Zone1 Could you be Jewish and not even know it?

[norwegen]

Well of course nobody follows everything. But you said that the Jews of today have nothing of the Jews before Jesus.

The obvious exception is the Torah, given to the Jews 3500 years ago, and which we - as the Jewish people - follow today.

You seem intent on believing the Jews of Jesus’ time were wiped out. I suspect you like that idea as of a form of punishment, or the simple idea that the “bad Jews” who didn’t accept your Messiah have no descendants. Not true.

No one follows Torah today. Maybe selectively, but that is it.

The "bad Jews"? Read the Torah, let alone the New Testament. Even Jews thought Jews were bad.

That says nothing of you or your contemporaries. Nothing.

Pharisaic, rabbinic, Talmudic Jews - however you think of yourselves - now are not the bad guys, but yet how you defend your alleged countrymen in the Bible.

 

[Lisa558]

No one follows Torah today. Maybe selectively, but that is it.

The "bad Jews"? Read the Torah, let alone the New Testament. Even Jews thought Jews were bad.

That says nothing of you or your contemporaries. Nothing.

Pharisaic, rabbinic, Talmudic Jews - however you think of yourselves - now are not the bad guys, but yet how you defend your alleged countrymen in the Bible.

Wow. Your disdain for Jews is coming through.

Of course Jews follow the Torah, some more closely than others.

And since you can’t kill off the Jews like Hitler did, you’re going to get rid of us by claiming we don’t really exist.

Also, are you from the Scandinavia area? I heard that Muslims have taken root there too, and I suspect that’s where you contempt for Jews come from.

 

[rosends]

No one follows Torah today. Maybe selectively, but that is it.

maybe this just reflects your lack of understanding of the Torah.

 

[Lisa558]

maybe this just reflects your lack of understanding of the Torah.

He hates Jews so much that he’s trying to convince himself that they were all wiped out after they refused to abandon Judaism and worship Jesus.

 

[norwegen]

Wow. Your disdain for Jews is coming through.

Of course Jews follow the Torah, some more closely than others.

And since you can’t kill off the Jews like Hitler did, you’re going to get rid of us by claiming we don’t really exist.

Also, are you from the Scandinavia area? I heard that Muslims have taken root there too, and I suspect that’s where you contempt for Jews come from.

Can you not read?

 

[norwegen]

maybe this just reflects your lack of understanding of the Torah.

Enlighten me, then. Seriously.

How do you get away with not following all the laws described in Leviticus?

 

[Lisa558]

Can you not read?

Yes, I can read. What you posted shows disdain for Jews - and your contempt is so great that now you’re trying to convince yourself that descendants of Biblical Jews were wiped out. It’s your way of figuratively killing us off, all because we wouldn’t accept Jesus.

 

[rosends]

Enlighten me, then. Seriously.

How do you get away with not following all the laws described in Leviticus?

the Levitical laws are dependent on the existence of the temple. As it was destroyed, we have to use the replacement system established biblically (the words of our lips take the place of animal sacrifices -- from Hoshea).

The complete Torah teaches us how to practice the laws when the world isn't perfect, so we follow the entire of the Torah which includes what we should do when we can't follow a specific law for one reason or another.

 

[norwegen]

Yes, I can read. What you posted shows disdain for Jews - and your contempt is so great that now you’re trying to convince yourself that descendants of Biblical Jews were wiped out. It’s your way of figuratively killing us off, all because we wouldn’t accept Jesus.

No, you can't read.

 

[norwegen]

the Levitical laws are dependent on the existence of the temple. As it was destroyed, we have to use the replacement system established biblically (the words of our lips take the place of animal sacrifices -- from Hoshea).

The complete Torah teaches us how to practice the laws when the world isn't perfect, so we follow the entire of the Torah which includes what we should do when we can't follow a specific law for one reason or another.

This replacement system says the same thing as Leviticus does about how Israelites are to treat their Israelite slaves better than their foreign slaves? Or about how they can charge higher interest rates to foreign borrowers than to Israelite borrowers?

 

[DennisPTate]

Yes, I can read. What you posted shows disdain for Jews - and your contempt is so great that now you’re trying to convince yourself that descendants of Biblical Jews were wiped out. It’s your way of figuratively killing us off, all because we wouldn’t accept Jesus.

I don't blame Jewish theologians for not trusting people like me, [a Noahide or Messianic Gentile], because if somebody like me had been adopted as a disciple by a Rabbi four centuries ago.... or nine centuries ago..... then if I had gone full fledged Jewish as Timothy the student of the Apostle Paul did, then in a Roman Catholic nation that would almost certainly lead to a pogrom or perhaps a full fledged minor Holocaust.

It is a rather unknown aspect of the first century Messianic Jewish history that the Apostle Paul got his student Timothy to go even further than a modern "Noahide" would tend to go toward becoming very "Jewish."

And he came also to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a Greek. 2He was well spoken of by the brethren at Lystra and Ico′nium. 3 Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews that were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek. 4 As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem. 5 So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily.

[Acts 16]

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Timothy Joins Paul and Silas - And he came also to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a Greek. He was well spoken of by the brethren at Lystra and Ico′nium. Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took...

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[rosends]

This replacement system says the same thing as Leviticus does about how Israelites are to treat their Israelite slaves better than their foreign slaves? Or about how they can charge higher interest rates to foreign borrowers than to Israelite borrowers?

Now you are talking about a different set of laws. You seem concerned that the laws allow one group to show preferential treatment to its own. Y'know, the way citizens have rights and privileges that noncitizens don't.

 

[Lisa558]

This replacement system says the same thing as Leviticus does about how Israelites are to treat their Israelite slaves better than their foreign slaves? Or about how they can charge higher interest rates to foreign borrowers than to Israelite borrowers?

Tell us more about those awful Jews!

 

[norwegen]

Now you are talking about a different set of laws. You seem concerned that the laws allow one group to show preferential treatment to its own. Y'know, the way citizens have rights and privileges that noncitizens don't.

A different set of laws from what? I've been talking about only one set of laws: those of the ancient Israelites. What other set of laws are you talking about?

 

[BreezeWood]

you asked if there were any. I said yes.
You said I didn't list them. I listed them.

Now you are complaining because the 7 (which is 7 more than you seemed to think there were) isn't enough.

According to Judaism there were thousands more female prophets but I can't list them.

nothing you wrote above is true ...

and you did not answer the question who's the first mother of judaism. for their lineage why would that not be the litmus test for your claim the heavens would manufacture and send a messiah to the jews as who those would be - your claim of a matriarchal religion.

 

[BreezeWood]

(John 4:19-22) "The woman saith unto him, Sir ,I perceive that thou art a prophet.

"Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews"

(John 4:25-26) "The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

"Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he."

that is a book, christian bible written by crucifiers in the 4th century without an appendix for the material they preserved to write their book - as none are preserved.

do you have anything written by jesus making such a claim as the jews made that he is a messiah ... if not then he is not either a jew or their messiah.

 

[BreezeWood]

Im from the tribe of Goyim.

that wasn't on the list, are you also palestinian ...

- we're from heavenly eden. only one counts, the sabbath their creation life and garden earth to be kept holly for the return trip.

 

[BreezeWood]

Advice for anyone--or any religion/faith--that feels they must discredit, tear down another religion/faith is on the wrong track and way off base: Listen to people of the Jewish faith who are posting. They speak the truth of their own beliefs without the need to tear down yours. The need to tear down the faith of another only advertises the weakness of one's own.

- murdering jesus isn't one of them.

 

[rosends]

A different set of laws from what?

from the Levitical laws concerning the sacrificial system which I mentioned. Instead of continuing the conversation regarding those, you moved to a different set of laws. And thus my statement.

 

[AsherN]

Thank you!

It is indeed quite obnoxious for a Christian to tell a practicing Jew that he’s not really Jewish. There is antisemitism at the root of that, and other comments saying Jews today have nothing connection to Jews of Jesus’ time, in that it obviously is trying to deny the long heritage of the Jewish people that continues to this day.

It’s almost as if the antisemites know they can’t get rid of the Jews the way Hitler did, so they’re doing it by denying our ancestry.

Same as trying to pin Jews as only being descendants of the tribe of Judah. No, we are Children of Israel, AKA Jacob. All his children are part of the Covenant and therefore Jews.