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In a thread like this, we need to be careful when introducing freedom of speech rights, since lefties like to think that censorship is not censorship unless the government is doing it. They will also "fight like hell" to evade getting cornered on how they will never disavow censorship. The lefties on this thread have an innate priority to defend censorship while never being held accountable for answering to the thread topic, so endless discussion of constitutional rights gives them cover.

Do you know the difference between the private sector and the government.

Trump says he will start his own social media in a couple of months. He can promote lies and conspiracy theories all day long and ban democrats and moderates Republicans.
...unless the service providers collude against the new platform and keep it from having any hosting service. That's what happened to Parler initially. They eventually found one hosting service willing to support them, but not before losing a lot of their members and market share.

The problem is that much of the internet has become very monopolistic and oligopolistic. Without healthy competition, the private property argument doesn't hold as much weight.

The common carrier argument is more relevant due to this lack of competition and presence of collusion.

You know US Message can kick you and I off if they find us breaking the rules.
Agreed, but this forum can't be reasonably considered a common carrier. If this forum held 90% of the internet's political activity in America, then they might be reasonably seen as such.

This is why Facebook and Twitter can't be viewed in the same light as a regular political forum.
Some people don't get it.


Edit - some people don't WANT to get it. All they know in this world is what tribe they belong to, and see anything they do to damage the other tribe as justified.

Whereas you and I might orient ourselves around principles, others only know the blind hatred that arises when their extreme partisanship becomes the stuff of tribal identity.
 

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I don't see any censorship. Point some out for me.
What censorship?
I'll ask again: What censorship?
Now, once more, what censorship?

Your repeated attempts at an appeal to ignorance are not fooling anyone.

All you are doing is showing everyone your relentless willful ignorance.
Wtf are you talking about? Can you show me an example of censorship?
 

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I don't see any censorship. Point some out for me.
What censorship?
I'll ask again: What censorship?
Now, once more, what censorship?

Your repeated attempts at an appeal to ignorance are not fooling anyone.

All you are doing is showing everyone your relentless willful ignorance.
It's like a drowning man repeatedly yelling "What water??!!", isn't it?
 

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I don't see any censorship. Point some out for me.
What censorship?
I'll ask again: What censorship?
Now, once more, what censorship?

Your repeated attempts at an appeal to ignorance are not fooling anyone.

All you are doing is showing everyone your relentless willful ignorance.
It's like a drowning man repeatedly yelling "What water??!!", isn't it?
Nobody can quote an example of censorship.
 

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Each time I post a thread about censorship, I learn more about how relevant it is to our current political landscape. My latest observation is that I have not seen any lefties condemn censorship. Every lefty who has ever replied to any of my censorship threads here has only defended censorship. I've watched lefty news and righty news, and I've never seen any lefties condemn censorship there either.

If anybody is aware of any lefties who condemn this form of cheating and corruption, I'd love to read about. Please post any links of lefties disavowing censorship if you see any or know of any. If you are a lefty who disavows censorship, I'd love to see you condemn it right here in the political topic section.
Maybe you should clear up what you mean by "cheating and corruption."

Because when it comes to "cheating and corruption"
You guys seem to have cornered the market.

And

Always something to see someone promoting illegal pornography by attacking censorship.
 
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Each time I post a thread about censorship, I learn more about how relevant it is to our current political landscape. My latest observation is that I have not seen any lefties condemn censorship. Every lefty who has ever replied to any of my censorship threads here has only defended censorship. I've watched lefty news and righty news, and I've never seen any lefties condemn censorship there either.

If anybody is aware of any lefties who condemn this form of cheating and corruption, I'd love to read about. Please post any links of lefties disavowing censorship if you see any or know of any. If you are a lefty who disavows censorship, I'd love to see you condemn it right here in the political topic section.
Maybe you should clear up what you mean by "cheating and corruption."

Because when it comes to "cheating and corruption"
You guys seem to have cornered the market.

And

Always something to see someone promoting illegal pornography by attacking censorship.
I see you are not here to condemn or disavow censorship. You are here to defend it. Like clockwork.
 

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Always something to see someone promoting illegal pornography by attacking censorship.
I see you are not here to condemn or disavow censorship. You are here to defend it. Like clockwork.

I am old enough to remember when the left wrong was the side that defended “free speech”. But what they meant by “free speech” were such things as pornography, obscenity, incitement to criminal activity, and other such content; and not expression of legitimate opinions and beliefs that someone disagreed with.

How ironic it is, not only that it is now the left wrong that is so solidly opposed to genuine free speech, but that now we see someone from that side citing pornography as an excuse to censor legitimate speech.
 
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Very few lefties will just come out and admit that they endorse censorship. The number of lefties who will actually disavow or condemn it drops to zero. Either way, it shows that lefties rely upon cheating.
 

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Always something to see someone promoting illegal pornography by attacking censorship.
I see you are not here to condemn or disavow censorship. You are here to defend it. Like clockwork.

I am old enough to remember when the left wrong was the side that defended “free speech”. But what they meant by “free speech” were such things as pornography, obscenity, incitement to criminal activity, and other such content; and not expression of legitimate opinions and beliefs that someone disagreed with.

How ironic it is, not only that it is now the left wrong that is so solidly opposed to genuine free speech, but that now we see someone from that side citing pornography as an excuse to censor legitimate speech.
No one is censoring your speech. That is a lie you keep telling yourselves.
Your promotion of porn to support forcing PRIVATE BUSINESS to carry your lies and hate is dishonest as well as disgusting.
 

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Your promotion of porn to support forcing PRIVATE BUSINESS to carry your lies and hate is dishonest as well as disgusting.

Where have I done that?

You're the one who cited pornography, suggesting that it is comparable to the expression of legitimate opinions, as an excuse to defend censorship.

Ironically, yours is the side that opposed censorship, and was all for “free speech” when it was about pornography, but now in favor of censorship, and opposed to free speech, when it is about the expression of legitimate opinions with which you disagree. And somehow, you are deluded into thinking that this give syou some sort of moral high ground from which to look down on me.

Modern LIbEralism truly is both a mental disease and a moral disease, as you so vividly demonstrate.
 

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Your promotion of porn to support forcing PRIVATE BUSINESS to carry your lies and hate is dishonest as well as disgusting.

Where have I done that?

You're the one who cited pornography, suggesting that it is comparable to the expression of legitimate opinions, as an excuse to defend censorship.

And who decides which opinions are legitimate?
 

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You're the one who cited pornography, suggesting that it is comparable to the expression of legitimate opinions, as an excuse to defend censorship.

And who decides which opinions are legitimate?

What basis is there to declare an opinion illegitimate, to the point that one should not be allowed to express it?
 

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You're the one who cited pornography, suggesting that it is comparable to the expression of legitimate opinions, as an excuse to defend censorship.

And who decides which opinions are legitimate?

What basis is there to declare an opinion illegitimate, to the point that one should not be allowed to express it?

Well, presumably there is with pornography. So, somewhere between pornography and the bible we draw a line between what we'll consider legitimate expression and what we'll consider beneath public discourse. The question is, where do we draw that line, and more importantly, who draws it?
 

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What basis is there to declare an opinion illegitimate, to the point that one should not be allowed to express it?
Well, presumably there is with pornography. So, somewhere between pornography and the bible we draw a line between what we'll consider legitimate expression and what we'll consider beneath public discourse. The question is, where do we draw that line, and more importantly, who draws it?

If you cannot see the difference between outright pornography, and the expression of an actual opinion; then I don't know what point there can be to trying to have this discussion with you.
 

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What basis is there to declare an opinion illegitimate, to the point that one should not be allowed to express it?
Well, presumably there is with pornography. So, somewhere between pornography and the bible we draw a line between what we'll consider legitimate expression and what we'll consider beneath public discourse. The question is, where do we draw that line, and more importantly, who draws it?

If you cannot see the difference between outright pornography, and the expression of an actual opinion; then I don't know what point there can be to trying to have this discussion with you.
That doesn't answer the questoin.
 

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Your promotion of porn to support forcing PRIVATE BUSINESS to carry your lies and hate is dishonest as well as disgusting.

Where have I done that?

You're the one who cited pornography, suggesting that it is comparable to the expression of legitimate opinions, as an excuse to defend censorship.

Ironically, yours is the side that opposed censorship, and was all for “free speech” when it was about pornography, but now in favor of censorship, and opposed to free speech, when it is about the expression of legitimate opinions with which you disagree. And somehow, you are deluded into thinking that this give syou some sort of moral high ground from which to look down on me.

Modern LIbEralism truly is both a mental disease and a moral disease, as you so vividly demonstrate.
In 1988 if Al's movie store didn't want to carry porn, no one made him.
In 2021 you are demanding that Al and all the other Als be forced to carry you brand of porn.

Don't look at me as the hypocrite, hypocrite. That's all you.

You and the rest of Trumpism demanding to use the government to enforce their personal petty grudges. How "conservative" and tiny-minded of you.
 

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In 1988 if Al's movie store didn't want to carry porn, no one made him.
In 2021 you are demanding that Al and all the other Als be forced to carry you brand of porn.

Don't look at me as the hypocrite, hypocrite. That's all you.

You and the rest of Trumpism demanding to use the government to enforce their personal petty grudges. How "conservative" and tiny-minded of you.

At this point, you're just plain being intellectually dishonest.

In other words, you're lying.

Either that, or you're batshit crazy. Most likely, both.

In any event, no rational basis exists for any sane, honest person to even attempt to have this conversation with you.
 

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In 1988 if Al's movie store didn't want to carry porn, no one made him.
In 2021 you are demanding that Al and all the other Als be forced to carry you brand of porn.

Don't look at me as the hypocrite, hypocrite. That's all you.

You and the rest of Trumpism demanding to use the government to enforce their personal petty grudges. How "conservative" and tiny-minded of you.

At this point, you're just plain being intellectually dishonest.

In other words, you're lying.

Either that, or you're batshit crazy. Most likely, both.

In any event, no rational basis exists for any sane, honest person to even attempt to have this conversation with you.

So, you got nuthin'?

Seems those are some good points you're evading. All this pretense that private censorship is bad is nonsense. It's everyone's right to censor whatever is in their purview.
 

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In 1988 if Al's movie store didn't want to carry porn, no one made him.
In 2021 you are demanding that Al and all the other Als be forced to carry you brand of porn.

Don't look at me as the hypocrite, hypocrite. That's all you.

You and the rest of Trumpism demanding to use the government to enforce their personal petty grudges. How "conservative" and tiny-minded of you.

At this point, you're just plain being intellectually dishonest.

In other words, you're lying.

Either that, or you're batshit crazy. Most likely, both.

In any event, no rational basis exists for any sane, honest person to even attempt to have this conversation with you.

So, you got nuthin'?

Seems those are some good points you're evading. All this pretense that private censorship is bad is nonsense. It's everyone's right to censor whatever is in their purview.
It is not nonsense. Private censorship IS bad, at least to the extreme that it has gone on recently.

Just because the government is not the one to solve it does not mean something is good nor does it mean that it should not be called out and rallied against as a people. Right now the market is to restrictive and ALL the talk is how the government can make it even more so.
 

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In 1988 if Al's movie store didn't want to carry porn, no one made him.
In 2021 you are demanding that Al and all the other Als be forced to carry you brand of porn.

Don't look at me as the hypocrite, hypocrite. That's all you.

You and the rest of Trumpism demanding to use the government to enforce their personal petty grudges. How "conservative" and tiny-minded of you.

At this point, you're just plain being intellectually dishonest.

In other words, you're lying.

Either that, or you're batshit crazy. Most likely, both.

In any event, no rational basis exists for any sane, honest person to even attempt to have this conversation with you.

So, you got nuthin'?

Seems those are some good points you're evading. All this pretense that private censorship is bad is nonsense. It's everyone's right to censor whatever is in their purview.
It is not nonsense. Private censorship IS bad, at least to the extreme that it has gone on recently.

Censorship is just exercising judgement. Whether you think it's good or bad depends on whether you agree with those doing the censoring. I assume you're ok with websites censoring pornography, right?

Just because the government is not the one to solve it does not mean something is good nor does it mean that it should not be called out and rallied against as a people. Right now the market is to restrictive and ALL the talk is how the government can make it even more so.

Sure, I get that. And I'd agree that much of the censorship going on is bad. But I'm really concerned by the calls from many Republicans to "go after", or otherwise regulate, media companies that are censoring in ways they don't like. That would be far worse, more damaging to our nation, than putting up with biased or partisan media.
 
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