Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[Ray From Cleveland]

He survived a murder attempt at 18 by stabbing the living **** out of the guy and did 5 years for it. He finally won his appeals and the court acknowledged it was self-defense after he was released. He's a firearms/defense instructor and an expert on the thinking, behavior, and training of high order criminals and violent predators...... he knows what they're like, he ******* lived in tight quarters with them for years.

Thanks. I never heard of the guy, but what I was looking for was the circumstance, year and city. I've said many times myself that if I had to go to a commie state like CA or NY, I'd be hesitant about using a firearm even if I knew it was totally justified. My state is pretty much on the side of the victim over the criminal which is why we instituted a CCW program some 15 years ago.

 

[freyasman]

He survived a murder attempt at 18 by stabbing the living **** out of the guy and did 5 years for it. He finally won his appeals and the court acknowledged it was self-defense after he was released. He's a firearms/defense instructor and an expert on the thinking, behavior, and training of high order criminals and violent predators...... he knows what they're like, he ******* lived in tight quarters with them for years.

Thanks. I never heard of the guy, but what I was looking for was the circumstance, year and city. I've said many times myself that if I had to go to a commie state like CA or NY, I'd be hesitant about using a firearm even if I knew it was totally justified. My state is pretty much on the side of the victim over the criminal which is why we instituted a CCW program some 15 years ago.

Texas is pretty self-defense friendly as a whole too, but that didn't help Terry Thompson in Harris County.

Never, ever, ever count on government employees to do the right thing.

 

[JoeB131]

You are really an idiot, aren't you?

What the hell do you want the filthy ass government to do before someone is given permission to enjoy a right that is guaranteed in the Constitution of the US? A right that says very clearly that it shall not be infringed? A full FBI background investigation? Like I got when I was granted a Top Secret security clearance? When is enough ever going to be enough for you asshole Libtards?

The stupid oppressive Democrats are the ones that pushed this idiotic NICS check through Congress so are you saying this is just another example of their incompetency?

Actually, if the FBI ever read the crazy shit you post here, they'd realize you are a hate crime looking for a place to happen.

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

 

[JoeB131]

It isn't a cost....criminals don't get to destroy Rights simply because they are criminals....and guns have nothing to do with suicide....as you have been shown over and over again......but you don't care, you have a fetish about guns.....

Background checks are only used to get to gun registration, you doofus....we know this from actual history around the world........

You mean the rest of the world where they don't have mass shootings? I'm down with that.

 

[SavannahMann]

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

Slavery was a world wide practice at the time. The proof is in the history books. But what is interesting if you read the history is Americans. The slave rapists you denounce. They were liberal for the era. They were the progressive thinkers of the time they lived in.

A couple centuries from now people will look back and scream at us. One of those subjects is ethanol. They will be unable to understand why we turned food into fuel while people starved around the globe.

The point is context. At the time the Second was written people bought cannon. The literal big guns of the era. The bought cannons and armed ships. These were defensive against Pirates and offensive as Privateers.

Mass manufacturing of weapons was definitely on the horizon. And had actually begun. There was no way to arm an army with cottage industry.

And as for their ability to imagine the future. I am an old Paratrooper. The idea of Airborne Troops begins with Ben Franklin. He was the Ambassador to France. While there he viewed some drawings from Leonardo Da Vinci.

Airborne forces - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Franklin saw the military application of this simple drawing. He asked how much chaos could a battalion of soldiers cause if they were able to be dropped behind enemy lines.

We saw how much. It was World War II before the theory was proven. But the theory was proven conclusively.

There is no way that you could take on the most powerful military in history with any hope of victory unless you were part dreamer, part visionary, and part madman.

Look how the rights have evolved. Freedom of Speech has become Freedom of Expression. Cruel and Unusual is nothing like it was at the time it was written.

If you told the people who passed the 14th Amendment that one day a century hence interracial marriage would be legal they would have never passed it. If you told them that a Black Man would be President. Or a Black Woman would be Vice President the Civil War wouldn’t have been fought.

The Union might have disapproved of Slavery. But they were still racist. The proof of that is the history of the next 150 years.

But the Union was Liberal for the Era. They were the progressives of their time. And the truth is what it is.

Merely to denounce the foundation of our freedoms as the rambling nonsense of slave rapists is to put the entire foundation of our country up for grabs. What is freedom of speech? Why should we allow it? It is merely the ramblings of slave rapists. Why not force someone to testify against himself? What is stopping us? A slave rapist?

History has shown that when we weaken one part of those rights we weaken all rights. I do not want to see any rights weakened further. Much less all of them.

 

[Vrenn]

You are really an idiot, aren't you?

What the hell do you want the filthy ass government to do before someone is given permission to enjoy a right that is guaranteed in the Constitution of the US? A right that says very clearly that it shall not be infringed? A full FBI background investigation? Like I got when I was granted a Top Secret security clearance? When is enough ever going to be enough for you asshole Libtards?

The stupid oppressive Democrats are the ones that pushed this idiotic NICS check through Congress so are you saying this is just another example of their incompetency?

Actually, if the FBI ever read the crazy shit you post here, they'd realize you are a hate crime looking for a place to happen.

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

That's the first time I EVER heard anyone in public admit to a "Top Secret" security clearance. And the FBI wouldn't be the agency to render that anyway. As the story goes, if you have to ask your security clearance, you don't need one.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, if the FBI ever read the crazy shit you post here, they'd realize you are a hate crime looking for a place to happen.

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

If you live in terror then it's all part of your imagination. And if you live in terror, you should see if you can get a CCW permit and carry a firearm with you when you go to places you feel are a threat.

 

[2aguy]

It isn't a cost....criminals don't get to destroy Rights simply because they are criminals....and guns have nothing to do with suicide....as you have been shown over and over again......but you don't care, you have a fetish about guns.....

Background checks are only used to get to gun registration, you doofus....we know this from actual history around the world........

You mean the rest of the world where they don't have mass shootings? I'm down with that.

Paris had one....137 murdered by seven muslims with illegal, fully automatic military weapons and grenades.........they were on French terrorist watch lists and several were already convicted felons...and they were able to get fully automatic military rifles and grenades in a city where they are illegal, in a country where they are illegal and on a continent where they are illegal.....

 

[freyasman]

You are really an idiot, aren't you?

What the hell do you want the filthy ass government to do before someone is given permission to enjoy a right that is guaranteed in the Constitution of the US? A right that says very clearly that it shall not be infringed? A full FBI background investigation? Like I got when I was granted a Top Secret security clearance? When is enough ever going to be enough for you asshole Libtards?

The stupid oppressive Democrats are the ones that pushed this idiotic NICS check through Congress so are you saying this is just another example of their incompetency?

Actually, if the FBI ever read the crazy shit you post here, they'd realize you are a hate crime looking for a place to happen.

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

Are we supposed to believe you're not reporting to them?




LOL

 

[freyasman]

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

Slavery was a world wide practice at the time. The proof is in the history books. But what is interesting if you read the history is Americans. The slave rapists you denounce. They were liberal for the era. They were the progressive thinkers of the time they lived in.

A couple centuries from now people will look back and scream at us. One of those subjects is ethanol. They will be unable to understand why we turned food into fuel while people starved around the globe.

The point is context. At the time the Second was written people bought cannon. The literal big guns of the era. The bought cannons and armed ships. These were defensive against Pirates and offensive as Privateers.

Mass manufacturing of weapons was definitely on the horizon. And had actually begun. There was no way to arm an army with cottage industry.

And as for their ability to imagine the future. I am an old Paratrooper. The idea of Airborne Troops begins with Ben Franklin. He was the Ambassador to France. While there he viewed some drawings from Leonardo Da Vinci.

Airborne forces - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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Franklin saw the military application of this simple drawing. He asked how much chaos could a battalion of soldiers cause if they were able to be dropped behind enemy lines.

We saw how much. It was World War II before the theory was proven. But the theory was proven conclusively.

There is no way that you could take on the most powerful military in history with any hope of victory unless you were part dreamer, part visionary, and part madman.

Look how the rights have evolved. Freedom of Speech has become Freedom of Expression. Cruel and Unusual is nothing like it was at the time it was written.

If you told the people who passed the 14th Amendment that one day a century hence interracial marriage would be legal they would have never passed it. If you told them that a Black Man would be President. Or a Black Woman would be Vice President the Civil War wouldn’t have been fought.

The Union might have disapproved of Slavery. But they were still racist. The proof of that is the history of the next 150 years.

But the Union was Liberal for the Era. They were the progressives of their time. And the truth is what it is.

Merely to denounce the foundation of our freedoms as the rambling nonsense of slave rapists is to put the entire foundation of our country up for grabs. What is freedom of speech? Why should we allow it? It is merely the ramblings of slave rapists. Why not force someone to testify against himself? What is stopping us? A slave rapist?

History has shown that when we weaken one part of those rights we weaken all rights. I do not want to see any rights weakened further. Much less all of them.

Well said.


I don't always agree with you on every point you make, but I sure am glad you're here making all those points, and doing it well.

Keep that shit up, Airborne.

 

[Flash]

You are really an idiot, aren't you?

What the hell do you want the filthy ass government to do before someone is given permission to enjoy a right that is guaranteed in the Constitution of the US? A right that says very clearly that it shall not be infringed? A full FBI background investigation? Like I got when I was granted a Top Secret security clearance? When is enough ever going to be enough for you asshole Libtards?

The stupid oppressive Democrats are the ones that pushed this idiotic NICS check through Congress so are you saying this is just another example of their incompetency?

Actually, if the FBI ever read the crazy shit you post here, they'd realize you are a hate crime looking for a place to happen.

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

You stupid confused Moon Bat.

The government trust me a lot more than insurrectionist commie Moon Bats like you.

The Federal government has granted me a Confidential, Secret, Top Secret, Top Secret Crypto. "L" and "Q" clearances and I have had more background investigations that you could possibly comprehend.

They trust me with nuclear weapon technology so it is OK that I have a couple of dozen AR-15s.

I have a homework assignment for you. Go read the Bill of Rights and pay particular attention to the second one. Then come back and tell me what is wrong with enjoying a right that is guaranteed under Constitutional. Just because you are a little chickenshit Moon Bat ***** don't mean that we Americans are.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

What is an assault weapon? Legal definition, not liberal definition.

 

[daveman]

There will be no compromise.

My "gun fetish" (aka constitutional right) has cost NO LIVES.

Go **** yourself.

We have 29,000 gun deaths a year.
70,000 gun injuries
400,000 gun crimes
$270,000,000,000 in economic losses.

Eventually, the majority of us who don't have a gun fetish are going to get pretty tired of the guys who do.

I'm curious how you people who are afraid of guns are going to take the guns away from people who own and practice with them.

 

[daveman]

You are really an idiot, aren't you?

What the hell do you want the filthy ass government to do before someone is given permission to enjoy a right that is guaranteed in the Constitution of the US? A right that says very clearly that it shall not be infringed? A full FBI background investigation? Like I got when I was granted a Top Secret security clearance? When is enough ever going to be enough for you asshole Libtards?

The stupid oppressive Democrats are the ones that pushed this idiotic NICS check through Congress so are you saying this is just another example of their incompetency?

Actually, if the FBI ever read the crazy shit you post here, they'd realize you are a hate crime looking for a place to happen.

I don't think we should all live in terror of gun nuts because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't foresee the mass production of guns and a gun industry with no ethics.

You can't control your emotions. We get it. Leftists have all the emotional maturity of toddlers who need a nap.

However, your inability to control your emotions does not obligate normal people to change their behavior to suit you. The onus is on you to grow the hell up.

 

[Vrenn]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

What is an assault weapon? Legal definition, not liberal definition.

Already been answered. Or are you fishing for a definition that you want to hear. Okay, here is one.

It's any firearm, edged weapon or bludgeoning tool that YOU personally own. Not the rest of us. Insane Fruitcakes like you shouldn't be able to smuggle in things that can harm others or yourself into the mental hospital.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

What is an assault weapon? Legal definition, not liberal definition.

Already been answered. Or are you fishing for a definition that you want to hear. Okay, here is one.

It's any firearm, edged weapon or bludgeoning tool that YOU personally own. Not the rest of us. Insane Fruitcakes like you shouldn't be able to smuggle in things that can harm others or yourself into the mental hospital.

No its never been answered. No legally recognized definition of an "assault rifle" has ever been posted.

 

[Vrenn]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

What is an assault weapon? Legal definition, not liberal definition.

Already been answered. Or are you fishing for a definition that you want to hear. Okay, here is one.

It's any firearm, edged weapon or bludgeoning tool that YOU personally own. Not the rest of us. Insane Fruitcakes like you shouldn't be able to smuggle in things that can harm others or yourself into the mental hospital.

No its never been answered. No legally recognized definition of an "assault rifle" has ever been posted.

Because it's a military term and not a Sillyvillain term as per a few Federal Court Rulings. And any legislature that uses that term is just begging to get their brand new spanking law to be bounced by those same courts. Now, the ones that place the phrase "AR-15/AK47 and their various clones" seem to cut the legal mustard.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

What is an assault weapon? Legal definition, not liberal definition.

Already been answered. Or are you fishing for a definition that you want to hear. Okay, here is one.

It's any firearm, edged weapon or bludgeoning tool that YOU personally own. Not the rest of us. Insane Fruitcakes like you shouldn't be able to smuggle in things that can harm others or yourself into the mental hospital.

No its never been answered. No legally recognized definition of an "assault rifle" has ever been posted.

Because it's a military term and not a Sillyvillain term as per a few Federal Court Rulings. And any legislature that uses that term is just begging to get their brand new spanking law to be bounced by those same courts. Now, the ones that place the phrase "AR-15/AK47 and their various clones" seem to cut the legal mustard.

That's right. Which means they're trying to put a scary sounding military term on to civilian semi auto rifles in order to enact illegal gun legislation against them.

 

[Vrenn]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

What is an assault weapon? Legal definition, not liberal definition.

Already been answered. Or are you fishing for a definition that you want to hear. Okay, here is one.

It's any firearm, edged weapon or bludgeoning tool that YOU personally own. Not the rest of us. Insane Fruitcakes like you shouldn't be able to smuggle in things that can harm others or yourself into the mental hospital.

No its never been answered. No legally recognized definition of an "assault rifle" has ever been posted.

Because it's a military term and not a Sillyvillain term as per a few Federal Court Rulings. And any legislature that uses that term is just begging to get their brand new spanking law to be bounced by those same courts. Now, the ones that place the phrase "AR-15/AK47 and their various clones" seem to cut the legal mustard.

That's right. Which means they're trying to put a scary sounding military term on to civilian semi auto rifles in order to enact illegal gun legislation against them.

Or could it be that the AR IS a scary military weapon in the first place. It fits all the squares of the M-16A4 when it's used in normal combat. The A4 is not really a true full automatic or machine gun. It has the 3 shot burst that no one in their right mind uses once you leave basic or post. It's a huge waste of ammo. Take that feature away and there is absolutely nothing different about the AR to the M-16A4 or the M-4. It was made for one thing and one thing only. To kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible and it hit the mark. Not one feature is there for anything else.

I am sick and tired of cops responding to a shooting only to face an AR and die. Those are the good ones. He goes into the situation with nothing but his handgun and is severely outgunned and dies. Pretty much, the first one or two that are on station have died. Yes, he may or may not have had a Colt Model 6920 in the trunk but he won't have it going in at first. And he dies.

 

[SavannahMann]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

What is an assault weapon? Legal definition, not liberal definition.

Already been answered. Or are you fishing for a definition that you want to hear. Okay, here is one.

It's any firearm, edged weapon or bludgeoning tool that YOU personally own. Not the rest of us. Insane Fruitcakes like you shouldn't be able to smuggle in things that can harm others or yourself into the mental hospital.

No its never been answered. No legally recognized definition of an "assault rifle" has ever been posted.

Because it's a military term and not a Sillyvillain term as per a few Federal Court Rulings. And any legislature that uses that term is just begging to get their brand new spanking law to be bounced by those same courts. Now, the ones that place the phrase "AR-15/AK47 and their various clones" seem to cut the legal mustard.

That's right. Which means they're trying to put a scary sounding military term on to civilian semi auto rifles in order to enact illegal gun legislation against them.

Or could it be that the AR IS a scary military weapon in the first place. It fits all the squares of the M-16A4 when it's used in normal combat. The A4 is not really a true full automatic or machine gun. It has the 3 shot burst that no one in their right mind uses once you leave basic or post. It's a huge waste of ammo. Take that feature away and there is absolutely nothing different about the AR to the M-16A4 or the M-4. It was made for one thing and one thing only. To kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible and it hit the mark. Not one feature is there for anything else.

I am sick and tired of cops responding to a shooting only to face an AR and die. Those are the good ones. He goes into the situation with nothing but his handgun and is severely outgunned and dies. Pretty much, the first one or two that are on station have died. Yes, he may or may not have had a Colt Model 6920 in the trunk but he won't have it going in at first. And he dies.

We will skip past the Military Specific Alloys used in the M-16. Let’s focus on your definition of an Assault Rifle. An AR or AK.

So that means the Mini-14 is not an Assault Weapon. Not is the IMI Galil or Travor Rifles. Nor the L1A2. The SCAR or other FN rifles.

Here is a list of rifles that fire the exact same ammo that are not Assault Weapons by your definition. Well the vast majority aren’t because they aren’t AR’s.

List of 5.56×45mm NATO firearms - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That leaves a lot of weapons available. So your definition means that all those other rifles would be available for purchase. Like banning the Dodge Hellcat to stop street racing. A lot of other cars are still available. And a lot of them are faster than the hellcat.

Companies that make the AR clones would retool and start making clones of SCAR’s or other similar weapons. Or they would make the 416 which is an operating rod version of an AR but is not an AR because the AR has a long gas tube.

Six months after you ban the AR’s you would have all the rifles available. IMI would be making the Galil by the ton as well as the Trevor.

Nothing would change. The Gang Bangers kept killing each other even after they banned the Tec 9, the Ingram, and the Uzi’s. People would just get different weapons. Just as the Gang Bangers moved on from the Tec 9’s.