Semitism over these past eighteen centuries by Christians and Muslims.

You’re saying that the #1 cause of antisemitism is that Jews “despise” the New Testament?

1) Do you realize you’re blaming the victim?

2) I took a course on the NT, and it TEACHES antisemitism. Stuff like children of Satan, and hypocrites who pray in synogogues.

 

[AsherN]

My wife knows pretty much for certain that she is Sephardic Jewish. She could apply for her Spanish citizenship based simply on her mom's last name. If she were to obtain her Spanish citizenship based on her mom's last name, that would be one relevant piece of evidence that could be used for her to apply for her Israeli citizenship, [but she would need to contact a Rabbi and take matters a step or two further].

Was her mother Jewish?

 

[AsherN]

Rabbis agree there is no sin in the world now and never has been? No one has ever disobeyed God, or if they did it is because God wanted them to?

In Judaism, sin is an individual failing. There is no such thing as "original sin".