Climate change caused by man is false and we have proven it already.

[Crick]

We still do.

The Nazis only care about POWER, and use the Gaia cult to gain more power.

Do you ever listen to yourself? These sorts of comments are simply irrational. The people concerned about global warming on this planet are not nazis and the number of people who could accurately be said to be members of a Gaia cult could be counted on the fingers of one hand. If you still care about clean air, clean water and reducing pollution, why do you oppose alternative energy technology when the combustion of fossil fuel is the largest contibutor to filthy air and water?

 

[Resnic]

I think its naive to think humans don't effect the climate. Imagine a world without humans in which there are not cities, no roads no infrastructure as built by humans and replace that with wilderness. Think about the square miles of that wilderness that now has the foot print of humans. The asphalt and buildings for nearly 8 billion people alone has got to have some effect on the climate. I used to work with a guy that flew a glider plane as a hobby. He told me how he would glide over a parking lot and the heated air would take him up in altitude.

Read the OP again and see all the examples of EVERYTHING that is happening now has happened before. Even the article showing Antarctica 350 million years ago was not covered in ice and had life on it.

So yes, we can imagine a world with no roads or asphalt, it's called the past where the world didn't have those things for billions of years and yet everything happening now was happening then, and a lot worse.

 

[Crick]

Read the OP again and see all the examples of EVERYTHING that is happening now has happened before. Even the article showing Antarctica 350 million years ago was not covered in ice and had life on it.

So yes, we can imagine a world with no roads or asphalt, it's called the past where the world didn't have those things for billions of years and yet everything happening now was happening then, and a lot worse.

The rate of CO2 and temperature change in the pre-human past was orders of magnitude slower than the current process. The argument from the OP that suggests humans can not be responsible for the current changes because such changes have occurred in the pre-human past utilizes the logical skills of a four year old.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Read the OP again and see all the examples of EVERYTHING that is happening now has happened before. Even the article showing Antarctica 350 million years ago was not covered in ice and had life on it.

So yes, we can imagine a world with no roads or asphalt, it's called the past where the world didn't have those things for billions of years and yet everything happening now was happening then, and a lot worse.

A couple points about this:

1. The ONLY reason you know that the earth's climate has changed over the history of the earth is due to the research by the very same people who are telling you today that anthropogenic global climate change is real.

2. #1 is because these researchers (especially in paleoclimatology) have learned a great deal about the forcing mechanisms that cause climate change and we've seen how "natural forcings alone" have impacted climate...and our current state of natural forcings cannot, by themselves, explain the warming we see.

The only thing that really helps make sense of the warming is if we also include HUMAN FACTORS. Human activity makes up more than 50% of the warming we've seen in the last half-century. That's the only way the data actually matches up to reality.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

I'm suggesting your cult is a bunch of frauds who cook the results in the most unscientific and openly dishonest way possible.

Academic fraud is an easy charge to level at people. Especially if one lacks even basic understanding of the science.

 

[JoeMoma]

Read the OP again and see all the examples of EVERYTHING that is happening now has happened before. Even the article showing Antarctica 350 million years ago was not covered in ice and had life on it.

So yes, we can imagine a world with no roads or asphalt, it's called the past where the world didn't have those things for billions of years and yet everything happening now was happening then, and a lot worse.

I read your post just fine. Yes, there was climate change before humans. But undeniably, humans have change many square miles of the Earth's Surface and that has some effect on the climate.

 

[Crick]

I read your post just fine. Yes, there was climate change before humans. But undeniably, humans have change many square miles of the Earth's Surface and that has some effect on the climate.

And increased the level of atmospheric CO2 by 86%.

 

[JoeMoma]

And increased the level of atmospheric CO2 by 86%.

I'm not really debating that one way or the other. Just pointing out there may be other ways that humans have effected the climate.

 

[Crick]

Certainly. Deforestation. Loss of habitat for key species. Aerosols in the atmopshere. The acidification of the world's oceans. Agricultural monoculture. Human actions have led us into the Sixth Great Extinction. That may not have large effects on the climate but it will certainly have a large effect on the nature and quality of OUR lives.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Academic fraud is an easy charge to level at people. Especially if one lacks even basic understanding of the science.

When fraud is abundant to the point of overwhelming, as it is among the Gaia Cult, it's difficult to write off.

The most insidious aspect of the fraud that is the Gaia Cult is that it's institutional. When I earned my Sc.D. I was free to concentrate on the subject of my study. While my team and I worked with advisers, often to gain access to great minds (such as Dr. Goldratt); There was no room at that stage for forced recitation of myth and religious dogma. No classes, no grades, no Marxist professors.

However, during grad school I was forced to repeat the mantras of your religion often. To bring up the glaring fraud and inconsistencies in the Church of Gaia and the holy glowbull warming was to risk reprisals from Marxist professors, who held grades hostage to religious conformity. I'm Delta Mu Delta, grades mattered to me.

How many convert to your religion under such indoctrination is hard to say. Many other build contempt for your Priests and Shamans.

If we look at this scientifically, what is your religion? What is the foundational aspect of it? The volcano god, one of the oldest cons on the books.

6,000 years ago the mountain not far from the village began to smoke. The villagers were filled with fear as sometimes the ground would shake and there was a strange smell of sulfur in the air. The village shaman stepped forward and declared that he knew what was causing the mountain to smoke and the ground to shake.

"The Volcano God is ANGRY at your sins," he declared. "You have too much and live too easy, you don't suffer." he continued. "you must atone by bringing me the best of your crops and your herds, and of course your virgin daughters so that I can sacrifice them to the volcano god."

The villagers resisted, but the smoke grew worse over months and fissures began to break open, and all were afraid. The Shaman continued to say that he could stop it all, if the villagers gave him their most precious attachments. Finally the villagers relented. The Shaman ate like a king, raped and eventually murdered their daughters, until one night the volcano erupted and killed everyone.

And THIS is anthropogenic global warming.

The volcano was real, but the villagers had no impact on it. There was no Gaia, no volcano god. The Shaman was a fraud POLITICALLY manipulating fear to enrich himself.

For 4.7 billion years, the one constant to the climate of planet Earth is change. Human activity has close to zero impact on it. There is no Gaia, the planet is NOT sentient and is NOT punishing us for being too wealthy - that's just oligarchs who seek to rule others. The AGW priests and shamans are FRAUDS, every last fucking one of them, engaged in politics to enrich themselves.

Science? What the fuck does science have to do with global warming? This is a 100% political scam.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

However, during grad school I was forced to repeat the mantras of your religion often.

You have a science doctorate and that was your experience? That's strange. That isn't usually a thing in the physical sciences.

What field did you get your doctorate in?

To bring up the glaring fraud and inconsistencies in the Church of Gaia and the holy glowbull warming was to risk reprisals from Marxist professors, who held grades hostage to religious conformity. I'm Delta Mu Delta, grades mattered to me.

Ahh, now it is clear...you got your degree in business (?). Maybe if you'd studied actual physical science you would know more about what actually happens in a science department.

The villagers resisted, but the smoke grew worse over months and fissures began to break open, and all were afraid. The Shaman continued to say that he could stop it all, if the villagers gave him their most precious attachments. Finally the villagers relented. The Shaman ate like a king, raped and eventually murdered their daughters, until one night the volcano erupted and killed everyone.

That's an imaginative tale.

For 4.7 billion years, the one constant to the climate of planet Earth is change.

Again, the only reason YOU know about that change is from the research that also helps establish that anthropogenic global warming is real.

The fact that you don't understand the science behind this or the foundations that explain it (because you aren't a scientist) is not going to make your rants any more real.

Science? What the fuck does science have to do with global warming?

You wouldn't be expected to know. You could if you like try to learn some science.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You have a science doctorate and that was your experience? That's strange. That isn't usually a thing in the physical sciences.

What field did you get your doctorate in?

Logistics.

Emphasis on lean systems.

Ahh, now it is clear...you got your degree in business (?). Maybe if you'd studied actual physical science you would know more about what actually happens in a science department.

I have an MBA and an Sc.D.

That's an imaginative tale.



Again, the only reason YOU know about that change is from the research that also helps establish that anthropogenic global warming is real.

You conflate your Shamans with a system of discovery. Astrology and Climatology wrap themselves in the garments of legitimate science, but simply are not.

You follow fools and frauds

The fact that you don't understand the science behind this or the foundations that explain it (because you aren't a scientist) is not going to make your rants any more real.

ROFL

I just explained, in detail the "science" behind your volcano god.

If I didn't make it clear, Pope Algor and Cardenal Kerry should have as they stepped off their carbon spewing Lear Jets for their beach front estates. "The Middle Class must give up their lifestyle or the oceans will rise."

You wouldn't be expected to know. You could if you like try to learn some science.

Ah yes, though I am far better educated than you and am an actual working scientist, you have your talking point on "How to defeat a heretic."

"Call them ignorant" is #1 on the list.
#2 is an appeal to authority "99% of Astrologers BELIEVE."
#3 is to post jargon in hopes of obfuscating the subject

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Logistics.

Emphasis on lean systems.

Very cool. So you aren't a scientist. Understood.

I have an MBA and an Sc.D.

But no actual training as a scientist in chemistry, physics, geology, oceanography...the stuff that relates to this topic,right?

You conflate your Shamans with a system of discovery. Astrology and Climatology wrap themselves in the garments of legitimate science, but simply are not.

Astrology I will agree is not a science.

You follow fools and frauds

No. I actually got my degrees in the physical sciences (geology and chemistry) so I don't "follow", I read and learn.

If I didn't make it clear, Pope Algor and Cardenal Kerry

Do you not know any names of actual scientists in this topic? That's sad. You should learn more about the topic from a technical point of view.

Ah yes, though I am far better educated than you

Not in this area. You know how to ship stuff around and set up facilities. You don't know the physical sciences. That's what my area is.

and am an actual working scientist,

A "logistics" person? You mean like the folks who arrange for shipments of stuff?

I struggle to see how someone can claim to be a scientist who is basically a scheduler/shipper. But you are free to explain how your training provides you insight into climate.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Very cool. So you aren't a scientist. Understood.

In fact I am.

Bummer you have no grasp of what science is, and isn't.

But no actual training as a scientist in chemistry, physics, geology, oceanography...the stuff that relates to this topic,right?

I've taken courses in all of them.

Astrology I will agree is not a science.

As pseudo-science goes, only Climatology is more absurd.

No. I actually got my degrees in the physical sciences (geology and chemistry) so I don't "follow", I read and learn.

I had guessed you for gender fluidity studies..

Do you not know any names of actual scientists in this topic? That's sad. You should learn more about the topic from a technical point of view.

The fallacy parade marches on.

I understand, without fallacy, there would be no connection between the AGW cult and logic at all.

Not in this area. You know how to ship stuff around and set up facilities. You don't know the physical sciences. That's what my area is.

Much more than that. We are the producers, we are the makers of plenty.

A "logistics" person? You mean like the folks who arrange for shipments of stuff?

Add this to the long list of things you have zero knowledge of.

Did you know (obviously not!) that Walmart company in the world to carry fresh milk from over a thousand miles away? Logistics scientists changed your world by creating the systems that produce and move the goods you and every American depends on.

I struggle to see how someone can claim to be a scientist who is basically a scheduler/shipper. But you are free to explain how your training provides you insight into climate.

You struggle with a great deal of things, but your ad hom has failed.

Time to move on to #2.

"99% of those who survive on grants hold the political views those funding the grants promote."

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

In fact I am.

I am honestly struggling to understand how the folks in the shipping department are "scientists". Perhaps you can explain?

Bummer you have no grasp of what science is, and isn't.

I actually have science degrees. I don't work in the shipping department. I don't work in "scheduling". I work in the lab.

I've taken courses in all of them.

And exactly how important is chemistry to logistics?

I had guessed you for gender fluidity studies..

Why is that?

Much more than that. We are the producers, we are the makers of plenty.

Yet I'm willing to bet I have more patents than you do. Talk about "makers". You merely ship around the stuff that people like me actually make.

Did you know (obviously not!) that Walmart company in the world to carry fresh milk from over a thousand miles away? Logistics scientists changed your world by creating the systems that produce and move the goods you and every American depends on.

You do scheduling. Good for you. I am absolutely certain you have a mathematical background to that.

"99% of those who survive on grants hold the political views those funding the grants promote."

Oh looky! Another scientific illiterate who thinks he knows all about how "Grants" work! Bravo! Love it.

Maybe you should stick with shipping things around.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am honestly struggling to understand how the folks in the shipping department are "scientists". Perhaps you can explain?

Still clinging to Ad Hom?

How pathetic.

I actually have science degrees. I don't work in the shipping department. I don't work in "scheduling". I work in the lab.

Sweeping the floors?

I have DOCTORATE in science, pissant.

And exactly how important is chemistry to logistics?


Why is that?



Yet I'm willing to bet I have more patents than you do. Talk about "makers". You merely ship around the stuff that people like me actually make.

You consider the floors you sweep to be "patients?"

You do scheduling. Good for you. I am absolutely certain you have a mathematical background to that.


Oh looky! Another scientific illiterate who thinks he knows all about how "Grants" work! Bravo! Love it.

Maybe you should stick with shipping things around.

He who pays the piper.

Are we done with ad hom now? Will you move on to your next logical fallacy?

 

[Crick]

When fraud is abundant to the point of overwhelming, as it is among the Gaia Cult, it's difficult to write off.

What is the Gaia Cult and what overwhelming fraud have they committed?

The most insidious aspect of the fraud that is the Gaia Cult is that it's institutional. When I earned my Sc.D. I was free to concentrate on the subject of my study. While my team and I worked with advisers, often to gain access to great minds (such as Dr. Goldratt); There was no room at that stage for forced recitation of myth and religious dogma. No classes, no grades, no Marxist professors.

You contend that the Gaia Cult's fraud was systematic yet provide no evidence whatsoever. Where systematic influences and biases exist, they influence work both pre and post grad. The pressure of grades is replaced by the pressure of funding and publication. Your comment about Marxist professsors is almost silly. Of course there are still Marxist as there are capitalists and socialists and advocateds and believers of every variety of economic system.

Dr Eliyahu Goldratt?

However, during grad school I was forced to repeat the mantras of your religion often. To bring up the glaring fraud and inconsistencies in the Church of Gaia and the holy glowbull warming was to risk reprisals from Marxist professors, who held grades hostage to religious conformity. I'm Delta Mu Delta, grades mattered to me.

You CHOSE to do so. If that means you willfully chose to present what you believed to be lies, this is more confession than critique. It can't have hurt that those religious mantras were fully supported by mountains of evidence and accepted by over 99% of the world's climate scientists. I bet hardly anyone knew how anti-scientific you were forced to be. And grow up. No one cares about your honor society and if you think you cared more about grades than others, you're precisely as conceited as much of this dribble makes you appear.

How many convert to your religion under such indoctrination is hard to say. Many other build contempt for your Priests and Shamans.

If there is a religion here, it is that espoused by folks rejecting AGW. It is very easy to accept theories supported by mountains of evidence and tens of thousands of published stuides. Not so easy to accept whatever anti-sceintific nonsense you've chosen to buy. You have to work at it. And then we have to wonder why you think it worth the effort. Contrarianism? Conceit? Scientific ignorance?

If we look at this scientifically, what is your religion? What is the foundational aspect of it? The volcano god, one of the oldest cons on the books.

You call this "looking at this scientifically"?

6,000 years ago the mountain not far from the village began to smoke. The villagers were filled with fear as sometimes the ground would shake and there was a strange smell of sulfur in the air. The village shaman stepped forward and declared that he knew what was causing the mountain to smoke and the ground to shake.

"The Volcano God is ANGRY at your sins," he declared. "You have too much and live too easy, you don't suffer." he continued. "you must atone by bringing me the best of your crops and your herds, and of course your virgin daughters so that I can sacrifice them to the volcano god."

The villagers resisted, but the smoke grew worse over months and fissures began to break open, and all were afraid. The Shaman continued to say that he could stop it all, if the villagers gave him their most precious attachments. Finally the villagers relented. The Shaman ate like a king, raped and eventually murdered their daughters, until one night the volcano erupted and killed everyone.

And THIS is anthropogenic global warming.

No, it most assuredly is not.

The volcano was real, but the villagers had no impact on it. There was no Gaia, no volcano god. The Shaman was a fraud POLITICALLY manipulating fear to enrich himself.

Did the shaman conduct thousands of strict studies whose results were reviewed by experts in the field? Was the shaman actually tens of thousands of degreed scientists from a hundred different countries around the planet doing active research? Your analogy has a few flaws.

For 4.7 billion years, the one constant to the climate of planet Earth is change. Human activity has close to zero impact on it. There is no Gaia, the planet is NOT sentient and is NOT punishing us for being too wealthy - that's just oligarchs who seek to rule others. The AGW priests and shamans are FRAUDS, every last fucking one of them, engaged in politics to enrich themselves.

Science? What the fuck does science have to do with global warming? This is a 100% political scam.

On what SCIENCE do you base your claim that human activity has had close to zero impact on the planet's climate? Why do you waste your time attacking the Gaia hypothesis when not one climate scientist in a thousand gives it a second's thought. The obvious conclusion is that you are attempting to use it as a strawman.

If you believe that the goal of enrichment might lead someone to try to delude the public, have you ever considered the fossil fuel industry? AGW represents an existential threat to them. I should think even a marginally rational examination of the situation would find those folks FAR more likely to indulge in falsehoods than scientists looking for research money. And, of course, the idea that 99% of the world's scientists are involved in a massive, decades-long conspiracy to defraud the public without a single member of this conspiracy ever having decided to spill the beans or evidence having been discovered by independent researchers or journalists is not just a little hard to believe - it is the zenith of self-delusional confirmation bias

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Still clinging to Ad Hom?

No, I'm actually trying to figure out how logistics is science.

Also ad hominem is not simply an insult. It's a rhetorical fallacy, but given that you may not have had a philosophy or logic class getting your degree in shipping you might not see the subtlety.

I have DOCTORATE in science, pissant.

And can you explain how it is in any way related to the physical sciences of which this is technically a part?

You consider the floors you sweep to be "patients?"

Huh?

Are we done with ad hom now? Will you move on to your next logical fallacy?

If you can't explain your own field then I guess I'll have to be curious forever. Too bad. I mean a real "scientist" who works in the shipping department!

I never knew you could get a doctorate in shipping and receiving!

 

[Crick]

No, I'm actually trying to figure out how logistics is science.

Also ad hominem is not simply an insult. It's a rhetorical fallacy, but given that you may not have had a philosophy or logic class getting your degree in shipping you might not see the subtlety.



And can you explain how it is in any way related to the physical sciences of which this is technically a part?





Huh?


If you can't explain your own field then I guess I'll have to be curious forever. Too bad. I mean a real "scientist" who works in the shipping department!

I never knew you could get a doctorate in shipping and receiving!

There is a serious field in business logistics but your point that such studies ill-equip Mr Uncensored to discuss the technical details of AGW is completely valid. Now he may have a sharp mind and a deep interest in climate science, but his constant self-aggrandizement and numerous flawed arguments do little to demonstrate the existence of either.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, I'm actually trying to figure out how logistics is science.

I'll let Amazon know logistics isn't a science.

Also ad hominem is not simply an insult. It's a rhetorical fallacy, but given that you may not have had a philosophy or logic class getting your degree in shipping you might not see the subtlety.



And can you explain how it is in any way related to the physical sciences of which this is technically a part?





Huh?


If you can't explain your own field then I guess I'll have to be curious forever. Too bad. I mean a real "scientist" who works in the shipping department!

I never knew you could get a doctorate in shipping and receiving!

You actually think you should be taken seriously?

You're a cultist.