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One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did.
They obviously do.
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One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did.
One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did.
They obviously do.
The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.
One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.
The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.
And that is why obama is pandering to the dream act now.....HE wants the votes and needs them now.
The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.
One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.
The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.
And that is why obama is pandering to the dream act now.....HE wants the votes and needs them now.
He had most of the Hispanic voters, minus those of Cuban American descent, anyway, so it won't help right now.
But it sure will in the future if Romney, when elected, does not work for a good immigration reform law.
Okay; so we as conservatives agree that it's a copout. But why the disconnect with Republican lawmakers? You guys notice that none of the Republicans are rebuking the Dems with this message?
Exactly.
Because they know the tidal gravity.
These kids will INEVITABLY become citizens. It's just going to happen.
So will a lot of the 11 million who are illegally here and came here as adults.
They don't want to dig themselves into a deeper hole with these folks to get a few more bubba redneck votes. (Like they were ever going to go the Democrats.)
The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.
One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.
The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.
Okay; so we as conservatives agree that it's a copout. But why the disconnect with Republican lawmakers? You guys notice that none of the Republicans are rebuking the Dems with this message?
Exactly.
Because they know the tidal gravity.
These kids will INEVITABLY become citizens. It's just going to happen.
So will a lot of the 11 million who are illegally here and came here as adults.
They don't want to dig themselves into a deeper hole with these folks to get a few more bubba redneck votes. (Like they were ever going to go the Democrats.)
Not if the majority of Americans have their way they wont. These people broke our Laws, and we CANNOT AFFORD to support them, they need to go Home to their OWN Countries. People spend YEARS trying to become US Citizens LEGALLY, and they should be forced to move aside and let Illegals take precedence over them? No WAY. The only hole that is being dug is the one by people who think rewarding those who broke our Laws is the WILL of the majority of the American people... Their hole IS getting past the point where they wont be able to crawl back out, and they're going to get buried.
I favor strong immigration law enforcement. I admit it is troubling what is happening to the children of illegal aliens, though. They are pawns, in a sense, caught in a situation that they had NO choice in. Mercy is a quality that we show our strength. The DREAM act may be one way to help overcome our immigration problems. I don't know. It may be better for all if these poor kids are given a chance to become productive citizens than to punish them for their parent's mistakes. I don't think that is a cop out. On the other hand, these kids and immigration/hispanic activists have to stop blaming American immigration laws, and place the sole blame of this situation on the parents that came here illegally. That blame shifting is the real cop out here. It may take a long long time, or it may never happen, but illegal aliens have to take responsibility for the harm they are doing to their children and to this culture. When that happens, we may all heal.
The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.
One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.
The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.
An ad hominem argument is not based in logic. By the way, unless you know my age, don't call me "son".
Okay; so we as conservatives agree that it's a copout. But why the disconnect with Republican lawmakers? You guys notice that none of the Republicans are rebuking the Dems with this message?
Exactly.
Because they know the tidal gravity.
These kids will INEVITABLY become citizens. It's just going to happen.
So will a lot of the 11 million who are illegally here and came here as adults.
They don't want to dig themselves into a deeper hole with these folks to get a few more bubba redneck votes. (Like they were ever going to go the Democrats.)
Not if the majority of Americans have their way they wont. These people broke our Laws, and we CANNOT AFFORD to support them, they need to go Home to their OWN Countries. People spend YEARS trying to become US Citizens LEGALLY, and they should be forced to move aside and let Illegals take precedence over them? No WAY. The only hole that is being dug is the one by people who think rewarding those who broke our Laws is the WILL of the majority of the American people... Their hole IS getting past the point where they wont be able to crawl back out, and they're going to get buried.
Copout: Parents brought children to America; no fault of their own
Just because a child is brought here by a parent has he/she lost his citizenship in his native country? No. He/she can exist there.
It's a copout to say oh we're hurting these children who were brought here through no fault of their own. That's b.s. families are responsible for their fates. And to reward those families while other families are legally waiting is irresponsible.
Frankly, it's obvious that Obama created this bleeding heart narrative on the heels of an election b/c who wants to be a hard ass and say fair is fair?
Sorry dude, but the standard is you're a citizen of your native country and you have to legally apply for citizenship. Just b/c your mommy or daddy broke the law doesn't give you any special rights that others do not have.
The only thing that is obvious is your ignorance of the law and Constitution.
It has been a long-standing principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence that a child may not be subject to punitive measures as a consequence of a parents misdeeds. This fundamental principle has been time and again reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co. (1972), Plyler v. Doe (1982).
Consequently the Administrations use of prosecutorial discretion in this matter is perfectly valid both with regard to established and accepted procedure and Constitutional case law.
Your opposition to the policy is clearly partisan, if a republican administration were to enact the same policy youd fully support it.
Just because a child is brought here by a parent has he/she lost his citizenship in his native country? No. He/she can exist there.
It's a copout to say oh we're hurting these children who were brought here through no fault of their own. That's b.s. families are responsible for their fates. And to reward those families while other families are legally waiting is irresponsible.
Frankly, it's obvious that Obama created this bleeding heart narrative on the heels of an election b/c who wants to be a hard ass and say fair is fair?
Sorry dude, but the standard is you're a citizen of your native country and you have to legally apply for citizenship. Just b/c your mommy or daddy broke the law doesn't give you any special rights that others do not have.
The only thing that is obvious is your ignorance of the law and Constitution.
It has been a long-standing principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence that a child may not be subject to punitive measures as a consequence of a parents misdeeds. This fundamental principle has been time and again reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co. (1972), Plyler v. Doe (1982).
Consequently the Administrations use of prosecutorial discretion in this matter is perfectly valid both with regard to established and accepted procedure and Constitutional case law.
Your opposition to the policy is clearly partisan, if a republican administration were to enact the same policy youd fully support it.
So we should take the minor child away from the parents we deport?
The only thing that is obvious is your ignorance of the law and Constitution.
It has been a long-standing principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence that a child may not be subject to punitive measures as a consequence of a parents misdeeds. This fundamental principle has been time and again reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co. (1972), Plyler v. Doe (1982).
Consequently the Administrations use of prosecutorial discretion in this matter is perfectly valid both with regard to established and accepted procedure and Constitutional case law.
Your opposition to the policy is clearly partisan, if a republican administration were to enact the same policy youd fully support it.
So we should take the minor child away from the parents we deport?
Of course not. You have just given one of the reasons we need a sane, flexible immigration reform program under soon to be President Romney. There will not be many deportations, as you hope. Won't happen.
But no. Mexicans scare the living shit out of bigots. Even YOUNG Mexicans scare the pussies.
One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did.
They obviously do.
What? Break the law? You don't really mean that, do you?
Copout: Parents brought children to America; no fault of their own
Typical from the rw's.
Punish brown people
Copout: Parents brought children to America; no fault of their own
Typical from the rw's.
Punish brown people even if they have broken no law but stick up for a murderer when he stalks and kills a teenager who had the gall to walk to the convenience store for ice tea and candy.
But, are they racist?
They're insulted if you so much as suggest the obvious.