Congressional Study: Murder Rate Plummets as Gun Ownership Soars

[dannyboys]

Harvard study finds a gun in the home increases risk of suicide - Science - Boston.com

State-wide gun ownership tied to suicide deaths | Fox News

Republicans say every cloud has a silver lining.

Ya and if there were no such thing as firearms the Liberal Indoctrination Center AKA Harvard would declare that having a bottle of bleach in the home increases the risk of suicide.
You can't argue with the facts: The more people who own guns the lower the rate of gun violence.
I will say however there are 'pockets' throughout the country where that stat. goes all to hell. Those pockets would of course be the 'inner cities'.
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[driveby]

Harvard study finds a gun in the home increases risk of suicide - Science - Boston.com

State-wide gun ownership tied to suicide deaths | Fox News

Republicans say every cloud has a silver lining.

Right, because we all know guns make people jump off bridges, intentionally overdose on pills, cut their own wrists, hang themselves, etc.....

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Arming ourselves, whether we agree with it or not, was a cornerstone to our great country.

I know that it's at times, dangerous. I understand that people are prone to accidents, but do we stop driving because people are killed every day? Do we stop or prevent the sale of alcohol because it destroys lives? Does that type of "regulation" ever actually work or does it just favour crooks?

I long for the days that I am less 'safe" and more free.

 

[NoNukes]

Sixteen more school shootings since Sandy Hook, a year ago.

Yes, and they would not have happened had there been armed guards at the schools, nitwit.

You think that people carrying concealed weapons is the way to prevent crime, and you need armed guards in schools to stop school shootings. And next, you will be arguing that America is the greatest country in the world. People like you are the nitwits.

 

[Godboy]

Compared to the 90s, they are peaceful

More guns had nothing to do with it.....less drugs did

I love it how you libtards will try to disprove one causal affect by suggesting that it was actually a different cause that gave us the impacts we see, when any thinking person knows almost every case of change occurs due to multiple affects, not singletons.

So for you to say it was a drop in the drug wars instead of an increase in gun ownership not only flies in the face of reason and easily available evidence to the contrary, but it is on its face a red herring argument, in other words pure bullshit.

Again, you demonstrate what an ideological liar and stooge you are, rightwinger.

You have not proved cause and effect between more guns and less crime.

We have more guns
Crime has gone down
Therefore, more guns caused less crime

It doesn't work like that

If that is true, why do you guys say that gun control will lead to LESS crime? In your own words, "it doesn't work like that". Why are you so comfortable with being a hypocrite?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Congressional Study: Murder Rate Plummets as Gun Ownership Soars

We don’t need a Congressional study to know that many ignorant conservatives, such as the OP, will contrive a failed ‘argument’ against gun control predicated on a post hoc fallacy:

Post Hoc Argument: (also, "post hoc propter hoc" argument, or the "too much of a coincidence" argument): The classic fallacy that because something comes at the same time or just after something else, the first thing is caused by the second. E.g., [because the murder rate decreases as gun ownership increases, more guns mean less crime.]

Master List of Logical Fallacies

It’s this sort of stupidity from many on the right that poses a greater threat to our rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than from any ‘gun grabber.’

A successful defense of Second Amendment rights will be based on compelling advocates of gun control to justify their positions using facts and evidence, which they’ll be unable to do.

For example, there is no evidence in support of an ‘assault weapons’ ban, given the fact that less than 2 percent of crimes are committed involving such firearms:

According to a 1997 survey of 203,300 state and federal prisoners who had been armed during the commission of the crimes for which they were incarcerated, fewer than 1 in 50, or less than 2%, used, carried, or possessed a semiautomatic assault weapon or machine gun.397

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL32842_20121114.pdf

Given these facts and that semi-automatic rifles are clearly in common use, such a ban would not pass Constitutional muster.

 

[rightwinger]

I love it how you libtards will try to disprove one causal affect by suggesting that it was actually a different cause that gave us the impacts we see, when any thinking person knows almost every case of change occurs due to multiple affects, not singletons.

So for you to say it was a drop in the drug wars instead of an increase in gun ownership not only flies in the face of reason and easily available evidence to the contrary, but it is on its face a red herring argument, in other words pure bullshit.

Again, you demonstrate what an ideological liar and stooge you are, rightwinger.

You have not proved cause and effect between more guns and less crime.

We have more guns
Crime has gone down
Therefore, more guns caused less crime

It doesn't work like that

Lol, there have been plenty of studies that show the cause and effect, douche bag.

Actually, there haven't

 

[rightwinger]

I love it how you libtards will try to disprove one causal affect by suggesting that it was actually a different cause that gave us the impacts we see, when any thinking person knows almost every case of change occurs due to multiple affects, not singletons.

So for you to say it was a drop in the drug wars instead of an increase in gun ownership not only flies in the face of reason and easily available evidence to the contrary, but it is on its face a red herring argument, in other words pure bullshit.

Again, you demonstrate what an ideological liar and stooge you are, rightwinger.

You have not proved cause and effect between more guns and less crime.

We have more guns
Crime has gone down
Therefore, more guns caused less crime

It doesn't work like that

If that is true, why do you guys say that gun control will lead to LESS crime? In your own words, "it doesn't work like that". Why are you so comfortable with being a hypocrite?

Because there is evidence from around the world showing that those countries with gun control have a murder rate one third that of the US

Those countries with escalating gun ownership have murder rates commensurate with the rate we suffer from

 

[rightwinger]

The number of guns in the country has soared but the percentage of homes with guns has dropped significantly

Blows out the premise of the OP

http://theweek.com/article/index/254111/sandy-hook-a-year-later-our-hopeless-gun-debate

The long-term trend against gun ownership is slowly moving in your favor. About half of all U.S. households owned guns in the 1970s. This fell to about 43 percent in the 1990s and is about 37 percent now.

 

[Geaux4it]

The leftist anti-gun loons wet dream

-Geaux

 

[Godboy]

You have not proved cause and effect between more guns and less crime.

We have more guns
Crime has gone down
Therefore, more guns caused less crime

It doesn't work like that

If that is true, why do you guys say that gun control will lead to LESS crime? In your own words, "it doesn't work like that". Why are you so comfortable with being a hypocrite?

Because there is evidence from around the world showing that those countries with gun control have a murder rate one third that of the US

Those countries with escalating gun ownership have murder rates commensurate with the rate we suffer from

You have not proved cause and effect between less guns and less crime, you hypocrite.

We have less guns
Crime has gone down
Therefore, less guns caused less crime

It doesn't work like that.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Sixteen more school shootings since Sandy Hook, a year ago.

Than you for helping to prove the premise that anit-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why do these far right idiots repost the same debunked shit over and over and over and over and over…
Do they have short term memory problems?
Or if you repeat a lie enough times… blah blah blah….

Noted is your complete failure to substantively negate anything he said.
Thank you for helping to prove the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[NoNukes]

Sixteen more school shootings since Sandy Hook, a year ago.

Than you for helping to prove the premise that anit-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Yes, anti gun people have emotion about school shootings, the same cannot be said about the opposition, which is evident by this post.

 

[dannyboys]

LIBs are not honestly addressing the issue.
Here are the facts:
'Gun' related violence is carried out overwhelmingly by Blacks based on per-capita of population. Every sentient person knows this. Blacks don't use 'automatic weapons'. Too expensive to buy on the street. 99.999% of the hand guns they use are illegal/non-registered to themselves.
All the 'gun control' in the world will never prevent anyone in the 'hood' from getting an illegal hand gun.
The reason crime rates are down in 'conceal' states is because the 'Baby-mamma's' grannies who always ends up taking care of this years crop of Black fatherless/motherless 'baby-mammas/gang-bangers-in -training' Takers isn't telling them not to take anything that doesn't belong to you as the kids go out the door. It's: "Remember, whatever you all get up to tonight the dude may have a gun under his jacket. And you all know what happened to 'T' right?"
So let's be honest.
Give every 'young Black man' in Chicagoland an AK47 and ten thousand rounds and you will see a precipitous drop in 'gun violence'..........after 90% of them kill each other off.

 

[rightwinger]

LIBs are not honestly addressing the issue.
Here are the facts:
'Gun' related violence is carried out overwhelmingly by Blacks based on per-capita of population. Every sentient person knows this. Blacks don't use 'automatic weapons'. Too expensive to buy on the street. 99.999% of the hand guns they use are illegal/non-registered to themselves.
All the 'gun control' in the world will never prevent anyone in the 'hood' from getting an illegal hand gun.
The reason crime rates are down in 'conceal' states is because the 'Baby-mamma's' grannies who always ends up taking care of this years crop of Black fatherless/motherless 'baby-mammas/gang-bangers-in -training' Takers isn't telling them not to take anything that doesn't belong to you as the kids go out the door. It's: "Remember, whatever you all get up to tonight the dude may have a gun under his jacket. And you all know what happened to 'T' right?"
So let's be honest.
Give every 'young Black man' in Chicagoland an AK47 and ten thousand rounds and you will see a precipitous drop in 'gun violence'..........after 90% of them kill each other off.

Yea....yea

Blame it on the gangs and n*ggers

The overwhelming majority of murders are by someone who is close to you with domestic violence a leading cause

 

[dannyboys]

LIBs are not honestly addressing the issue.
Here are the facts:
'Gun' related violence is carried out overwhelmingly by Blacks based on per-capita of population. Every sentient person knows this. Blacks don't use 'automatic weapons'. Too expensive to buy on the street. 99.999% of the hand guns they use are illegal/non-registered to themselves.
All the 'gun control' in the world will never prevent anyone in the 'hood' from getting an illegal hand gun.
The reason crime rates are down in 'conceal' states is because the 'Baby-mamma's' grannies who always ends up taking care of this years crop of Black fatherless/motherless 'baby-mammas/gang-bangers-in -training' Takers isn't telling them not to take anything that doesn't belong to you as the kids go out the door. It's: "Remember, whatever you all get up to tonight the dude may have a gun under his jacket. And you all know what happened to 'T' right?"
So let's be honest.
Give every 'young Black man' in Chicagoland an AK47 and ten thousand rounds and you will see a precipitous drop in 'gun violence'..........after 90% of them kill each other off.

Yea....yea

Blame it on the gangs and n*ggers

The overwhelming majority of murders are by someone who is close to you with domestic violence a leading cause

That's right. And and those murders are committed by 'young Black men' based on per-capita of population.
In the 'hood' you're a nobody until you've 'offed' a cousin.
Yes I am blaming the endemic Black on Black violence on those who commit these acts of violence. And yes they are Black and about 99.99% of them are gang affiliated. Even your favorite 'race-whore' Rev. Al is threatening to "MARCH" if the Black on Black violence doesn't stop. Or do you think Rev. Al is just another 'Uncle Tom'?
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You need to give your noggin a shake pal.
Your 'First Affirmative Action President' had to stand in front of the country and basically tell 'young Black men' to "MAN UP".
My God, if a President had to tell my race to "MAN UP" I'd be disgraced.

 

[Old Rocks]

Briebart? Not a good source. Here is a better one. One that shows that this is not just one number.

Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

 

[JimBowie1958]

You have not proved cause and effect between more guns and less crime.

We have more guns
Crime has gone down
Therefore, more guns caused less crime

It doesn't work like that

Lol, there have been plenty of studies that show the cause and effect, douche bag.

Actually, there haven't

No, actually there are.

Two new studies confirm gun control's worst nightmare: More guns, less crime - Phoenix gun rights | Examiner.com

May 28, 2013

Two new studies released at the beginning of May 2013 have shown that the primary factor in the reduction of the number of gun homicides and violent gun crimes is not gun control, but rather the proliferation of legal gun ownership.

In a study released by Pew Research, violent gun crimes are significantly lower now than they were at their peak during the mid 1990s. Gun homicides declined 49% from 1993 to 2010, despite the fact that population in the United States grew during the same period.

Other violent crimes involving firearms including robberies, assaults, and sex crimes declined 75% in 2011 as compared to 1993. The data also showed that six-in-ten firearms deaths are actually suicides, meaning they are not victims of criminal violence.

According to Bureau of Justice Statistics, there were 31,672 deaths from guns in the U.S. during 2010. Nearly 20,000 of those deaths were gun related suicides.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans are unaware of this decline in firearms violence. The Pew study found that 56% incorrectly perceive that gun crime is actually higher now than it was two decades ago.

More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime | Scoop News

New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime

New research shows there are more guns but less gun crime in New South Wales, Australia. Although the number of legally owned firearms has increased substantially over the past decade, firearm crime has decreased.

The study, in press with an international peer-reviewed journal, found that the number of murders with a firearm, shoot with intent to murder offences, and armed robbery with a firearm have all declined steadily despite ongoing rises in legal firearms ownership.

Global Map of gun ownership

Global map of intentional homicides

According to a liberal, this John Lott article cites 18 studies that support the view that more guns equates to having less crime.

http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3522&context=mlr

Lots of gun data here
John Lott's Website

 

[JimBowie1958]

Briebart? Not a good source. Here is a better one. One that shows that this is not just one number.

Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

Libtards love to attack sources when they cant find facts, so looks like you are not the rational person I once thought you were.

Shame, but you rarely post anyway, so no big loss to those on the side of the light and true progress.

As to the FactCheck (irony pegged out) article one sentence tells us all we need know about the article. "Here are some other facts. The United States has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world — by far. And it has the highest rate of homicides among advanced countries." That phrase "among advanced countries" is as big a weasel phrase as one can find in use today. For the gun grabbing fascist, 'advanced countries' leaves out Russia, Mexico and any other nation that does not have the data set that they prefer to use, so they are thus not an 'advanced country', circular logic exhibit number 73,954.