Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[Ray From Cleveland]

Was the booze designed to drive a car? Um. No.

The thing is, bars are obligated by law NOT to get you so shit-faced drunk you are going to run someone over. We have BASSET training, and a bar owner can be held liable if he let you get so drunk you went out and killed someone.

Same thing with gun shops.

Apples and oranges. If a bartender knowingly serves you enough times to allow you to get drunk, he or she is liable because they participated in your irresponsible actions. Gun manufacturers only sell to licensed gun dealers, and those dealers order firearms based on consumer demand. The manufacturers have no idea who will be buying their products, and the licensed dealer has no idea of how their customers will use the product they buy from them, no different than the sales person at the dealership you buy an automobile from.

All a licensed gun dealer does is run your identity through a federal background check, and sells you the product you want to buy if you that background check is approved by the federal government.

Holding the gun manufacturer or dealer responsible is no different than if you wanted to buy a car, and the dealership and manufacturer refused to sell you one because you had a DUI 3 years ago, or perhaps had a conviction of vehicular homicide in your past. Dealers don't do that. If you are legally able to purchase an automobile, they sell you that automobile.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, no, since they aren't designed for that.

Guns are designed to kill people.

Guns are designed to put a projectile into the air. You can use that projectile to hunt, to enjoy target practice, to protect yourself, family and even strangers in the street. They are no more designed to murder people than a computer is designed to set people up to be robbed, killed, lure children into sex, or scam people, yet it happens all the time.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Sounds great. That precedent should follow other things. We should allow Microsoft and Apple to be sued when people use their computers to lure children for sex, or set people up to be robbed and killed responding to sales ads. A woman who used to unload me at one of my stops got taken for her life savings because some player conned her nickel and dime. Can she sue the match making site where she met this scammer that robbed her of that 30 grand?

Actually, no, since they aren't designed for that.

Guns are designed to kill people.

The only function of a gun is to kill another person? WHAT THE ****? You can think of no other purpose in the design but to kill other humans?

Are you saying knives are designed only to stab people to death? (what if "kitchenaid" is scribed on the side)

Bats are only designed to bash in skulls?

Boot heels are only designed to curb stomp?

You are a retarded ************. Design is WHOLLY irrelevant.

Just admit that you hate guns and gun rights, and GET THE **** OUT OF MY COUNTRY and go somewhere where you don't have rights.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

How many laws do we need before criminals start obeying them?

By that logic, we should get rid of all laws, because Criminals break those, too!

Murder laws? We had 19,000 murders. Clearly the murder laws aren't dissuading murderers.

Not surprisingly, you are laboring under the misconception that you can prevent violent crime through legislation, or that laws are intended to prevent crime.

WRONG

Laws only establish prohibited behavior and punishment for same.

This illustrates your need to control not just guns but everything. You think you can make the whole world a happy, joyjoy, kumbaya singing pot farm by subjugating humanity.

You are mistaken.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, look. A leftist once again demanding all-powerful government and refusing to hold criminals responsible.

Don't you ever get tired of being a dumbass?

Uh, guy, I have no problem with holding criminals responsible...that's not the point.

The point is, when you have easy access to guns, any fool can have a "really bad day" and become a criminal.

The guy who shot all the Asian hookers had no criminal record. He just had a "really bad day" and easy access to guns.

 

[JoeB131]

The only function of a gun is to kill another person? WHAT THE ****? You can think of no other purpose in the design but to kill other humans?

Are you saying knives are designed only to stab people to death? (what if "kitchenaid" is scribed on the side)

So you are shooting up your kitchen during meal prep?

Not surprisingly, you are laboring under the misconception that you can prevent violent crime through legislation, or that laws are intended to prevent crime.

Every other advanced country regulates who can own guns. None of them have the problems with violence we have.

 

[JoeB131]

I said just as horrific, run through a crowd slashing with an edged weapon and you get horrific results. If you did the same with any firearm, you'd get swarmed the first time you stopped for a magazine change. At close range I very much doubt you'd get nearly as many kills/injuries as the guy with the edged weapon.

Sandy Hook. Guy was able to reload several times. Columbine. Atlanta. Boulder yesterday. This is a crock and you know it.

Not that it matters, you guys want the mass shooters to have access to bigger and bigger magazines, so they never need to reload.

Shithead...every ******* gun store and licensed gun dealer has to do federal background checks.....you lying asshole.

Then those background checks are inadequate.

They should treat the background check like an actual background check. For instance, when I got my last job, they did a background check. They called several of my former coworkers and employers.

They should do that with guns. Ask your co-workers and neighbors if you are a nut or not. My guess, they wouldn't be too keen on that.

The thing we find out after every last one of these mass shootings is that everyone in the person's life knew he was nuts.

 

[JoeB131]

Apples and oranges. If a bartender knowingly serves you enough times to allow you to get drunk, he or she is liable because they participated in your irresponsible actions. Gun manufacturers only sell to licensed gun dealers, and those dealers order firearms based on consumer demand. The manufacturers have no idea who will be buying their products, and the licensed dealer has no idea of how their customers will use the product they buy from them, no different than the sales person at the dealership you buy an automobile from.

Given the deadly potential of guns, that isn't good enough.

Here's the real problem. If there was legal liability, gun manufacturers would change how they do business. they would be the ones performing REAL background checks, instead of selling to every crazy who wants a gun hoping to scare the straights into wanting them, too.

 

[Blues Man]

Any bets on what yesterday's shooter used?

I bet it was an AR style rifle with a large capacity magazine. The gold standard for mass shootings all over the USA.

Yeah, and if we got rid of the AR, mass shooters would stop killing people.

I agree, nutters are still gonna go nuts.

But they might not be able to kill as many at once.

Tell that to the VA Tech shooter

Why? Did he do a comparison?

He used handguns. So you don't need an AR ti kill a lot of people

 

[Blues Man]

How many laws do we need before criminals start obeying them?

By that logic, we should get rid of all laws, because Criminals break those, too!

Murder laws? We had 19,000 murders. Clearly the murder laws aren't dissuading murderers.

The only thing you are ignoring is that we don't enforce the gun laws we have on the books so what makes you think more gun laws will be enforced.

No law is effective if it's not enforced.

When federal gun laws are enforced the murder rate drops

 

[JoeB131]

The only thing you are ignoring is that we don't enforce the gun laws we have on the books so what makes you think more gun laws will be enforced.

No law is effective if it's not enforced.

When federal gun laws are enforced the murder rate drops

Let's put real laws on the books, and then you can get back to me.

 

[Blues Man]

Then your beef is with the Federal agencies who conduct background checks, not with legal gun owners.

No, my beef is with the NRA and the gun makers who've made it impossible to conduct background checks.

But you don't dare criticize them. You want law-abiding Americans unable to resist your wished-for totalitarianism.

Again, guy, guns don't prevent totalitarianism. Never have, never will. Germany had a shit load of guns before Hitler came to power, despite attempts to limit gun ownership. Hitler actually loosened the gun laws (for Germans, not the Jews) and there were lots of guns in Germany, but the "Good Germans" never rose up.

Here's the reality... if the ATF came for you tomorrow, they'd get you. Most of your neighbors wouldn't get involved.

Here's an idea: Why don't you try disarming criminals first? You know, as a trial run. Let me know how it works out for you.

Here's an idea, how about we get the gun industry to stop flooding the streets with guns...

it's not impossible.

In fact anyone can contact a FFL in their area to do a background check for the purpose of a gun sale.

I obey our federal gun laws and if I was to sell a gun to a person I didn't know I would have a BG check done.

But I'm more likely to trade a gun in at a gun store than I am to sell it on Craigs list

 

[Blues Man]

The only thing you are ignoring is that we don't enforce the gun laws we have on the books so what makes you think more gun laws will be enforced.

No law is effective if it's not enforced.

When federal gun laws are enforced the murder rate drops

Let's put real laws on the books, and then you can get back to me.

You mean real laws like it's illegal for a felon to buy or possess a firearm?

 

[JoeB131]

it's not impossible.

In fact anyone can contact a FFL in their area to do a background check for the purpose of a gun sale.

I obey our federal gun laws and if I was to sell a gun to a person I didn't know I would have a BG check done.

But I'm more likely to trade a gun in at a gun store than I am to sell it on Craigs list

That's nice. But some asshole out there is selling them on Craig's List... and that's the problem.

 

[Blues Man]

it's not impossible.

In fact anyone can contact a FFL in their area to do a background check for the purpose of a gun sale.

I obey our federal gun laws and if I was to sell a gun to a person I didn't know I would have a BG check done.

But I'm more likely to trade a gun in at a gun store than I am to sell it on Craigs list

That's nice. But some asshole out there is selling them on Craig's List... and that's the problem.

It's an easy fix.

Just require all gun sales be subject to a BG check.

No one should have an issue with that.

But even more important is the enforcement of our federal gun laws already on the books.

 

[SavannahMann]

Apples and oranges. If a bartender knowingly serves you enough times to allow you to get drunk, he or she is liable because they participated in your irresponsible actions. Gun manufacturers only sell to licensed gun dealers, and those dealers order firearms based on consumer demand. The manufacturers have no idea who will be buying their products, and the licensed dealer has no idea of how their customers will use the product they buy from them, no different than the sales person at the dealership you buy an automobile from.

Given the deadly potential of guns, that isn't good enough.

Here's the real problem. If there was legal liability, gun manufacturers would change how they do business. they would be the ones performing REAL background checks, instead of selling to every crazy who wants a gun hoping to scare the straights into wanting them, too.

Out of curiosity. What is a Real Background Check?

 

[Crepitus]

Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

Any bets on what yesterday's shooter used?

I bet it was an AR style rifle with a large capacity magazine. The gold standard for mass shootings all over the USA.

and every single one was on the FBI's watch dog list, but they're to busy watching guys like me.

Why would they be watching you?

free white and 21

No.

Well, would you believe I was in Dallas on Nov 23, 1963

No

 

[Crepitus]

Any bets on what yesterday's shooter used?

I bet it was an AR style rifle with a large capacity magazine. The gold standard for mass shootings all over the USA.

Yeah, and if we got rid of the AR, mass shooters would stop killing people.

I agree, nutters are still gonna go nuts.

But they might not be able to kill as many at once.

Tell that to the VA Tech shooter

Why? Did he do a comparison?

He used handguns. So you don't need an AR ti kill a lot of people

So he did do a comparison?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's nice. But some asshole out there is selling them on Craig's List... and that's the problem.

So how many murders or mass murders are because a criminal got their guns from Craigslist? The majority of illegal guns are purchased off the street from other criminals and straw buyers, who face little in the way of a penalty if they purchased a weapon for somebody else not legally allowed to own a firearm. This is not conjecture, this comes from FBI statistics.

 

[Mac-7]

The point is, when you have easy access to guns, any fool can have a "really bad day" and become a criminal.

The guy who shot all the Asian hookers had no criminal record. He just had a "really bad day" and easy access to guns.

Careful

you are revealing the gun grabbers intention to remove all our guns

and thats supposed to be a secret till its too late to stop you