Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

Glaciers don't shrink?

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...


You can post your ice core data from the NA glacier if that proves your claim.

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

To fail to prove how old it was.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose, unless Mammooo and Crick were on the jury...
 
All he'll or anyone have is a timeline. And he presented it fine.

Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
All he'll or anyone have is a timeline. And he presented it fine.

Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Post #215, link provided.

Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

#215 was Crick.
hmm interesting. another was #220
 
Still looking for any proof of his stupid claims.
Did you see the newest?
All he'll or anyone have is a timeline. And he presented it fine.

Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Still looking for any proof of his stupid claims.
Did you see the newest?
All he'll or anyone have is a timeline. And he presented it fine.

Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Post #215, link provided.

Post #217.....

The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles.

From the genetic material of these organisms, the researchers infer that Greenland’s temperature once varied from 50 degrees Fahrenheit in summer to 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit in winter—the temperature range that the tree species prefer.

“We have shown for the first time that southern Greenland … was once very different to the Greenland we see today,” said study leader Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen.

Less glacial cover in ancient Greenland means the global ocean was probably between three and six feet higher during that time compared to current levels, the scientists say.

“To get this site ice free you would’ve had to remove the ice cover from about the southern third of Greenland,” study team member Martin Sharp, a glaciologist at the University of Alberta, Canada, told LiveScience.

The findings, detailed in the July 6 issue of the journal Science, demonstrate how far the young field of ancient DNA research has come: scientists can now recreate an environment’s climate and ecology using only recovered DNA, without the need for fossils that might be absent or hard to reach.

“To go from dirty water to a forest full of insects is pretty amazing,” study team member Matthew Collins, a biomolecular archaeologist at the University of York, said in a related Science news article.

Greenland’s thick ice sheets served as a perfect, natural freezer for preserving the prehistoric DNA. Older genetic samples have been found, but none in such pristine condition as the new Greenland samples.

The team says their technique could be applied to DNA found in other icy parts of the globe, such as Antarctica. “Given that 10 percent of the Earth’s terrestrial surface is covered by thick ice sheets, it could open up a world of new discoveries,” said study team member Enrico Cappellini of the University of York in the United Kingdom.

Plants still survive in Greenland today, although mostly along the island’s coast, since the interior is blanketed in ice. “There’s tundra vegetation,” Sharp said. “There’s also dwarf birch probably, and willows almost are certain. But not pine or spruce, which we have in the DNA here.”

I never denied Greenland was green, BTW.

No mention in there of continent spanning glacier in NA during any green period in Greenland.

Thanks for trying to help LaDerpster, he can use all the help he can get.
 
Glaciers don't shrink?

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...


You can post your ice core data from the NA glacier if that proves your claim.

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

To fail to prove how old it was.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose, unless Mammooo and Crick were on the jury...

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

Not as stupid as mentioning Ice Cores as some sort of proof concerning the NA ice sheet.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose


If you posted proof of the million plus year age of the NA glacier, what post #?
 
Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Post #215, link provided.

Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

#215 was Crick.
hmm interesting. another was #220

Around 16,000 years ago glaciers covered Indiana. For hundreds of years, the glaciers moved about a foot a day. While moving outward and then retreating back, the glaciers carved the land. As the ice melted, the glaciers created and left behind dunes, hills, rivers and lakes.

No help there......
 
All he'll or anyone have is a timeline. And he presented it fine.

Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
All he'll or anyone have is a timeline. And he presented it fine.

Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Post #215, link provided.

Post #217.....

The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles.

From the genetic material of these organisms, the researchers infer that Greenland’s temperature once varied from 50 degrees Fahrenheit in summer to 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit in winter—the temperature range that the tree species prefer.

“We have shown for the first time that southern Greenland … was once very different to the Greenland we see today,” said study leader Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen.

Less glacial cover in ancient Greenland means the global ocean was probably between three and six feet higher during that time compared to current levels, the scientists say.

“To get this site ice free you would’ve had to remove the ice cover from about the southern third of Greenland,” study team member Martin Sharp, a glaciologist at the University of Alberta, Canada, told LiveScience.

The findings, detailed in the July 6 issue of the journal Science, demonstrate how far the young field of ancient DNA research has come: scientists can now recreate an environment’s climate and ecology using only recovered DNA, without the need for fossils that might be absent or hard to reach.

“To go from dirty water to a forest full of insects is pretty amazing,” study team member Matthew Collins, a biomolecular archaeologist at the University of York, said in a related Science news article.

Greenland’s thick ice sheets served as a perfect, natural freezer for preserving the prehistoric DNA. Older genetic samples have been found, but none in such pristine condition as the new Greenland samples.

The team says their technique could be applied to DNA found in other icy parts of the globe, such as Antarctica. “Given that 10 percent of the Earth’s terrestrial surface is covered by thick ice sheets, it could open up a world of new discoveries,” said study team member Enrico Cappellini of the University of York in the United Kingdom.

Plants still survive in Greenland today, although mostly along the island’s coast, since the interior is blanketed in ice. “There’s tundra vegetation,” Sharp said. “There’s also dwarf birch probably, and willows almost are certain. But not pine or spruce, which we have in the DNA here.”

I never denied Greenland was green, BTW.

No mention in there of continent spanning glacier in NA during any green period in Greenland.

Thanks for trying to help LaDerpster, he can use all the help he can get.
you're correct, in that link there was no mention of north america. I agree. It was the post with the link for North America in #220. Again, timelines intersect between 450,000 and 800,000. so if the link in #220 says north america was ice up to 16,000 years ago out 1 million years, and greenland was green less than that time frame at 450,000 to 800,000, they intersect right there. 16,000 years ago is years away from 450,000 year ago in my math.
 
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Post #215, link provided.

Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

#215 was Crick.
hmm interesting. another was #220

Around 16,000 years ago glaciers covered Indiana. For hundreds of years, the glaciers moved about a foot a day. While moving outward and then retreating back, the glaciers carved the land. As the ice melted, the glaciers created and left behind dunes, hills, rivers and lakes.

No help there......
no help with what exactly.
 
The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!


The "glacier manufacturing zone" is approximately 600 miles from an Earth pole. This is where the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt, and hence ice ages being. When an ice age moves outside of the GMZ, it ceases to be an "ice age" and no longer reliably manufactures its annual ice core.

What is truly hilarious about your argument here is that, if the 2 mile high glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes had already started to shrink, then they were taller than 2 miles before the shrinkage started, making them EVEN OLDER...

LOL!!!
 
no help with what exactly.


Todd knows those 2 mile high glaciers were way older than 2 million years old, and hence he lost the argument, and the statement

Greenland froze while NA thawed

is irrefutable.

But argue on he will, like Johnny Cochran defending OJ, hoping Crick and Mammooo are on the jury....
 
Glaciers don't shrink?

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...


You can post your ice core data from the NA glacier if that proves your claim.

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

To fail to prove how old it was.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose, unless Mammooo and Crick were on the jury...

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

Not as stupid as mentioning Ice Cores as some sort of proof concerning the NA ice sheet.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose


If you posted proof of the million plus year age of the NA glacier, what post #?
The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south?

Are you denying the continent moved?
 
While moving outward and then retreating back,


This is simply not the case. All of the marks on the bedrock show north to south glacier movement. Glaciers start on the part of the continent closest to the pole, and then move from that point away from the pole. Glaciers do not suddenly decide to reverse course, unless you are a Tippy Toppiest with 100% pure morons as supporters...
 
Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Now if only he could post one that backs up his claim, I can stop mocking his idiocy.
timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.



16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented


Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?
Post #215, link provided.

Post #217.....

The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles.

From the genetic material of these organisms, the researchers infer that Greenland’s temperature once varied from 50 degrees Fahrenheit in summer to 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit in winter—the temperature range that the tree species prefer.

“We have shown for the first time that southern Greenland … was once very different to the Greenland we see today,” said study leader Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen.

Less glacial cover in ancient Greenland means the global ocean was probably between three and six feet higher during that time compared to current levels, the scientists say.

“To get this site ice free you would’ve had to remove the ice cover from about the southern third of Greenland,” study team member Martin Sharp, a glaciologist at the University of Alberta, Canada, told LiveScience.

The findings, detailed in the July 6 issue of the journal Science, demonstrate how far the young field of ancient DNA research has come: scientists can now recreate an environment’s climate and ecology using only recovered DNA, without the need for fossils that might be absent or hard to reach.

“To go from dirty water to a forest full of insects is pretty amazing,” study team member Matthew Collins, a biomolecular archaeologist at the University of York, said in a related Science news article.

Greenland’s thick ice sheets served as a perfect, natural freezer for preserving the prehistoric DNA. Older genetic samples have been found, but none in such pristine condition as the new Greenland samples.

The team says their technique could be applied to DNA found in other icy parts of the globe, such as Antarctica. “Given that 10 percent of the Earth’s terrestrial surface is covered by thick ice sheets, it could open up a world of new discoveries,” said study team member Enrico Cappellini of the University of York in the United Kingdom.

Plants still survive in Greenland today, although mostly along the island’s coast, since the interior is blanketed in ice. “There’s tundra vegetation,” Sharp said. “There’s also dwarf birch probably, and willows almost are certain. But not pine or spruce, which we have in the DNA here.”

I never denied Greenland was green, BTW.

No mention in there of continent spanning glacier in NA during any green period in Greenland.

Thanks for trying to help LaDerpster, he can use all the help he can get.
you're correct, in that link there was no mention of north america. I agree. It was the post with the link for North America in #220. Again, timelines intersect between 450,000 and 800,000. so if the link in #220 says north america was ice up to 16,000 years ago out 1 million years, and greenland was green less than that time frame at 450,000 to 800,000, they intersect right there. 16,000 years ago is years away from 450,000 year ago in my math.

Again, timelines intersect between 450,000 and 800,000

Sometime, not during the entire time.

was ice up to 16,000 years ago out 1 million years


Where did you see from 16,000 all the way to 1,000,000, with no interruption?
 
no help with what exactly.


Todd knows those 2 mile high glaciers were way older than 2 million years old, and hence he lost the argument, and the statement

Greenland froze while NA thawed

is irrefutable.

But argue on he will, like Johnny Cochran defending OJ, hoping Crick and Mammooo are on the jury....


Todd knows those 2 mile high glaciers were way older than 2 million years old

I know that you make claims.....with no backup.
 
Glaciers don't shrink?

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...


You can post your ice core data from the NA glacier if that proves your claim.

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

To fail to prove how old it was.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose, unless Mammooo and Crick were on the jury...

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

Not as stupid as mentioning Ice Cores as some sort of proof concerning the NA ice sheet.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose


If you posted proof of the million plus year age of the NA glacier, what post #?
The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south?

Are you denying the continent moved?

How much did it move in the last 20,000 years?
Or the 20,000 before that?
 
While moving outward and then retreating back,


This is simply not the case. All of the marks on the bedrock show north to south glacier movement. Glaciers start on the part of the continent closest to the pole, and then move from that point away from the pole. Glaciers do not suddenly decide to reverse course, unless you are a Tippy Toppiest with 100% pure morons as supporters...

This is simply not the case. All of the marks on the bedrock show north to south glacier movement.


You think retreat means actually moving north?
That is the dumbest think you've said yet. And that's saying a lot!
 
The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!


The "glacier manufacturing zone" is approximately 600 miles from an Earth pole. This is where the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt, and hence ice ages being. When an ice age moves outside of the GMZ, it ceases to be an "ice age" and no longer reliably manufactures its annual ice core.

What is truly hilarious about your argument here is that, if the 2 mile high glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes had already started to shrink, then they were taller than 2 miles before the shrinkage started, making them EVEN OLDER...

LOL!!!
Great Lakes are 10,000 years old.
 
Where did you see from 16,000 all the way to 1,000,000, with no interruption?


Just tell us, Todd, without the endless Cochran-esque legalese.... just how old is a 2 mile high glacier????

Approximately 300,000 years ago, the Illinois Episode of glaciation began. During the 175,000 years of this episode, the ice advanced three times out of the northeastern center of accumulation. During the Illinois Episode, North American continental glaciers reached their southernmost position, located just north of the Shawnee Hills in southern Illinois (see figure 4c ). During the first of these advances, ice of this episode reached westward across Illinois and into Iowa. After the Illinois Episode, during the Sangamon interglacial interval, another major soil, the Sangamon Geosol, developed.

Next came the Wisconsin Episode of glaciation, which created the landscape we see today. The Wisconsin glaciers advanced into Illinois about 25,000 years ago. Although late Wisconsin glaciers advanced across northeastern Illinois, they did not reach southern or western Illinois (see figure 4d). As the glaciers advanced, earth materials from previous times were buried, transported, or otherwise rearranged. As the Wisconsin ice retreated, large ridges of deposited earth materials—called moraines—were formed. The Illinois Episode left few moraines, and all are markedly smaller in size than the later Wisconsin moraines. Illinois moraines are only preserved south of the limits of the younger Wisconsin age glacier.

Illinois State Geological Survey Glaciers Smooth the Surface | ISGS
 
Ask Todd a question, don't expect an answer.... expect some parroting that is blown away by the reality of the truth of the age of a 2 mile high glacier...
 
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