Colorado baker told to bake that cake

Yeah, actually it is. If you went into a restaurant and got food poisoning, your response would not be to write them a bad Yelp review, you'd call the board of health and get them shut down.
Poisoning people, committed fraud, etc are already illegal. What you mean by "regulation" is dictating their business practices for your convenience. To force conformity because you can't be bothered to think for yourself.
The problem here is that if you are white, straight and male, you don't need protections. You already have privilege.
No. That's just the excuse you lean on. The same way the Trumpsters accuse anyone who objects to their intrusive regulations of being "groomer". I speak up against nanny state excess, and you imply that I'm a racist.
 
Poisoning people, committed fraud, etc are already illegal. What you mean by "regulation" is dictating their business practices for your convenience. To force conformity because you can't be bothered to think for yourself.

Or it's defining good practices. If you are suing someone for food poisoning AFTER someone prepared your meal after he wiped his ass, that's a bit too late. The ideal thing is to enforce good sanitation practices so it never gets to that.

It's also illegal to discriminate.

No. That's just the excuse you lean on. The same way the Trumpsters accuse anyone who objects to their intrusive regulations of being "groomer". I speak up against nanny state excess, and you imply that I'm a racist.

Well, if the Hood fits, wear it.
 
Or it's defining good practices.
And I guess that's the crux of it. You think that's the primary purpose of government and I think it's a fundamental abuse of democracy.
It's also illegal to discriminate.
Only in very narrow circumstances deemed beneficial to the state.

Well, if the Hood fits, wear it.
I guess you have no room to bitch when Trumpsters call you a "groomer".
 
And I guess that's the crux of it. You think that's the primary purpose of government and I think it's a fundamental abuse of democracy.

Yes, I'm an adult who understands how the world works and you are a libertarian child. We've established that.

Only in very narrow circumstances deemed beneficial to the state.
You mean, protecting groups that actually suffer discrimination?

I guess you have no room to bitch when Trumpsters call you a "groomer".
Except they sound stupid when they do it, but never mind.
 
Ahh .. The old standby. Outta gas already?

The problem with talking with libertarians is that you have a child-like view of how the world should work. But there's a reason why we have rules for Children.

Only those who. make the list.
Who isn't on the list? No discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation or gender identity. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
 

His defence is the ridiculous religous freedom one that he used to deny a gay couple a cake a few yesrs ago. What does the bible say about trannys ?

It seems that a common link in these bigot cases is well funded extremist laawyers. These bigots never refuse cakes for adulterers or criminals or people who eat shellfish.

They make me sick to my stomach.
And here we thought slavery was dead in America
 
The problem with talking with libertarians is that you have a child-like view of how the world should work. But there's a reason why we have rules for Children.
Still posing? Try an argument supporting your views. Or, well, nevermind.
Who isn't on the list? No discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation or g identity. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Every other type of discrimination is not on the list. You can discriminate against ugly people, fat people, stupid people, poor people - etc, etc, etc...

The point is, the common claim that anti discrimination laws require businesses to treat everyone equally is bullshit.
 
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Still posing? Try an argument supporting your views. Or, well, nevermind.

I gave you one. You didn't like it because you have magical childlike thinking on how the world works.

Every other type of discrimination is not on the list. You can discriminate against ugly people, fat people, stupid people, poor people - etc, etc, etc...

The point is, the common claim that anti discrimination laws require businesses to treat everyone equally is bullshit.

I'm all for expanding protections.. except for the Stupid.. they deserve what they get if they keep voting MAGA.
 
I gave you one. You didn't like it because you have magical childlike thinking on how the world works.
Childish insults not add up to an argument. You seem to like them though.
I'm all for expanding protections.. except for the Stupid.. they deserve what they get if they keep voting MAGA.
So, some are more equal than others?
 
Again, if he doesn't want to have his religious sensibilities offended, he probably needs to find something else to do for a living. Or stop being a prude. That works, too.


Um, it's USMB. Going to USMB and whining that people were rude is like going to a whorehouse and saying "I didn't feel the love."

Oh, can I say, "Whorehouse"? Maybe "A House of Ill-repute".

Again, if he doesn't want to have his religious sensibilities offended, he probably needs to find something else to do for a living. Or stop being a prude. That works, too.

We’ll, it’s a good thing that our cotus was written to afford people protections from other people forcing them to violate their rights, and you can be a business owner and still observe your religious freedoms.

Um, it's USMB. Going to USMB and whining that people were rude is like going to a whorehouse and saying "I didn't feel the love."


It’s not about them being rude, it’s their apparent black of regard to their own standards. If you claim you are a defender of the gay and trans community, but then use derogatory words and slurs against them as an insult toward other people, it undermines your whole stance, and you, someone who has been arguing with me for weeks now about gay wedding cakes, is apparently ok with that kind of behavior and using slurs against gay people is ok with you.
 
Except they really haven't. The ONLY ruling they made was that the commission should not have been so dismissive of his religious beliefs. They did not give an overall religious exemption to PA Laws, because THAT would cause chaos.
Yeah, but if they rule in favor of the gay couple, then what that says is that your cotus rights can be legislated away. If you think PA laws can force a business owner to give up his rights, then what other laws can we find to force you to give up other rights?
 
Fair enough. You can be a racist or homophobic douchenoodle if you want to.

But once you open a business, you have to treat everyone equally.
Absolutely, as long as someone doesn’t ask you to do something against your rights.
 
We’ll, it’s a good thing that our cotus was written to afford people protections from other people forcing them to violate their rights, and you can be a business owner and still observe your religious freedoms.

Actually, COTUS says nothing about businesses having rights.

It’s not about them being rude, it’s their apparent black of regard to their own standards. If you claim you are a defender of the gay and trans community, but then use derogatory words and slurs against them as an insult toward other people, it undermines your whole stance, and you, someone who has been arguing with me for weeks now about gay wedding cakes, is apparently ok with that kind of behavior and using slurs against gay people is ok with you.

I wouldn't use that kind of term, but I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch because someone called Putin a f@g.

Yeah, but if they rule in favor of the gay couple, then what that says is that your cotus rights can be legislated away. If you think PA laws can force a business owner to give up his rights, then what other laws can we find to force you to give up other rights?

Actually, it's a pretty simple standard. You can have "rights". Your business has obligations to follow commerce laws. This is INCREDIBLY simple.

It's why you can have all the sex you want, but the minute you take money for it, you are breaking the law. Then it becomes commerce.

Absolutely, as long as someone doesn’t ask you to do something against your rights.

Hey, I'll be perfectly honest. I have nothing but contempt for fundy religious nitwits. But if the come to my business, I check my contempt at the door and give them the services I advertised to the best of my abilities.

For instance, right after Trump won, I had some nitwit come to me because he wanted a resume to apply for a Federal Job. (He was kind of delusional). I was straight up forward with him and told him I didn't vote for Trump, but I would still do the best job that I could and He would get the same level of service any other customer would get. I even gave him some useful advice on formatting. (That he probably needed a Federal Format, not a standard format). He never followed up, but it wasn't because I refused him.
 
Actually, COTUS says nothing about businesses having rights.
A business is just a person, or people, doing business. And, as much as you love imagining otherwise, they have Constitutionally protected rights.

I realize you want something different. You think anyone who dares to operate a private venture in your socialist wonderland should forfeit their rights and serve the state's interests. Fuck that.
 
A business is just a person, or people, doing business. And, as much as you love imagining otherwise, they have Constitutionally protected rights.
Not really.

For instance, as a person, you have the right to say anything you want. Even if you know it to be untrue.

But a business can't make false claims. They are bound by business regulations stating all information has to be true and accurate. It's why contracts are often followed by pages of legalese.


I realize you want something different. You think anyone who dares to operate a private venture in your socialist wonderland should forfeit their rights and serve the state's interests. Fuck that.

You seem to think "the State" is this amorphous blob. The State is us. I realize you have this child-like view that says otherwise


Case in point, when I go into a business to eat, I want to be reasonable sure that the employees are following sanitation procedures. It would be an overreach for "the state" to insist you do such a thing in your home, but when dealing with the public, it's completely reasonable.

It's completely reasonable for the state to insist that everyone be treated fairly as a customer.
 
Not really.
Yes. Really.
You seem to think "the State" is this amorphous blob. The State is us.
No. The state is not us. That's a liberal lie. A fantasy.

At best (and "at best" is a rare occurrence), the state represents the interests of the majority. I'm not usually in the majority, so the state sure as fuck isn't me, and doesn't represent my interests.

At worst, the state is completely disconnected from "us" and is there simply to control people for the benefit of those in charge.
 
Should a Muslim baker be forced to bake a cake celebrating Israeli Independence Day?
Should a progressive baker be forced to bake a cake celebrating Donald Trump's birthday?
Should a vegetarian anti-hunting baker be forced to bake a cake celebrating someone's trophy kill? ["Congratulations, Bill, I think you got the last of the species!"]
 

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