Clearing up a misconception atheists have about practicing Christians

[BreezeWood]

Well you’re saying because you said so. Or, because your religion says so. You can’t expect to enter your holy book as evidence. if so please also include the book of Mormons. Do you know what god told Joseph Smith about your religion? It wasn’t good.

What did Smith say?

The atheists/ags think we are following a book of pure religion, but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up (the studies of truth has expanded). If it didn't, then Christianity would be just another religion. The atheists/ags would have proven it false or found an actual contradiction hundreds of years ago.

Instead, we found what was there before the big bang, singularity, has been proven to be a lie. We also found the scientific method disproves abiogenesis. Yet, the religion of atheism still exists because the atheists/ags will not accept the evidence presented to them because of ignorance, stupidity, stubbornness, or some mental issues. It is all based on a house of cards called consensus now. It is all the atheists/ags who make up this consensus.

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but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up

.
your 4th century book is predicated on a false myth, the 1st century religious itinerant claimed to be a messiah - where is that backed up by "science, math, logic, and history" or by the itinerant in their own writing and by that fallacy renders your book at best a work of fiction and in reality a mirage disguised as a religion for ulterior motives as proven throughout history. - as nothing more than a foil for the purpose to persecute and victimize anyone unwilling to refer to themselves as incurable sinners. under the yoke of your single publication.

the christian bible is the exact opposite of 1st century liberation theology and the religion of antiquity more than one person have lost their lives over and written by the very people that crucifed an innocent being to use their death for their own devious purposes.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.
your comprehension is lacking -

the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil as prescribed is nothing new and reflects your disingenuous christian ramblings, forged christian bible in absolute contradiction - liberation theology is the 1st century reenactment to free the spirit from its physiological constraints for admission to the Everlasting, sinners need not apply. especially, crucifiers. misery - disiri.

 

[Disir]

Well you’re saying because you said so. Or, because your religion says so. You can’t expect to enter your holy book as evidence. if so please also include the book of Mormons. Do you know what god told Joseph Smith about your religion? It wasn’t good.

What did Smith say?

The atheists/ags think we are following a book of pure religion, but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up (the studies of truth has expanded). If it didn't, then Christianity would be just another religion. The atheists/ags would have proven it false or found an actual contradiction hundreds of years ago.

Instead, we found what was there before the big bang, singularity, has been proven to be a lie. We also found the scientific method disproves abiogenesis. Yet, the religion of atheism still exists because the atheists/ags will not accept the evidence presented to them because of ignorance, stupidity, stubbornness, or some mental issues. It is all based on a house of cards called consensus now. It is all the atheists/ags who make up this consensus.

.

but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up

.
your 4th century book is predicated on a false myth, the 1st century religious itinerant claimed to be a messiah - where is that backed up by "science, math, logic, and history" or by the itinerant in their own writing and by that fallacy renders your book at best a work of fiction and in reality a mirage disguised as a religion for ulterior motives as proven throughout history. - as nothing more than a foil for the purpose to persecute and victimize anyone unwilling to refer to themselves as incurable sinners. under the yoke of your single publication.

the christian bible is the exact opposite of 1st century liberation theology and the religion of antiquity more than one person have lost their lives over and written by the very people that crucifed an innocent being to use their death for their own devious purposes.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.
your comprehension is lacking -

the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil as prescribed is nothing new and reflects your disingenuous christian ramblings, forged christian bible in absolute contradiction - liberation theology is the 1st century reenactment to free the spirit from its physiological constraints for admission to the Everlasting, sinners need not apply. especially, crucifiers. misery - disiri.

So, what you are saying is that you can't do that because it was an oral tradition and you aren't privy to what precisely that was. You are one of the people that has managed to turn this place into a shithole.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well you’re saying because you said so. Or, because your religion says so. You can’t expect to enter your holy book as evidence. if so please also include the book of Mormons. Do you know what god told Joseph Smith about your religion? It wasn’t good.

What did Smith say?

The atheists/ags think we are following a book of pure religion, but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up (the studies of truth has expanded). If it didn't, then Christianity would be just another religion. The atheists/ags would have proven it false or found an actual contradiction hundreds of years ago.

Instead, we found what was there before the big bang, singularity, has been proven to be a lie. We also found the scientific method disproves abiogenesis. Yet, the religion of atheism still exists because the atheists/ags will not accept the evidence presented to them because of ignorance, stupidity, stubbornness, or some mental issues. It is all based on a house of cards called consensus now. It is all the atheists/ags who make up this consensus.

.

but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up

.
your 4th century book is predicated on a false myth, the 1st century religious itinerant claimed to be a messiah - where is that backed up by "science, math, logic, and history" or by the itinerant in their own writing and by that fallacy renders your book at best a work of fiction and in reality a mirage disguised as a religion for ulterior motives as proven throughout history. - as nothing more than a foil for the purpose to persecute and victimize anyone unwilling to refer to themselves as incurable sinners. under the yoke of your single publication.

the christian bible is the exact opposite of 1st century liberation theology and the religion of antiquity more than one person have lost their lives over and written by the very people that crucifed an innocent being to use their death for their own devious purposes.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.
your comprehension is lacking -

the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil as prescribed is nothing new and reflects your disingenuous christian ramblings, forged christian bible in absolute contradiction - liberation theology is the 1st century reenactment to free the spirit from its physiological constraints for admission to the Everlasting, sinners need not apply. especially, crucifiers. misery - disiri.

So, what you are saying is that you can't do that because it was an oral tradition and you aren't privy to what precisely that was. You are one of the people that has managed to turn this place into a shithole.

.

your comprehension is lacking -

So, what you are saying is that you can't do that because it was an oral tradition and you aren't privy to what precisely that was. You are one of the people that has managed to turn this place into a shithole.

.
the spoken religion of antiquity - not your 10000 page book of forgeries and fallacies ... shithole.
.
.
who's that you are pounding on misery - an innocent happy being you need to persecute ...

 

[Blues Man]

Just look at how these Bible thumpers deny global warming, evolution, wearing masks, taking the vaccine.

Keep in mind that many who are "denying global warming" are merely denying that the government can fix it. Meanwhile government is rubbing their hands in delight over another reason to raise taxes and control people. Note how well the government did with the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, etc. The last thing we need is for the government to star their War on Climate. The cynic in me notes the government is merely saying, "Want more of your money."

Wearing masks: Put masks and virus under a microscope. The weave on masks is much larger than that itty-bitty virus. Or do your own experiment and blow smoke through. People who wish to wear mask absolutely should. Government should not force the issue. Taking the vaccine: I saw a statistic stating one in four will not take the vaccine. My family fits that statistic. My husband and two daughters will (one already has). I will not. That is merely because I react badly to even over-the-counter medications. Went through two natural child-births. When I had my appendix out, took me a full month to recover from being knocked out. (Can't drink, either. )

Just saying we shouldn't put everyone in the same box. I have my reasons for opting for no mask, no vaccine. That doesn't mean I think everyone has the same reasons I have. We are not cookie stamps of each other, and it should not bother people when another type of cookie opts for something different than we did.

Notice for how many years you guys denied global warming was real? Now you’re saying you actually knew it was real and your real argument is there’s nothing we can do about it?

I was waiting for the day republicans stopped denying it. Trump denied it. Glad to see you’re giving up your lie for a different argument.

Oh, and isn’t lying wrong?

Very few people deny the climate is changing.

But your side simply hasn't proven man's actions have anything to do with it.

But you take it on faith because you were told to.

Scientific community isn’t lying to you

.

Scientific community isn’t lying to you

But your side simply hasn't proven man's actions have anything to do with it.

.
you have to be kidding ...
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View attachment 456296
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sure, nature is just a disposable commodity for christians ...

Anyone with any familiarity with the scientific method knows how climate "science" has been bastardized to support a predetermined conclusion.

The scientific community laughs in your face

Odd how you don't believe scientists who have faith in God.

Perhaps you just believe scientists who say things that align with your faith.

The scientific community. Consensus.

Most religious scientists admit God can’t be proven.

That's because they understand the nature of faith.

You don't seem to.

Nor do religious scientists seek to prove God's existence.

So you’re saying no atheists understand the nature of faith? I think this is another misconception you have.

So far I’m not seeing any misconceptions we have about theists but I’m seeing lots from you

me: i believe in God because I have faith He's real

atheist: i need to see proof of this god

me: faith precludes proof. if there were proof of God it would deny the free will God hard-wired into us. the decision to believe would be worthless.

atheist: ha ha neener neener checkmaet

Personally I don't think it matters if there is a god or not.

If the supreme being knocked on my door tomorrow I wouldn't change the way I live my life.

I don’t think a god would care if you believe either. That would be his last concern.

They say it wouldn’t mean anything if we knew god was real for sure. So god not being around is a test. Even though he’s watching my every move I can’t see him or tell he’s there.

Why not reveal yourself and leave what it takes to get to heaven as the Mystery?

Or better yet don’t make people who rape murder lie cheat steal and lust.

I don't believe anyone is watching me and I still choose to live a good life. Character is defined by what you do when people aren't watching you.

 

[sealybobo]

Just look at how these Bible thumpers deny global warming, evolution, wearing masks, taking the vaccine.

Keep in mind that many who are "denying global warming" are merely denying that the government can fix it. Meanwhile government is rubbing their hands in delight over another reason to raise taxes and control people. Note how well the government did with the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, etc. The last thing we need is for the government to star their War on Climate. The cynic in me notes the government is merely saying, "Want more of your money."

Wearing masks: Put masks and virus under a microscope. The weave on masks is much larger than that itty-bitty virus. Or do your own experiment and blow smoke through. People who wish to wear mask absolutely should. Government should not force the issue. Taking the vaccine: I saw a statistic stating one in four will not take the vaccine. My family fits that statistic. My husband and two daughters will (one already has). I will not. That is merely because I react badly to even over-the-counter medications. Went through two natural child-births. When I had my appendix out, took me a full month to recover from being knocked out. (Can't drink, either. )

Just saying we shouldn't put everyone in the same box. I have my reasons for opting for no mask, no vaccine. That doesn't mean I think everyone has the same reasons I have. We are not cookie stamps of each other, and it should not bother people when another type of cookie opts for something different than we did.

Notice for how many years you guys denied global warming was real? Now you’re saying you actually knew it was real and your real argument is there’s nothing we can do about it?

I was waiting for the day republicans stopped denying it. Trump denied it. Glad to see you’re giving up your lie for a different argument.

Oh, and isn’t lying wrong?

Very few people deny the climate is changing.

But your side simply hasn't proven man's actions have anything to do with it.

But you take it on faith because you were told to.

Scientific community isn’t lying to you

.

Scientific community isn’t lying to you

But your side simply hasn't proven man's actions have anything to do with it.

.
you have to be kidding ...
.
View attachment 456296
.
sure, nature is just a disposable commodity for christians ...

Anyone with any familiarity with the scientific method knows how climate "science" has been bastardized to support a predetermined conclusion.

The scientific community laughs in your face

Odd how you don't believe scientists who have faith in God.

Perhaps you just believe scientists who say things that align with your faith.

The scientific community. Consensus.

Most religious scientists admit God can’t be proven.

That's because they understand the nature of faith.

You don't seem to.

Nor do religious scientists seek to prove God's existence.

So you’re saying no atheists understand the nature of faith? I think this is another misconception you have.

So far I’m not seeing any misconceptions we have about theists but I’m seeing lots from you

me: i believe in God because I have faith He's real

atheist: i need to see proof of this god

me: faith precludes proof. if there were proof of God it would deny the free will God hard-wired into us. the decision to believe would be worthless.

atheist: ha ha neener neener checkmaet

Personally I don't think it matters if there is a god or not.

If the supreme being knocked on my door tomorrow I wouldn't change the way I live my life.

I don’t think a god would care if you believe either. That would be his last concern.

They say it wouldn’t mean anything if we knew god was real for sure. So god not being around is a test. Even though he’s watching my every move I can’t see him or tell he’s there.

Why not reveal yourself and leave what it takes to get to heaven as the Mystery?

Or better yet don’t make people who rape murder lie cheat steal and lust.

I don't believe anyone is watching me and I still choose to live a good life. Character is defined by what you do when people aren't watching you.

I hav some pretty kinky thoughts and watch porno. Is that a sin? Religious people would say yes.

 

[Blues Man]

Just look at how these Bible thumpers deny global warming, evolution, wearing masks, taking the vaccine.

Keep in mind that many who are "denying global warming" are merely denying that the government can fix it. Meanwhile government is rubbing their hands in delight over another reason to raise taxes and control people. Note how well the government did with the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, etc. The last thing we need is for the government to star their War on Climate. The cynic in me notes the government is merely saying, "Want more of your money."

Wearing masks: Put masks and virus under a microscope. The weave on masks is much larger than that itty-bitty virus. Or do your own experiment and blow smoke through. People who wish to wear mask absolutely should. Government should not force the issue. Taking the vaccine: I saw a statistic stating one in four will not take the vaccine. My family fits that statistic. My husband and two daughters will (one already has). I will not. That is merely because I react badly to even over-the-counter medications. Went through two natural child-births. When I had my appendix out, took me a full month to recover from being knocked out. (Can't drink, either. )

Just saying we shouldn't put everyone in the same box. I have my reasons for opting for no mask, no vaccine. That doesn't mean I think everyone has the same reasons I have. We are not cookie stamps of each other, and it should not bother people when another type of cookie opts for something different than we did.

Notice for how many years you guys denied global warming was real? Now you’re saying you actually knew it was real and your real argument is there’s nothing we can do about it?

I was waiting for the day republicans stopped denying it. Trump denied it. Glad to see you’re giving up your lie for a different argument.

Oh, and isn’t lying wrong?

Very few people deny the climate is changing.

But your side simply hasn't proven man's actions have anything to do with it.

But you take it on faith because you were told to.

Scientific community isn’t lying to you

.

Scientific community isn’t lying to you

But your side simply hasn't proven man's actions have anything to do with it.

.
you have to be kidding ...
.
View attachment 456296
.
sure, nature is just a disposable commodity for christians ...

Anyone with any familiarity with the scientific method knows how climate "science" has been bastardized to support a predetermined conclusion.

The scientific community laughs in your face

Odd how you don't believe scientists who have faith in God.

Perhaps you just believe scientists who say things that align with your faith.

The scientific community. Consensus.

Most religious scientists admit God can’t be proven.

That's because they understand the nature of faith.

You don't seem to.

Nor do religious scientists seek to prove God's existence.

So you’re saying no atheists understand the nature of faith? I think this is another misconception you have.

So far I’m not seeing any misconceptions we have about theists but I’m seeing lots from you

me: i believe in God because I have faith He's real

atheist: i need to see proof of this god

me: faith precludes proof. if there were proof of God it would deny the free will God hard-wired into us. the decision to believe would be worthless.

atheist: ha ha neener neener checkmaet

Personally I don't think it matters if there is a god or not.

If the supreme being knocked on my door tomorrow I wouldn't change the way I live my life.

I don’t think a god would care if you believe either. That would be his last concern.

They say it wouldn’t mean anything if we knew god was real for sure. So god not being around is a test. Even though he’s watching my every move I can’t see him or tell he’s there.

Why not reveal yourself and leave what it takes to get to heaven as the Mystery?

Or better yet don’t make people who rape murder lie cheat steal and lust.

I don't believe anyone is watching me and I still choose to live a good life. Character is defined by what you do when people aren't watching you.

I hav some pretty kinky thoughts and watch porno. Is that a sin? Religious people would say yes.

if it's all consensual it's not a sin

 

[Disir]

Well you’re saying because you said so. Or, because your religion says so. You can’t expect to enter your holy book as evidence. if so please also include the book of Mormons. Do you know what god told Joseph Smith about your religion? It wasn’t good.

What did Smith say?

The atheists/ags think we are following a book of pure religion, but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up (the studies of truth has expanded). If it didn't, then Christianity would be just another religion. The atheists/ags would have proven it false or found an actual contradiction hundreds of years ago.

Instead, we found what was there before the big bang, singularity, has been proven to be a lie. We also found the scientific method disproves abiogenesis. Yet, the religion of atheism still exists because the atheists/ags will not accept the evidence presented to them because of ignorance, stupidity, stubbornness, or some mental issues. It is all based on a house of cards called consensus now. It is all the atheists/ags who make up this consensus.

.

but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up

.
your 4th century book is predicated on a false myth, the 1st century religious itinerant claimed to be a messiah - where is that backed up by "science, math, logic, and history" or by the itinerant in their own writing and by that fallacy renders your book at best a work of fiction and in reality a mirage disguised as a religion for ulterior motives as proven throughout history. - as nothing more than a foil for the purpose to persecute and victimize anyone unwilling to refer to themselves as incurable sinners. under the yoke of your single publication.

the christian bible is the exact opposite of 1st century liberation theology and the religion of antiquity more than one person have lost their lives over and written by the very people that crucifed an innocent being to use their death for their own devious purposes.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.
your comprehension is lacking -

the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil as prescribed is nothing new and reflects your disingenuous christian ramblings, forged christian bible in absolute contradiction - liberation theology is the 1st century reenactment to free the spirit from its physiological constraints for admission to the Everlasting, sinners need not apply. especially, crucifiers. misery - disiri.

So, what you are saying is that you can't do that because it was an oral tradition and you aren't privy to what precisely that was. You are one of the people that has managed to turn this place into a shithole.

.

your comprehension is lacking -

So, what you are saying is that you can't do that because it was an oral tradition and you aren't privy to what precisely that was. You are one of the people that has managed to turn this place into a shithole.

.
the spoken religion of antiquity - not your 10000 page book of forgeries and fallacies ... shithole.
.
.
who's that you are pounding on misery - an innocent happy being you need to persecute ...

You are not innocent. You have done nothing but name call others. You are a liar and from this point on--you simply don't exist.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well you’re saying because you said so. Or, because your religion says so. You can’t expect to enter your holy book as evidence. if so please also include the book of Mormons. Do you know what god told Joseph Smith about your religion? It wasn’t good.

What did Smith say?

The atheists/ags think we are following a book of pure religion, but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up (the studies of truth has expanded). If it didn't, then Christianity would be just another religion. The atheists/ags would have proven it false or found an actual contradiction hundreds of years ago.

Instead, we found what was there before the big bang, singularity, has been proven to be a lie. We also found the scientific method disproves abiogenesis. Yet, the religion of atheism still exists because the atheists/ags will not accept the evidence presented to them because of ignorance, stupidity, stubbornness, or some mental issues. It is all based on a house of cards called consensus now. It is all the atheists/ags who make up this consensus.

.

but I have learned from the back and forth here that science, math, logic, and history back the Bible up

.
your 4th century book is predicated on a false myth, the 1st century religious itinerant claimed to be a messiah - where is that backed up by "science, math, logic, and history" or by the itinerant in their own writing and by that fallacy renders your book at best a work of fiction and in reality a mirage disguised as a religion for ulterior motives as proven throughout history. - as nothing more than a foil for the purpose to persecute and victimize anyone unwilling to refer to themselves as incurable sinners. under the yoke of your single publication.

the christian bible is the exact opposite of 1st century liberation theology and the religion of antiquity more than one person have lost their lives over and written by the very people that crucifed an innocent being to use their death for their own devious purposes.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.

Please show us the liberation theology of antiquity. Thanks,

.
your comprehension is lacking -

the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil as prescribed is nothing new and reflects your disingenuous christian ramblings, forged christian bible in absolute contradiction - liberation theology is the 1st century reenactment to free the spirit from its physiological constraints for admission to the Everlasting, sinners need not apply. especially, crucifiers. misery - disiri.

So, what you are saying is that you can't do that because it was an oral tradition and you aren't privy to what precisely that was. You are one of the people that has managed to turn this place into a shithole.

.

your comprehension is lacking -

So, what you are saying is that you can't do that because it was an oral tradition and you aren't privy to what precisely that was. You are one of the people that has managed to turn this place into a shithole.

.
the spoken religion of antiquity - not your 10000 page book of forgeries and fallacies ... shithole.
.
.
who's that you are pounding on misery - an innocent happy being you need to persecute ...

You are not innocent. You have done nothing but name call others. You are a liar and from this point on--you simply don't exist.

.

You are not innocent. You have done nothing but name call others. You are a liar and from this point on--you simply don't exist.

.
evil, sin exists to be had by chance for many before knowing the difference to then triumph over them permanently for their spirit to free itself for acceptance through judgement into the Everlasting.

the religion abandoned by all three desert religions for selfish, ingratiating motives - no one is born a sinner.

- show me any of my posts containing a vulgarity equivalent to yours - "shithole".
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who's that you are pounding on misery - an innocent happy being you need to persecute ...

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you did not answer the question.
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run away sue's ... buttercup - disir.

 

[ChemEngineer]

It is always wrong to assume that you know what other people THINK

ALWAYS. When you tell a joke and others laugh at your joke, you have NO IDEA what they are thinking.

When a group of people nods in agreement, you have NO IDEA what they are thinking, right rosie?

No two people on earth think the same thing, do they rosie? They ALWAYS think differently.

Did you vote for Biden?

 

[surada]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but many atheists believe that “religious” people foolishly follow a book of rules, for baseless reasons. For example, because they were raised into a particular religion, or out of fear, or because they were duped into it.

In other words, they believe it’s foolish to live your life following "rules from a book" that was written thousands of years ago, by men. Some atheists also say that Christianity or other religions are simply about controlling people.

Here’s what I believe that atheists and agnostics simply don’t get.

I can't speak for all Christians, but for myself and the Christians that I know, we choose to follow Jesus not because we were raised in a Christian home (I wasn’t) or because we were duped into it (nobody tells me what to think, I have always been an independent thinker) or for other shallow, baseless reasons like that.

When it comes to either being our own boss, or living by God's ways…. the reason that born again Christians choose the latter is because we have been on both sides, and we have seen through life experience that living by God's ways is simply BETTER, wiser, and it WORKS, in a practical sense. There are other reasons as well, but this particular reason is what I wanted to focus on for this thread.

So to sum that up…. Between following the world’s ways or following God’s ways, for some of us we have learned through experience (sometimes the hard way) that the latter is absolutely BETTER and it leads to good things as opposed to bad things. It simply WORKS, even though it can be hard at times, in this fallen world.

I hope I explained that clearly. If it didn’t make sense, please let me know and feel free to share your thoughts!

You're wrong. Why do you think you speak for atheists?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but many atheists believe that “religious” people foolishly follow a book of rules, for baseless reasons. For example, because they were raised into a particular religion, or out of fear, or because they were duped into it.

Personally, I think most of them take their moral and ethical clues from their environment and genetics and then retrofit the handbook to justify them. And thank goodness for that. The last thing we need is another Dark Age.

 

[justinacolmena]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but many atheists believe that “religious” people foolishly follow a book of rules, for baseless reasons. For example, because they were raised into a particular religion, or out of fear, or because they were duped into it.

In a sense the atheists are right about that. There is no God in the blind observance of a list of dos and don'ts.

In other words, they believe it’s foolish to live your life following "rules from a book" that was written thousands of years ago, by men. Some atheists also say that Christianity or other religions are simply about controlling people.

It is. True Christians are saved by grace through faith alone, and not by works of the law or by following rote book rules.

When it comes to either being our own boss, or living by God's ways…. the reason that born again Christians choose the latter is because we have been on both sides, and we have seen through life experience that living by God's ways is simply BETTER, wiser, and it WORKS, in a practical sense. There are other reasons as well, but this particular reason is what I wanted to focus on for this thread.

You're pushing that medieval European stereotype of a Jewish business owner with Christian employees, and you're going to work as a Christian laborer to earn salvation in a natural sense from a Jewish businessman. But this isn't going to work because if the Jew can't save his own skin, then the Christian isn't going to obtain salvation from a Jew either.

So to sum that up…. Between following the world’s ways or following God’s ways, for some of us we have learned through experience (sometimes the hard way) that the latter is absolutely BETTER and it leads to good things as opposed to bad things. It simply WORKS, even though it can be hard at times, in this fallen world.

You're talking about "free trade" versus obedience to to a master already established in a particular trade, and you are attempting to limit the life choices of Christians to those of the trade unions and labor unions.

I hope I explained that clearly. If it didn’t make sense, please let me know and feel free to share your thoughts!

You sound atheist yourself, and you are using arguments of Christian works without faith with a goal of gaining earthly advantage.

 

[MizMolly]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but many atheists believe that “religious” people foolishly follow a book of rules, for baseless reasons. For example, because they were raised into a particular religion, or out of fear, or because they were duped into it.

In other words, they believe it’s foolish to live your life following "rules from a book" that was written thousands of years ago, by men. Some atheists also say that Christianity or other religions are simply about controlling people.

Here’s what I believe that atheists and agnostics simply don’t get.

I can't speak for all Christians, but for myself and the Christians that I know, we choose to follow Jesus not because we were raised in a Christian home (I wasn’t) or because we were duped into it (nobody tells me what to think, I have always been an independent thinker) or for other shallow, baseless reasons like that.

When it comes to either being our own boss, or living by God's ways…. the reason that born again Christians choose the latter is because we have been on both sides, and we have seen through life experience that living by God's ways is simply BETTER, wiser, and it WORKS, in a practical sense. There are other reasons as well, but this particular reason is what I wanted to focus on for this thread.

So to sum that up…. Between following the world’s ways or following God’s ways, for some of us we have learned through experience (sometimes the hard way) that the latter is absolutely BETTER and it leads to good things as opposed to bad things. It simply WORKS, even though it can be hard at times, in this fallen world.

I hope I explained that clearly. If it didn’t make sense, please let me know and feel free to share your thoughts!

I am not an Atheist but I do know many. You don't need a book of rules to know how to live right. Being an Atheist doesnt make them criminals or bad people. The ones I know have more goodness in their pinkies than a lot of so-called Christians.

 

[buttercup]

I am not an Atheist but I do know many. You don't need a book of rules to know how to live right. Being an Atheist doesnt make them criminals or bad people. The ones I know have more goodness in their pinkies than a lot of so-called Christians.

Yeah, you completely missed the point, just like the last few people who replied. I never said that being an atheist makes one a criminal or a bad person. That's not even remotely what the topic is.

Please re-read the original post. And if you want to reply to the actual topic, please do.

 

[buttercup]

Personally, I think most of them take their moral and ethical clues from their environment and genetics and then retrofit the handbook to justify them. And thank goodness for that. The last thing we need is another Dark Age.

OK, thanks for your thoughts. But that is not what the topic is, not even close.

I'm kind of chuckling here because of all the threads I've ever posted, for some reason with this one very few people understood what the actual topic is.

Maybe it's my fault for putting the word atheist in the title. It seems to elicit a knee-jerk reaction. lol

 

[justinacolmena]

I am not an Atheist but I do know many. You don't need a book of rules to know how to live right. Being an Atheist doesnt make them criminals or bad people. The ones I know have more goodness in their pinkies than a lot of so-called Christians.

Faith or belief in God is highly personal. If some people don't express faith in God in so many words, but they live decent lives and treat others well, Christians shouldn't really be asking anything more of them.

Most Christians read the Bible, believe in the miracles of Jesus, and find inspiration in that.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Christians are called to love other Christians and non-Christians alike. There's a moral goal.

Non Christians have no goal. There are some/many who will be respectful and good, but there's nothing holding them to it. Over time, such a flimsly structure with no reasoning will fall.

If I had no reason to care for anyone else, I'd probably not care about anyone else. To a true atheist, there's no reason to care about anyone else. The outward cries of compassion would be for sheer virtue signaling and vanity. If there's no higher power or no morality.. and we're all just random beings.. giving to other and randomness would be foolish, which is what the world largely thought until Christianity taught the world charity. Most non-believers probably aren't aware of that, and even if they're taught, it hurts their narrative so they'll maliciously and willingly ignore it, so they can live another day as a keyboard warrior who hates Christians, as they do nothing for their community, pray for noone, and care for noone, while exaulting themselves in some mental masterabation practice.

 

[buttercup]

You're wrong. Why do you think you speak for atheists?

I'm not speaking for atheists, I mentioned what I have heard some atheists say. Have you honestly never heard an atheist say something like, "believers have no evidence, they believe because they're gullible" or "christians are christians because of the country they were born in, if they were born somewhere else they'd belong to a different religion" etc, etc.

I mean, if I had a nickel for every time I heard a comment like that....

So where was I wrong? Are you saying that I have never heard people say those things?

 

[Turtlesoup]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but many atheists believe that “religious” people foolishly follow a book of rules, for baseless reasons. For example, because they were raised into a particular religion, or out of fear, or because they were duped into it.

In other words, they believe it’s foolish to live your life following "rules from a book" that was written thousands of years ago, by men. Some atheists also say that Christianity or other religions are simply about controlling people.

Here’s what I believe that atheists and agnostics simply don’t get.

I can't speak for all Christians, but for myself and the Christians that I know, we choose to follow Jesus not because we were raised in a Christian home (I wasn’t) or because we were duped into it (nobody tells me what to think, I have always been an independent thinker) or for other shallow, baseless reasons like that.

When it comes to either being our own boss, or living by God's ways…. the reason that born again Christians choose the latter is because we have been on both sides, and we have seen through life experience that living by God's ways is simply BETTER, wiser, and it WORKS, in a practical sense. There are other reasons as well, but this particular reason is what I wanted to focus on for this thread.

So to sum that up…. Between following the world’s ways or following God’s ways, for some of us we have learned through experience (sometimes the hard way) that the latter is absolutely BETTER and it leads to good things as opposed to bad things. It simply WORKS, even though it can be hard at times, in this fallen world.

I hope I explained that clearly. If it didn’t make sense, please let me know and feel free to share your thoughts!

You are wrong....atheists realize that religion is basically a social club for group think. Most people need a GROUP to help them form their own views of right and wrong. Christians aren't like the muslims who follow their book to a T. CHRISTIANS religious views are more like fads..they change, ebb and flow, based on whatever the current culture is into. Lonely, insecure, don't know the whys of the world...fall back on a god and supposed human offspring and make them whatever you need to feel all is ok. It's not necessarily wrong---christian beliefs can do a lot of harm but they can also cause a person to do good. Often this depends largely on choice of religious leader.

 

[buttercup]

Christians are called to love other Christians and non-Christians alike. There's a moral goal.

Non Christians have no goal. There are some/many who will be respectful and good, but there's nothing holding them to it. Over time, such a flimsly structure with no reasoning will fall.

If I had no reason to care for anyone else, I'd probably not care about anyone else. To a true atheist, there's no reason to care about anyone else. The outward cries of compassion would be for sheer virtue signaling and vanity. If there's no higher power or no morality.. and we're all just random beings.. giving to other and randomness would be foolish, which is what the world largely thought until Christianity taught the world charity. Most non-believers probably aren't aware of that, and even if they're taught, it hurts their narrative so they'll maliciously and willingly ignore it, so they can live another day as a keyboard warrior who hates Christians, as they do nothing for their community, pray for noone, and care for noone, while exaulting themselves in some mental masterabation practice.

I agree, and you brought up some good points, but once again that's not what the topic is. Again, I am truly amazed that so few people actually addressed the actual topic. I'm actually laughing about this. Ah well.