Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[JoeB131]

Don't give a ****.

There will be a ******* war if you try it. Who do you think will die?

Probably a few crazy gun nuts... then people will finally DEMAND something be done.

Hey remember when people were supposed to rise up after Waco? YOu had one terrorist attack and that was it... you guys went wimpering off into a corner and McVeigh got fried.

 

[Flash]

Why are you so confused about background checks?

1. They are useless. Past behavior is no guarantee of future behavior. Just look at Obama's little Muslim terrorist in Bolder. He passed a NICS check six days before his terrorism.

Because it wasn't a real background check.

Here's how we do a background check.

We just don't see if your name comes up on a database.

We do a check with your family, your friends and your employer and ask, "Do you think Bob should have a gun?"

If they say no. No gun for you.

2. If you want a gun to do an evil deed a background check will not stop you from getting one.

Except it does in Japan, Germany, the UK and every other civilized country that doesn't have an NRA.

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3. Background checks circumvents the Bill of Rights. If you have to get permission from the government to enjoy a right guaranteed to you under the Bill of Rights then it is not really a right after all, is it? The Bill of Rights isn't worth the parchment it is written on in that case, is it?

Hey, I'm all for Well-Regulated Militias, I was a member of one for years.

Sorry, man, "A bunch of Slave Raping Assholes couldn't clearly write a militia Amendment" is not a good reason for crazies to have easy access to guns.

You are really an idiot, aren't you?

What the hell do you want the filthy ass government to do before someone is given permission to enjoy a right that is guaranteed in the Constitution of the US? A right that says very clearly that it shall not be infringed? A full FBI background investigation? Like I got when I was granted a Top Secret security clearance? When is enough ever going to be enough for you asshole Libtards?

The stupid oppressive Democrats are the ones that pushed this idiotic NICS check through Congress so are you saying this is just another example of their incompetency?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Don't give a ****.

There will be a ******* war if you try it. Who do you think will die?

Probably a few crazy gun nuts... then people will finally DEMAND something be done.

Hey remember when people were supposed to rise up after Waco? YOu had one terrorist attack and that was it... you guys went wimpering off into a corner and McVeigh got fried.

The State of Texas will WALK. There's already a huge movement to ignore and frustrate any federal gun regulations.

This shit will just make it worse.

 

[Blues Man]

There is no law that states a cop cannot shoot a black person if he or she fears for their safety, the safety of others, or presume their life is on the line.

And that's the problem. It's totally legal if the cop merely says he felt all scared and stuff.

"Hey, that was a 12 year old kid with a toy."
"I was really scared!"

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It still has to be justified.

And can you tell the difference between a toy gun or a real gun at 20 yards in the dark?

 

[Blues Man]

There will be no compromise.

My "gun fetish" (aka constitutional right) has cost NO LIVES.

Go **** yourself.

We have 29,000 gun deaths a year.
70,000 gun injuries
400,000 gun crimes
$270,000,000,000 in economic losses.

Eventually, the majority of us who don't have a gun fetish are going to get pretty tired of the guys who do.

Suicides don't count.

Suicide isn't a crime.

And gee maybe if we prosecuted all these people who illegally possess and use guns in federal court crime rates will drop like they did in Richmond VA when they did it.

 

[Flash]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It still has to be justified.

And can you tell the difference between a toy gun or a real gun at 20 yards in the dark?

He's talking about Tamir Rice which happened here in Cleveland. You know how leftists are, always trying to avoid the truth. Here is the "toy" gun he had compared to the real model it was replicated from. Mind you, this "child" took off the fluorescent tip that identified it as a toy.

Joe has seen this picture a dozens times, but Democrats have this mental block when it comes to the truth. They just believe what they want to believe no matter how many times you show how wrong they are.

After the shooting, the case went to a grand jury where they examined the video frame by frame. They concluded that the officer broke no laws by shooting this 5'9" 195 lbs "child" in self defense after he pulled this replica weapon out of his pants in front of the officers. So it was a justified shooting.

 

[Flash]

Don't give a ****.

There will be a ******* war if you try it. Who do you think will die?

Probably a few crazy gun nuts... then people will finally DEMAND something be done.

Hey remember when people were supposed to rise up after Waco? YOu had one terrorist attack and that was it... you guys went wimpering off into a corner and McVeigh got fried.

Yea, you are right. We didn't burn down the cities, looted and murdered like you filthy ass Libtards did last summer with your destructive BLM insurrection.

 

[Flash]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We have 29,000 gun deaths a year.
70,000 gun injuries
400,000 gun crimes
$270,000,000,000 in economic losses.

Eventually, the majority of us who don't have a gun fetish are going to get pretty tired of the guys who do.

Likely the opposite. The idea of more states adopting CCW programs and creating laws that favor the shooter instead of the criminal is evidence of a growing interest in self-defense and the use deadly force. Statistics show that because of that, we have had a near consistent decline in violent and gun crime in the last 30 years.

More than ever, women today are joining the club learning how to use firearms and getting their carry licenses. If the commies push their issue against guns and law abiding citizens, they may be signing their death certificate as a party.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm all for cops being held accountable, but most cops are good guys, and most of the time they get it right.

If you want to talk about why cops shoot people so often, it's because they never know if the guy they pull over for a minor traffic violation might be a nut with a gun.

I don't have a problem with a background check being really hard to pass. They should be.

If you think a constitutional right should be hard to exercise, why not to vote as well?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And that's the problem. It's totally legal if the cop merely says he felt all scared and stuff.

"Hey, that was a 12 year old kid with a toy."
"I was really scared!"

Yes, that's actually a picture of a 5'9" 195 lbs kid, isn't it? Much like the Travon case, the family provided a picture of the suspect several years earlier to fool dupes like you.

It's not just police that have the permission to use deadly force against somebody they believe will cause them serious bodily harm or death, it's us armed citizens as well. As a CCW holder in my state, I'm legally allowed to use deadly force under those conditions. It's the law. Just like it's the law I'm allowed to kill somebody trying to break into my car while I occupy it. They don't have to be armed. All I need is evidence (broken glass, witness, video) they were trying to break into my vehicle. This is why in commie cities and states, you see people being dragged out of their car during a riot. Nobody does that in my state, because in doing so, you would be giving us permission to kill you.

 

[Blues Man]

And that's the problem. It's totally legal if the cop merely says he felt all scared and stuff.

"Hey, that was a 12 year old kid with a toy."
"I was really scared!"

Yes, that's actually a picture of a 5'9" 195 lbs kid, isn't it? Much like the Travon case, the family provided a picture of the suspect several years earlier to fool dupes like you.

It's not just police that have the permission to use deadly force against somebody they believe will cause them serious bodily harm or death, it's us armed citizens as well. As a CCW holder in my state, I'm legally allowed to use deadly force under those conditions. It's the law. Just like it's the law I'm allowed to kill somebody trying to break into my car while I occupy it. They don't have to be armed. All I need is evidence (broken glass, witness, video) they were trying to break into my vehicle. This is why in commie cities and states, you see people being dragged out of their car during a riot. Nobody does that in my state, because in doing so, you would be giving us permission to kill you.

There's a caveat to that.

For a self defense shooting to be justified the person who shot in self defense has the burden of proof that he acted as any reasonable person would have in the same situation.

There is no presumption of innocence.

 

[SavannahMann]

The problems with police are accountability. For generations police have gotten away with doing pretty much whatever they want. And for generations the people, the population has encouraged and endorsed this. If bad guys get tuned up on the way to jail? Well they shouldn’t have been bad.

Regular People who commit gun crimes are held accountable by comparison.

But think about this for a moment. The same cops who have shown a clear bias against minorities will be the ones conducting these investigations to determine if minorities should be allowed to buy guns. The same cops who lie in one case out of five will be investigating minorities to decide if they should be allowed to get a gun.

I wonder if you had considered that. The same cops who are abusing people would be given more authority and opportunity to abuse people by denying them their civil rights.

The answer to the problems we are having is changes in policy and accountability. Not more unchecked authority and even less accountability.

I'm all for cops being held accountable, but most cops are good guys, and most of the time they get it right.

If you want to talk about why cops shoot people so often, it's because they never know if the guy they pull over for a minor traffic violation might be a nut with a gun.

I don't have a problem with a background check being really hard to pass. They should be.

Do we have the same standard for any other right? Say the First?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There's a caveat to that.

For a self defense shooting to be justified the person who shot in self defense has the burden of proof that he acted as any reasonable person would have in the same situation.

There is no presumption of innocence.

Actually just the opposite. Our law reads that I can use deadly force if I believe I'm in jeopardy of serous bodily harm or death. In other words, in order to charge me with murder, a prosecutor must have evidence in what I believed at the time. Also, there is no legal definition of what serious bodily harm is.

Using deadly force is no different than any other law we have. You are presumed innocent unless evidence shows that you committed a crime. Even then, if charged, the prosecutor must then prove to the court that I had no reason to believe what I did, since the prosecutor cannot prove what I actually believed unless I went on Facebook bragging how I killed a guy that I knew was no threat to me.

 

[Blues Man]

There's a caveat to that.

For a self defense shooting to be justified the person who shot in self defense has the burden of proof that he acted as any reasonable person would have in the same situation.

There is no presumption of innocence.

Actually just the opposite. Our law reads that I can use deadly force if I believe I'm in jeopardy of serous bodily harm or death. In other words, in order to charge me with murder, a prosecutor must have evidence in what I believed at the time. Also, there is no legal definition of what serious bodily harm is.

Using deadly force is no different than any other law we have. You are presumed innocent unless evidence shows that you committed a crime. Even then, if charged, the prosecutor must then prove to the court that I had no reason to believe what I did, since the prosecutor cannot prove what I actually believed unless I went on Facebook bragging how I killed a guy that I knew was no threat to me.

And if the DA decides to prosecute you the burden of proof is on you.

You are not presumed innocent because you have already admitted you shot and killed someone.

What needs to be proven in court if the case goes to court is that you were justified in shooting and killing that someone.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And if the DA decides to prosecute you the burden of proof is on you.

You are not presumed innocent because you have already admitted you shot and killed someone.

What needs to be proven in court if the case goes to court is that you were justified in shooting and killing that someone.

No, the prosecutor has to prove I wasn't.

I have a CCW license. I used deadly force in accordance with the law. I don't have to prove I did that, the prosecutor has to prove I was not within the constraints of our laws. If the investigating officers believe I was acting illegally, they arrest me and tell me what I'm being charged with. They can't arrest me simply for using deadly force and then I have to prove why I did so.

 

[Flash]

I don't have a problem with a background check being really hard to pass. They should be.

You don't know jackshit about the Constitution, do you?

You Moon Bats are as ignorant of the Bill of Rights as you are of Economics, History, Biology, Climate Science and Ethics.

It does not say that the Bill of Rights only applies to you if the government gives you permission, does it? If it did then it really isn't a Bill of Rights, is it? It is more like a list of things the government may let you do if they deem you worthy. Kinda a Bill of Permissions, huh?

You Moon Bats aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, are you?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If anyone and everyone could be armed at all times and in all places with no criminal penalty for the sole act of being armed, what would that society look like?

How many mass murderers attack police stations? Gun stores? Gun shows? Gun ranges? Hardcore right-wing militia headquarters? It's always a place where no one is armed and can offer NO response. With no gun laws, even for violent felons, what would happen?

When every encounter is potentially a deadly one, suddenly everyone is polite, nonviolent, courteous, self-aware, conscious.

The REAL issue for gun haters is that they believe they will be forced to actually protect themselves, instead of laying that burden on the unwilling or incompetent. They thought of having to actually touch one of those "evil" "uncivilized" "weapons of war" makes gun hating hoplophobes soil their britches.

An individual's desire for gun control is nothing more than another one of that individual's compulsive rituals brought on by the internal need to reduce their anxiety caused by their irrational fear of guns. It is entirely similar to obsessive hand washing by germaphobes.

I believe any individual wanting gun control should be ordered to have a psych evaluation and treatment for their irrational fear.

 

[Flash]

Don't give a ****.

There will be a ******* war if you try it. Who do you think will die?

Probably a few crazy gun nuts... then people will finally DEMAND something be done.

Hey remember when people were supposed to rise up after Waco? YOu had one terrorist attack and that was it... you guys went wimpering off into a corner and McVeigh got fried.

You dumb Moon Bat.

It has been explained to you many times but being a stupid Libtard you don't have the comprehension skills to understand it. Like I have said many times, you Moon Bats are not exactly the best and brightest. You are kinda all dumbfucks.

The great majority of the gun crime in this country is in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes among the minority demographics of druggies, gang bangers and street thugs.

What is the Liberal plan to stop that gun crime in cities that already have strict gun control laws?

You don't have one, do you?

The reason you don't have one is because you agenda is not public safety. Your agenda is to make this country a Socialist shithole without any individual Liberty. That is why you ignore the real crime among the Democrat voting Negroes and are attacking White Republican voing gun owners that very seldom commit gun crimes. Not anywhere near the rate of Democrat's special interest groups like the Muslim refugee that shot up the grocery store the other day or the Negroes that do it every day in cities like Chicago.