Conspiracy Theory Or Fact?

[PoliticalChic]

Trump is a master at selling average products for premium prices because his buyers think they’re getting something amazing.

Which is why his supporters think there was some sort of economic miracle. There wasn’t.

Trumpâs Economy Isnât So Great

Millions of low-wage workers live paycheck to paycheck, have inadequate or no health insurance, can’t see how their children could afford college, lack access to retirement plans and have trouble finding affordable housing.

www.forbes.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. To indicate how the Wuhan crisis has been inflated to puncture the Trump economic miracle, note that the CDC admitted that only 6% of the deaths were actually due to the Covid virus.

Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, Click here to download.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics




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If the President dies of covid while in Walter Reed, and his death certificate lists covid as the cause of death, with secondary comorbidities present ...of obesity, and hypertension listed,

Does that mean the President did not die of covid 19 in your opinion? Or that his death should not be counted as a COVID death?

Moot point because he won’t die. Despite being 74 years old, the odds are still overwhemingly in his favor of recovering. A little honest research should do left-wingers a world of good and give them some peace.

Of course he won't die, he has the best of best medical care...

BUT THAT IS CLEARLY NOT RELATED TO THE QUESTION I POSED.

So you don't 'Care' to answer this question?


Will you have any regret if Trump wins and what your side put America through, didn't work?

Or will you cheer on the next atrocity by the Left?

Which?



It appears that the answer would be too revealing, and obviate that avi you chose.

 

[colfax_m]

Trump is a master at selling average products for premium prices because his buyers think they’re getting something amazing.

Which is why his supporters think there was some sort of economic miracle. There wasn’t.

Trumpâs Economy Isnât So Great

Millions of low-wage workers live paycheck to paycheck, have inadequate or no health insurance, can’t see how their children could afford college, lack access to retirement plans and have trouble finding affordable housing.

www.forbes.com

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“But even Trump’s own Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says that Trump’s target of 3% GDP growth is too optimistic. Investors, analysts, business planners, workers and voters need to take a closer look to see signs of economic weaknesses. Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times recognizes these weaknesses, citing a “hidden depression” representing “symptoms of a larger economic malaise.””

“The latest figures show the economy expanded 2.3% in the past year, exactly the pace of the past 10 years, since the Great Recession ended — with prospects for even slower growth ahead.”

What ever happened to Trumpâs boast of 4%, 5% or even 6% growth?

Whatever happened to Trump’s boast that the U.S. economy would be able to grow not just at 3% but at “4%, 5% or even 6%” a year?

www.marketwatch.com

Trump, with characteristic grandiosity, dismissed that argument and outbid Bush. “We think it could be 5 or even 6” percent, he said.

Trump and GOP promised economic growth much better than Obama's. That's not what happened

Throughout the 2016 campaign and since, Trump and the GOP have vowed to kick-start tepid Obama-era economic growth. New government data show that Trump, too, has failed to reach the 3 percent promised land – or even match Obama's strongest year.

www.cnbc.com

 

[BlueGin]

This guy summarizes all the data in this thread......primarily, that the flu is more deadly than the Wuhan.

That’s pretty much what all of the fake politicians and media do too. Only wear masks when they are on camera.

 

[SavannahMann]

It is apparently time for a dose of reality. It may taste bad going down but it will help you in the future.

We will start with the Riots. They are not some sort of Astrturfed movement. They are the result of generations of abuse and criminal activity by the Police. An issue we had started to make progress on under Bush and Obama.

The biggest tool was the DOJ Civil Rights Investigations into Police Departments. These were working. Not only in the departments subjected to the investigation but others who wished to avoid the findings. That progress was thrown out the window when Trump shut them down days after taking the White House.

It is the old question. Who watches the watchers? We know now that someone needs to be watching the folks watching the watchers. But we aren’t watching anymore are we? Oh we want to throw a few senior people in jail. But we don’t want anything to happen to the rank and file who are doing the same things time and time again.

We are reaping the seeds we have seen for generations. The cops can do no wrong.

The Pandemic. The problem is that we are not able to see the future. We don’t know what the result will be if we do A or B. Perhaps we have an idea what the outcome could be, or may be. But we don’t know.

The lockdowns and restrictions gave our medical people a chance. We did not suffer the massive shortages of ICU beds and respirators that others suffered. Much of that was from restrictions that limited the numbers of patients.

But here is where common sense comes into play. We can’t do the lockdowns because we don’t know what will happen and we don’t think it will be that bad.

Now think about the defenders of the police. They have to shoot because the bad guy MIGHT be armed. They were afraid the bad guy would be armed. They couldn’t take the chance. They had no choice.

Now. You can not find one post from me taking issue with the police for shooting someone armed. Ok there is one. A bank robbery where the police fired six hundred rounds and killed the hostage. My issue was the numbers of shots fired, and the fact established by the investigation that many of the officers could not even see the baddies. They were firing recklessly. The investigating officers agreed.

I have never taken issue with the cops shooting someone armed. I argue that we can learn and improve with every situation if we examine it for more than covering the cops ass.

Now consider the blind support of cops. How shooting unarmed people is perfectly justified because he MIGHT have a weapon. Now look at the pandemic where precautions were unjustified because we didn’t KNOW what the mortality rate was. When part, a big part, of that lower mortality was because while we ran close to the limits we managed to avoid exceeding the vital care that saved so many lives.

True Story. When helmets were first introduced during the First World War, the Generals were horrified. The numbers of wounded soldiers skyrocketed. The Generals were almost convinced to take the helmets away. They believed that the Soldiers felt invincible under their tin hats. Thankfully the fact that wounded soldiers were increasing meant that dead soldiers were decreasing. Soldiers who would have died were living.

The same arguments were heard when Bullet Proof Vests were introduced to LEO’s. They would become reckless believing they were Superman because they were bulletproof. Those vests have saved thousands of lives. And I absolutely approve and support the cops wearing them. The first company was called Second Chance. And that is what the vest did. It may give the cop a second chance at life.

The restrictions, lockdowns, and masks all worked to reduce the probability that people would get sick. The fewer who got sick the less the medical people had to treat. The less they had to treat the better the odds that those who were treated would recover. Like the vests and helmets worn by our troops today. It increases the odds that they will survive. Nothing is ever guaranteed. But increasing the odds is the best you can do.

 

[BlueGin]

We could and would be doing much worse if not for President Trump.

Couldnt be further from the truth

The US has the worst infection and death rate. 5 percent of the worlds population and 20 percent of the deaths.

We can thank Trumps inept leadership for that

I’m sure it had more to do with democrats incuraging the public to ride crowded subways and attend parades. That and putting the elderly in COVID infected nursing homes. Oh ...and how long did it take for the tribes to lockdown the reservations?

 

[Theowl32]

11. To indicate how the Wuhan crisis has been inflated to puncture the Trump economic miracle, note that the CDC admitted that only 6% of the deaths were actually due to the Covid virus.

Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, Click here to download.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics




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If the President dies of covid while in Walter Reed, and his death certificate lists covid as the cause of death, with secondary comorbidities present ...of obesity, and hypertension listed,

Does that mean the President did not die of covid 19 in your opinion? Or that his death should not be counted as a COVID death?

Moot point because he won’t die. Despite being 74 years old, the odds are still overwhemingly in his favor of recovering. A little honest research should do left-wingers a world of good and give them some peace.

Of course he won't die, he has the best of best medical care...

BUT THAT IS CLEARLY NOT RELATED TO THE QUESTION I POSED.

Of course he won't die cause he has the best of the best medical care?

Want to expound on that?

You know there is no known CURE of it, right? You haven't heard?

Please, make some "educated guesses" with what they could possibly be giving him that leads you to say flippantly that OF COURSE he will survive.

 

[BlueGin]

These are THE SAME PEOPLE who were defending DUBYA at the end of HIS disasterous administration.

And the democrats now love him. That just tells you their campaign against him was bullshit also.

 

[colfax_m]

Show me the Trump economic miracle.

 

[Mac1958]

These are THE SAME PEOPLE who were defending DUBYA at the end of HIS disasterous administration.

And the democrats now love him. That just tells you their campaign against him was bullshit also.

Well, at least you didn't try to deny it.

 

[Care4all]

11. To indicate how the Wuhan crisis has been inflated to puncture the Trump economic miracle, note that the CDC admitted that only 6% of the deaths were actually due to the Covid virus.

Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, Click here to download.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics




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If the President dies of covid while in Walter Reed, and his death certificate lists covid as the cause of death, with secondary comorbidities present ...of obesity, and hypertension listed,

Does that mean the President did not die of covid 19 in your opinion? Or that his death should not be counted as a COVID death?

"Bible Experts Determine Goliath Died Of COVID-19

ISRAEL—Working at an archaeological dig in the Valley of Elah, Bible experts have come up with an interesting theory concerning the death of Goliath, hulking giant of the Philistines who fought David in one-on-one combat.

Though he did have severe head trauma and neck problems, his death is now being counted as a COVID-19 death.
"While we didn't test him per se, he exhibited a lot of the symptoms of COVID-19," said one Bible scholar as he carefully worked to unearth some ancient face masks from Bible times. "The wooziness, the falling down, the headache -- it's all pretty clearly indicative of the novel coronavirus." He also stated that the virus ran rampant among the Philistines because they did not social distance, while Israel was relatively safe because King Saul declared a lockdown.
One researcher suggested that Goliath did not die of coronavirus but simply ODed, having been stoned. But then the other researchers realized he was telling a dad joke and told him to shut up and keep digging.
At publishing time, scholars had proposed that everyone who died in the Flood, the Israelite conquest of Canaan, and the flattening of Sodom and Gomorrah also died of COVID-19."

Bible Experts Determine Goliath Died Of COVID-19

ISRAEL—Working at an archaeological dig in the Valley of Elah, Bible experts have come up with an interesting theory concerning the death of Goliath, hulking giant of the Philistines who fought David in one-on-one combat.

babylonbee.com

Will you have any regret if Trump wins and what your side put America through, didn't work?

Or will you cheer on the next atrocity by the Left?

Which?

Please spare me your cut n paste crap,

And ANSER MY QUESTION, so I can understand what you've been barking at....

If the President died of COVID at Walter Reed, and co-morbidities of obesity, and hypertension were listed as secondary causes, would you reject the President's primary death cause listed as Covid19 and reject his death included in our COVID death count?

 

[colfax_m]

Still looking for that miracle.

 

[Theowl32]

Now think about the defenders of the police. They have to shoot because the bad guy MIGHT be armed. They were afraid the bad guy would be armed. They couldn’t take the chance. They had no choice.



I have never taken issue with the cops shooting someone armed. I argue that we can learn and improve with every situation if we examine it for more than covering the cops ass.

Now consider the blind support of cops. How shooting unarmed people is perfectly justified because he MIGHT have a weapon. Now look at the pandemic where precautions were unjustified because we didn’t KNOW what the mortality rate was. When part, a big part, of that lower mortality was because while we ran close to the limits we managed to avoid exceeding the vital care that saved so many lives.

There are millions of interactions between Black people and police annually, including about 2 million arrests.

In 2019, 1,004 people, mostly white, were shot dead by the police, according to the Washington Post. Assuming that an average of one police officer is involved per killing, then 1,004 police officers, or fourteen-hundredths of 1% of America’s 700,000 police officers, were involved in fatal police shootings. Obviously, the typical police officer will never kill anyone in his career.

Some Lessons from a Washington Post Graphic on Police Shootings

It's no secret to readers of the Volokh Conspiracy, nor to readers of our host site Reason.com, that the American…

reason.com

A Washington Post shows that 14 Black and 25 white “unarmed” Americans were shot dead by police in 2019. An analysis that was broadcast on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" of 10 of the “unarmed” Black decedents showed that for five of these persons, calling them unarmed is misleading: two had cars, one had a stun gun, and two others had guns, authorities said. In those two cases where the decedents had guns, which were the only cases where the weapons were not used to assault police, the officers faced homicide charges.

https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings/blob/master/fatal-police-shootings-data.csv

Even if the remaining deaths were criminal, they do not add up to a narrative of numerous police officers indiscriminately murdering unarmed Black men. Neither do all Black detainees die unless they resist arrest. Indeed, the odds of any unarmed person being shot dead by police are less than their odds of being struck by lightning.

Now, here is a question that is rather rhetorical, but you or the racist Mac1958 can answer it if you like. Don't you hate when facts contradict the left wing hyped narrative?

 

[DBA]

Still looking for that miracle.
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I don’t think you are able to comprehend the graph you posted. If you are jumping on the -5.91%, everyone knows why that is the case.

 

[Mac1958]

Now think about the defenders of the police. They have to shoot because the bad guy MIGHT be armed. They were afraid the bad guy would be armed. They couldn’t take the chance. They had no choice.



I have never taken issue with the cops shooting someone armed. I argue that we can learn and improve with every situation if we examine it for more than covering the cops ass.

Now consider the blind support of cops. How shooting unarmed people is perfectly justified because he MIGHT have a weapon. Now look at the pandemic where precautions were unjustified because we didn’t KNOW what the mortality rate was. When part, a big part, of that lower mortality was because while we ran close to the limits we managed to avoid exceeding the vital care that saved so many lives.

There are millions of interactions between Black people and police annually, including about 2 million arrests.

In 2019, 1,004 people, mostly white, were shot dead by the police, according to the Washington Post. Assuming that an average of one police officer is involved per killing, then 1,004 police officers, or fourteen-hundredths of 1% of America’s 700,000 police officers, were involved in fatal police shootings. Obviously, the typical police officer will never kill anyone in his career.

A Washington Post database shows that 14 Black and 25 white “unarmed” Americans were shot dead by police in 2019. An analysis that was broadcast on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" of 10 of the “unarmed” Black decedents showed that for five of these persons, calling them unarmed is misleading: two had cars, one had a stun gun, and two others had guns, authorities said. In those two cases where the decedents had guns, which were the only cases where the weapons were not used to assault police, the officers faced homicide charges.

Even if the remaining deaths were criminal, they do not add up to a narrative of numerous police officers indiscriminately murdering unarmed Black men. Neither do all Black detainees die unless they resist arrest. Indeed, the odds of any unarmed person being shot dead by police are less than their odds of being struck by lightning.

Now, here is a question that is rather rhetorical, but you or the racist Mac1958 can answer it if you like. Don't you hate when facts contradict the left wing hyped narrative?

Yikes. So you post about me without my even being involved in a conversation. This is getting creepy now.

And would you be kind enough to quote me when you accuse me of something that bad?

Does your Quote function work? Maybe do something like this:

Sick of their shit and we should not hide it anymore.
When they call me a fucking racist, and I say you damn right I am!!! Fuck those fucking people!

 

[j-mac]

Trump has given us one of the worst economies since WWII, but he tells us it's the best in all of history.

Let's see if you can be honest about your statement here, and explain to us rationally, with the nuance it deserves, your statement here...

Ready Go!

 

[colfax_m]

Still looking for that miracle.
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I don’t think you are able to comprehend the graph you posted. If you are jumping on the -5.91%, everyone knows why that is the case.

I’m really just putting the chart to show that there’s no appreciable upward trend in GDP since Trump came into office.

Still looking for that miracle...

 

[Care4all]

11. To indicate how the Wuhan crisis has been inflated to puncture the Trump economic miracle, note that the CDC admitted that only 6% of the deaths were actually due to the Covid virus.

Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, Click here to download.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics




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If the President dies of covid while in Walter Reed, and his death certificate lists covid as the cause of death, with secondary comorbidities present ...of obesity, and hypertension listed,

Does that mean the President did not die of covid 19 in your opinion? Or that his death should not be counted as a COVID death?

Moot point because he won’t die. Despite being 74 years old, the odds are still overwhemingly in his favor of recovering. A little honest research should do left-wingers a world of good and give them some peace.

Of course he won't die, he has the best of best medical care...

BUT THAT IS CLEARLY NOT RELATED TO THE QUESTION I POSED.

Of course he won't die cause he has the best of the best medical care?

Want to expound on that?

You know there is no known CURE of it, right? You haven't heard?

Please, make some "educated guesses" with what they could possibly be giving him that leads you to say flippantly that OF COURSE he will survive.

As the right wingers have stated already, the odds are in his favor to live, vs dying....coupled with his great one on one medical care from 10 plus doctors...

yes, there is a chance of him dying.... but positive thinking, mind over matter, may actually work to increase the positive odds ...thus my positive thinking of him not dying from it.

But that is not the point to my post....maybe you could answer my question....

If the President dies at Walter Reed with death cause listed as COVID, with secondary causes of hypertension and obesity.....

Should his death not count as a covid death, because he was also obese, and had high blood pressure?

 

[Theowl32]

11. To indicate how the Wuhan crisis has been inflated to puncture the Trump economic miracle, note that the CDC admitted that only 6% of the deaths were actually due to the Covid virus.

Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, Click here to download.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics




View attachment 396570

If the President dies of covid while in Walter Reed, and his death certificate lists covid as the cause of death, with secondary comorbidities present ...of obesity, and hypertension listed,

Does that mean the President did not die of covid 19 in your opinion? Or that his death should not be counted as a COVID death?

Moot point because he won’t die. Despite being 74 years old, the odds are still overwhemingly in his favor of recovering. A little honest research should do left-wingers a world of good and give them some peace.

Of course he won't die, he has the best of best medical care...

BUT THAT IS CLEARLY NOT RELATED TO THE QUESTION I POSED.

Of course he won't die cause he has the best of the best medical care?

Want to expound on that?

You know there is no known CURE of it, right? You haven't heard?

Please, make some "educated guesses" with what they could possibly be giving him that leads you to say flippantly that OF COURSE he will survive.

As the right wingers have stated already, the odds are in his favor to live, vs dying....coupled with his great one on one medical care from 10 plus doctors...

yes, there is a chance of him dying.... but positive thinking, mind over matter, may actually work to increase the positive odds ...thus my positive thinking of him not dying from it.

But that is not the point to my post....maybe you could answer my question....

If the President dies at Walter Reed with death cause listed as COVID, with secondary causes of hypertension and obesity.....

Should his death not count as a covid death, because he was also obese, and had high blood pressure?

Not sure. Are you? Tom Hanks is at risk with age and diabetic, and he used that Hydrochloroquine as treatment.

He survived.

Is it because he is rich and received treatment that works?

Your turn.

 

[SavannahMann]

Now think about the defenders of the police. They have to shoot because the bad guy MIGHT be armed. They were afraid the bad guy would be armed. They couldn’t take the chance. They had no choice.



I have never taken issue with the cops shooting someone armed. I argue that we can learn and improve with every situation if we examine it for more than covering the cops ass.

Now consider the blind support of cops. How shooting unarmed people is perfectly justified because he MIGHT have a weapon. Now look at the pandemic where precautions were unjustified because we didn’t KNOW what the mortality rate was. When part, a big part, of that lower mortality was because while we ran close to the limits we managed to avoid exceeding the vital care that saved so many lives.

There are millions of interactions between Black people and police annually, including about 2 million arrests.

In 2019, 1,004 people, mostly white, were shot dead by the police, according to the Washington Post. Assuming that an average of one police officer is involved per killing, then 1,004 police officers, or fourteen-hundredths of 1% of America’s 700,000 police officers, were involved in fatal police shootings. Obviously, the typical police officer will never kill anyone in his career.

Some Lessons from a Washington Post Graphic on Police Shootings

It's no secret to readers of the Volokh Conspiracy, nor to readers of our host site Reason.com, that the American…

reason.com

A Washington Post shows that 14 Black and 25 white “unarmed” Americans were shot dead by police in 2019. An analysis that was broadcast on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" of 10 of the “unarmed” Black decedents showed that for five of these persons, calling them unarmed is misleading: two had cars, one had a stun gun, and two others had guns, authorities said. In those two cases where the decedents had guns, which were the only cases where the weapons were not used to assault police, the officers faced homicide charges.

https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings/blob/master/fatal-police-shootings-data.csv

Even if the remaining deaths were criminal, they do not add up to a narrative of numerous police officers indiscriminately murdering unarmed Black men. Neither do all Black detainees die unless they resist arrest. Indeed, the odds of any unarmed person being shot dead by police are less than their odds of being struck by lightning.

Now, here is a question that is rather rhetorical, but you or the racist Mac1958 can answer it if you like. Don't you hate when facts contradict the left wing hyped narrative?

Half of those shot by police in Georgia were unarmed or shot in the back.

OVER THE LINE: Police shootings in Georgia

Explore reports and cases from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s year-long examination of police shootings in Georgia.

investigations.ajc.com

Now why didn’t that make it into your Washington Post Report?