Congressional Study: Murder Rate Plummets as Gun Ownership Soars

LIBs are not honestly addressing the issue.
Here are the facts:
'Gun' related violence is carried out overwhelmingly by Blacks based on per-capita of population. Every sentient person knows this. Blacks don't use 'automatic weapons'. Too expensive to buy on the street. 99.999% of the hand guns they use are illegal/non-registered to themselves.
All the 'gun control' in the world will never prevent anyone in the 'hood' from getting an illegal hand gun.
The reason crime rates are down in 'conceal' states is because the 'Baby-mamma's' grannies who always ends up taking care of this years crop of Black fatherless/motherless 'baby-mammas/gang-bangers-in -training' Takers isn't telling them not to take anything that doesn't belong to you as the kids go out the door. It's: "Remember, whatever you all get up to tonight the dude may have a gun under his jacket. And you all know what happened to 'T' right?"
So let's be honest.
Give every 'young Black man' in Chicagoland an AK47 and ten thousand rounds and you will see a precipitous drop in 'gun violence'..........after 90% of them kill each other off.

Yea....yea

Blame it on the gangs and n*ggers

The overwhelming majority of murders are by someone who is close to you with domestic violence a leading cause

In my 55 years I have lived in this country, I have heard libtards refer to blacks by the N-word far more often than I have heard it from conservatives. I am not even counting the times I have witness libtards use that word while pretending to be a member of the right wing.

Oh, wait.....
 
Lol, there have been plenty of studies that show the cause and effect, douche bag.

Actually, there haven't

No, actually there are.

Two new studies confirm gun control's worst nightmare: More guns, less crime - Phoenix gun rights | Examiner.com

May 28, 2013

Two new studies released at the beginning of May 2013 have shown that the primary factor in the reduction of the number of gun homicides and violent gun crimes is not gun control, but rather the proliferation of legal gun ownership.

In a study released by Pew Research, violent gun crimes are significantly lower now than they were at their peak during the mid 1990s. Gun homicides declined 49% from 1993 to 2010, despite the fact that population in the United States grew during the same period.

Other violent crimes involving firearms including robberies, assaults, and sex crimes declined 75% in 2011 as compared to 1993. The data also showed that six-in-ten firearms deaths are actually suicides, meaning they are not victims of criminal violence.

According to Bureau of Justice Statistics, there were 31,672 deaths from guns in the U.S. during 2010. Nearly 20,000 of those deaths were gun related suicides.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans are unaware of this decline in firearms violence. The Pew study found that 56% incorrectly perceive that gun crime is actually higher now than it was two decades ago.


More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime | Scoop News

New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime

New research shows there are more guns but less gun crime in New South Wales, Australia. Although the number of legally owned firearms has increased substantially over the past decade, firearm crime has decreased.

The study, in press with an international peer-reviewed journal, found that the number of murders with a firearm, shoot with intent to murder offences, and armed robbery with a firearm have all declined steadily despite ongoing rises in legal firearms ownership.


Global Map of gun ownership
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Global map of intentional homicides
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According to a liberal, this John Lott article cites 18 studies that support the view that more guns equates to having less crime.

http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3522&context=mlr

Lots of gun data here
John Lott's Website

Nice try but it fails to show that one caused the other

You can show that both occured but no causation

In addition, the number of families that own guns is down 17% since 1970. People who own guns are buying more but there are not more armed people....shoots your theory to hell
 
Actually, there haven't

No, actually there are.

Two new studies confirm gun control's worst nightmare: More guns, less crime - Phoenix gun rights | Examiner.com




More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime | Scoop News

New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime

New research shows there are more guns but less gun crime in New South Wales, Australia. Although the number of legally owned firearms has increased substantially over the past decade, firearm crime has decreased.

The study, in press with an international peer-reviewed journal, found that the number of murders with a firearm, shoot with intent to murder offences, and armed robbery with a firearm have all declined steadily despite ongoing rises in legal firearms ownership.


Global Map of gun ownership
5531fadaa3b6e45db4693b097072412bdd229caf.jpg


Global map of intentional homicides
8ae98a1d9cc41cb7f6f71dc8fbb942689840cff3.jpg



According to a liberal, this John Lott article cites 18 studies that support the view that more guns equates to having less crime.

http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3522&context=mlr

Lots of gun data here
John Lott's Website

Nice try but it fails to show that one caused the other

You can show that both occured but no causation

The maps show plenty of data that an honest critically thinking person, which would exclude yourself, could use to begin looking into the issue and totally contradicts one of your lies that the more a nation owns guns the more crime they have or something to that effect.

In addition, the number of families that own guns is down 17% since 1970. People who own guns are buying more but there are not more armed people....shoots your theory to hell

Prove it.

And even were what you say true, the number of people concealed carrying guns is way up and that is what most mean when they say 'more guns' i.e. more guns on the street means less crime on the street.

Unfortunately it will take a lot of immigrant families a generation or two to acclimate to a culture of gun ownership, in all likelihood.
 
No, actually there are.

Two new studies confirm gun control's worst nightmare: More guns, less crime - Phoenix gun rights | Examiner.com




More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime | Scoop News




Global Map of gun ownership
5531fadaa3b6e45db4693b097072412bdd229caf.jpg


Global map of intentional homicides
8ae98a1d9cc41cb7f6f71dc8fbb942689840cff3.jpg



According to a liberal, this John Lott article cites 18 studies that support the view that more guns equates to having less crime.

http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3522&context=mlr

Lots of gun data here
John Lott's Website

Nice try but it fails to show that one caused the other

You can show that both occured but no causation

The maps show plenty of data that an honest critically thinking person, which would exclude yourself, could use to begin looking into the issue and totally contradicts one of your lies that the more a nation owns guns the more crime they have or something to that effect.
.

Your maps show nothing other than that countries engaged in Civil Wars and Drug Wars have high homicide rates

Same as the US

The 1990s benchmark that the NRA likes to trumpet was the height of the crack wars in this country. As the crack wars subsided, so did the homicide rates
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-11-06/news/8802130346_1_murder-rate-crack-nightclub

For the NRA to take credit is ludicrous
 
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And here I thought it was an overall aging of the population base as the baby boomers aged out of their high crime youth, that was the reason for declining crime statistics across first world countries.

Most crime is committed by the young. When boomers hit their 20's, crime rates rose and kept rising because of the enormous size of the boomer demographic. Now that the boomers are done sowing their wild oats, they've settled quietly into old/middle age and they're behaving themselves.

This hasn't happened in only the USA, but in every other first world country as well, even ones where gun ownership is strictly regulated.


But don't let facts get in the way of a good NRA excuse for arming the population.
 
Briebart? Not a good source. Here is a better one. One that shows that this is not just one number.

Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

For anything.


Otherwise, a successful defense of Second Amendment rights will also include acknowledging the facts concerning guns and gun violence, and reminding advocates of gun control that one is not required to justify the exercising of a Constitutional right as prerequisite to indeed exercise that right.

For example, while it is true that a gun in the home is more likely to kill a family member than an intruder, that doesn’t mitigate the right of the homeowner to nonetheless own a firearm, nor does it justify more restrictive gun control laws; a civil liberty cannot be restricted predicated on something that ‘might’ happen.

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
 
The murder rate has plummeted because the crack wars of the 90s have ended

Yeah, all is peaceful in the ghettos now you moron. Sounds like you've had you share of crack today.

Compared to the 90s, they are peaceful

More guns had nothing to do with it.....less drugs did

And yet blacks still account for well over 50% of "gun violence", and Latinos in their hoods account for a good chunk as well.

If you want to disarm the people doing the killings, I suggest you start there. Leave your plans to disarm law abiding middle class white citizens at the door.
 
Briebart? Not a good source. Here is a better one. One that shows that this is not just one number.

Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

For anything.


Otherwise, a successful defense of Second Amendment rights will also include acknowledging the facts concerning guns and gun violence, and reminding advocates of gun control that one is not required to justify the exercising of a Constitutional right as prerequisite to indeed exercise that right.

For example, while it is true that a gun in the home is more likely to kill a family member than an intruder, that doesn’t mitigate the right of the homeowner to nonetheless own a firearm, nor does it justify more restrictive gun control laws; a civil liberty cannot be restricted predicated on something that ‘might’ happen.
Really.

Background checks restrict a ciivil liberty predicated on the idea that someone might be breaking the law when exercising his right to buy a gun.

Good to see you now oppose them.
 
Yeah, all is peaceful in the ghettos now you moron. Sounds like you've had you share of crack today.

Compared to the 90s, they are peaceful

More guns had nothing to do with it.....less drugs did

And yet blacks still account for well over 50% of "gun violence", and Latinos in their hoods account for a good chunk as well.

If you want to disarm the people doing the killings, I suggest you start there. Leave your plans to disarm law abiding middle class white citizens at the door.

Got it

Disarm the n*ggers
 
Nice try but it fails to show that one caused the other

You can show that both occured but no causation

The maps show plenty of data that an honest critically thinking person, which would exclude yourself, could use to begin looking into the issue and totally contradicts one of your lies that the more a nation owns guns the more crime they have or something to that effect.
.

Your maps show nothing other than that countries engaged in Civil Wars and Drug Wars have high homicide rates

Same as the US

The 1990s benchmark that the NRA likes to trumpet was the height of the crack wars in this country. As the crack wars subsided, so did the homicide rates
Crack Wars Push Murder Rate To Record Level In Washington - Chicago Tribune

For the NRA to take credit is ludicrous

The NRA is taking credit for leading the efforts to keep gun grabbing fascists from stealing our guns, as they would like to do.

But Russia is not in a civil war nor is it fighting a drug war, and yet, despite draconian gun controls, they have high intentional homicide rates.

Switzerland has laws mandating assault rifle ownership and its murder rates are low compared to any other country in Europe.

The US by global standards ahs low rates and high gun ownership rates. If the US data omitted cities controlled by Dimbocrats, our rates would be even better than Switzerlands.

So the fascist gun grabbing rhetoric is false and easily seen s such.
 
Compared to the 90s, they are peaceful

More guns had nothing to do with it.....less drugs did

And yet blacks still account for well over 50% of "gun violence", and Latinos in their hoods account for a good chunk as well.

If you want to disarm the people doing the killings, I suggest you start there. Leave your plans to disarm law abiding middle class white citizens at the door.

Got it

Disarm the n*ggers

Back to your racist hate speech I see.
 
Yeah, all is peaceful in the ghettos now you moron. Sounds like you've had you share of crack today.

Compared to the 90s, they are peaceful

More guns had nothing to do with it.....less drugs did

And yet blacks still account for well over 50% of "gun violence", and Latinos in their hoods account for a good chunk as well.

If you want to disarm the people doing the killings, I suggest you start there. Leave your plans to disarm law abiding middle class white citizens at the door.

The black community is targeted by hypocrital libtards for disarmament using gun control laws.

They don't broadcast it as such, but you see a Democrat controlled city that has a majority of minority populations and they immediately restrict gun ownership.

The Democrats have done this consistently since the end of the Civil War and Reconstruction.
 
The maps show plenty of data that an honest critically thinking person, which would exclude yourself, could use to begin looking into the issue and totally contradicts one of your lies that the more a nation owns guns the more crime they have or something to that effect.
.

Your maps show nothing other than that countries engaged in Civil Wars and Drug Wars have high homicide rates

Same as the US

The 1990s benchmark that the NRA likes to trumpet was the height of the crack wars in this country. As the crack wars subsided, so did the homicide rates
Crack Wars Push Murder Rate To Record Level In Washington - Chicago Tribune

For the NRA to take credit is ludicrous

The NRA is taking credit for leading the efforts to keep gun grabbing fascists from stealing our guns, as they would like to do.

But Russia is not in a civil war nor is it fighting a drug war, and yet, despite draconian gun controls, they have high intentional homicide rates.

Switzerland has laws mandating assault rifle ownership and its murder rates are low compared to any other country in Europe.

The US by global standards ahs low rates and high gun ownership rates. If the US data omitted cities controlled by Dimbocrats, our rates would be even better than Switzerlands.

So the fascist gun grabbing rhetoric is false and easily seen s such.

Your misleading map fails to show that Europe has a murder rate one third of our own and much stricter gun laws. The US has a low murder rate only when compared to third world nations

Russia suffers from mob violence fighting for control

You have failed miserably to show any connection between more guns and less crime
 
Your maps show nothing other than that countries engaged in Civil Wars and Drug Wars have high homicide rates

Same as the US

The 1990s benchmark that the NRA likes to trumpet was the height of the crack wars in this country. As the crack wars subsided, so did the homicide rates
Crack Wars Push Murder Rate To Record Level In Washington - Chicago Tribune

For the NRA to take credit is ludicrous

The NRA is taking credit for leading the efforts to keep gun grabbing fascists from stealing our guns, as they would like to do.

But Russia is not in a civil war nor is it fighting a drug war, and yet, despite draconian gun controls, they have high intentional homicide rates.

Switzerland has laws mandating assault rifle ownership and its murder rates are low compared to any other country in Europe.

The US by global standards ahs low rates and high gun ownership rates. If the US data omitted cities controlled by Dimbocrats, our rates would be even better than Switzerlands.

So the fascist gun grabbing rhetoric is false and easily seen s such.

Your misleading map fails to show that Europe has a murder rate one third of our own and much stricter gun laws. The US has a low murder rate only when compared to third world nations

Russia suffers from mob violence fighting for control

You have failed miserably to show any connection between more guns and less crime

And for good reason: there isn’t any.
 
And here I thought it was an overall aging of the population base as the baby boomers aged out of their high crime youth, that was the reason for declining crime statistics across first world countries.

Most crime is committed by the young. When boomers hit their 20's, crime rates rose and kept rising because of the enormous size of the boomer demographic. Now that the boomers are done sowing their wild oats, they've settled quietly into old/middle age and they're behaving themselves.

This hasn't happened in only the USA, but in every other first world country as well, even ones where gun ownership is strictly regulated.


But don't let facts get in the way of a good NRA excuse for arming the population.

You are arguing about which contributing factor deserves more 'credit' as a singular cause when there rarely is a singular cause to any effect in the real world. That an aging population probably contributes to a drop in crime does not contradict the suggestion that other factors ALSO play a roll ind pushing things toward the resulting phenomena.

In other words, you just stated nothing of consequence or relevance because it is likely BOTH factors that contributed, and not just one.
 
Your maps show nothing other than that countries engaged in Civil Wars and Drug Wars have high homicide rates

Same as the US

The 1990s benchmark that the NRA likes to trumpet was the height of the crack wars in this country. As the crack wars subsided, so did the homicide rates
Crack Wars Push Murder Rate To Record Level In Washington - Chicago Tribune

For the NRA to take credit is ludicrous

The NRA is taking credit for leading the efforts to keep gun grabbing fascists from stealing our guns, as they would like to do.

But Russia is not in a civil war nor is it fighting a drug war, and yet, despite draconian gun controls, they have high intentional homicide rates.

Switzerland has laws mandating assault rifle ownership and its murder rates are low compared to any other country in Europe.

The US by global standards ahs low rates and high gun ownership rates. If the US data omitted cities controlled by Dimbocrats, our rates would be even better than Switzerlands.

So the fascist gun grabbing rhetoric is false and easily seen s such.

Your misleading map fails to show that Europe has a murder rate one third of our own and much stricter gun laws. The US has a low murder rate only when compared to third world nations

Russia suffers from mob violence fighting for control

You have failed miserably to show any connection between more guns and less crime

In your biased opinion, which is hardly a shock to anyone that has read your posts.

Not all of Europe has a lower intentional homicide rate than the US so your statement is a lie, simple as that.

Not all of Europe has stricter gun laws, so another lie.

Do you ever tell the Truth?
 
The NRA is taking credit for leading the efforts to keep gun grabbing fascists from stealing our guns, as they would like to do.

But Russia is not in a civil war nor is it fighting a drug war, and yet, despite draconian gun controls, they have high intentional homicide rates.

Switzerland has laws mandating assault rifle ownership and its murder rates are low compared to any other country in Europe.

The US by global standards ahs low rates and high gun ownership rates. If the US data omitted cities controlled by Dimbocrats, our rates would be even better than Switzerlands.

So the fascist gun grabbing rhetoric is false and easily seen s such.

Your misleading map fails to show that Europe has a murder rate one third of our own and much stricter gun laws. The US has a low murder rate only when compared to third world nations

Russia suffers from mob violence fighting for control

You have failed miserably to show any connection between more guns and less crime

And for good reason: there isn’t any.

Of course there is and many studies show it.

just because it isn't in Mother Jones doesn't make it false.
 
In other words, you just stated nothing of consequence or relevance because it is likely BOTH factors that contributed, and not just one.

Except that handgun ownership is relatively rare in Canada, and almost no one, other than law enforcement officers are licensed to carry weapons. IOW's, the only people carrying weapons, aside from cops and armoured car personnel, are crooks.

And yet Canada has experienced the same drop in violent crime rates as the US. That would lead one to believe that gun ownership and open carrying of weapons has no effect on the crime rate one way or the other.
 
Your maps show nothing other than that countries engaged in Civil Wars and Drug Wars have high homicide rates

Same as the US

The 1990s benchmark that the NRA likes to trumpet was the height of the crack wars in this country. As the crack wars subsided, so did the homicide rates
Crack Wars Push Murder Rate To Record Level In Washington - Chicago Tribune

For the NRA to take credit is ludicrous

The NRA is taking credit for leading the efforts to keep gun grabbing fascists from stealing our guns, as they would like to do.

But Russia is not in a civil war nor is it fighting a drug war, and yet, despite draconian gun controls, they have high intentional homicide rates.

Switzerland has laws mandating assault rifle ownership and its murder rates are low compared to any other country in Europe.

The US by global standards ahs low rates and high gun ownership rates. If the US data omitted cities controlled by Dimbocrats, our rates would be even better than Switzerlands.

So the fascist gun grabbing rhetoric is false and easily seen s such.

Your misleading map fails to show that Europe has a murder rate one third of our own and much stricter gun laws. The US has a low murder rate only when compared to third world nations

Russia suffers from mob violence fighting for control

You have failed miserably to show any connection between more guns and less crime

Europe also doesn't have the huge percentage of minorities that the US does, but hey lets ignore those little facts, after all, we all know race never place a factor in these things. It's easier to just claim that their gun restrictions are responsible for their lower crime rates. While we're at it lets ignore Switzerland, because they don't have strict gun control yet have low murder rates.
 
In other words, you just stated nothing of consequence or relevance because it is likely BOTH factors that contributed, and not just one.

Except that handgun ownership is relatively rare in Canada, and almost no one, other than law enforcement officers are licensed to carry weapons. IOW's, the only people carrying weapons, aside from cops and armoured car personnel, are crooks.

And yet Canada has experienced the same drop in violent crime rates as the US. That would lead one to believe that gun ownership and open carrying of weapons has no effect on the crime rate one way or the other.

Remind us again what percentage of Canada's population is black?
 

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