CIA Concludes Russia Interfered In Election To Help Trump Win

[whutTHEYsay]

Failed to see anything coming from the CIA. Two Obama appointees Homeland Security and Director of National Intelligence surely you jest. The only ones officially making this accusation is politicians and news media.

Sorry, there is CIA stuff there. The Electoral College voters need to know what the CIA has.

. The Electors require to know from the intelligence community whether there are ongoing investigations into ties between Donald Trump, his campaign or associates, and Russian government interference in the election, the scope of those investigations, how far those investigations may have reached, and who was involved in those investigations. We further require a briefing on all investigative findings, as these matters directly impact the core factors in our deliberations of whether Mr. Trump is fit to serve as President of the United States.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_584ee466e4b0e05aded4da1b


If Trump and Pence are unfit to serve Hillary the winner of the popular vote should be President.

 

[Spare_change]

Why are people upset that there might have been a few illegal immigrants involved in the vote...but have no problem when a foreign power does so?

Show a foriegn power that voted?

It doesn't matter if it's true or not...that's not the point...there are people on this forum and elsewhere saying that it would be a good thing if they did it.
Imagine that!

I guess I have not seen anything like that.

Sure there's a few quacks that like to say something intentionally absurd that they don't really believe. But I don't see any strong case that there is a wide group of people that are in favor of foreign powers rigging our voting system.

The only thing we have here today, is Russia possibly hacked into Clinton's email server, and leaked the emails.

That's the best information I have thus far.

Well if anything, that's only proof Clinton is.... as anyone that's followed the Clinton's for decades knows.... a massive security risk.

If anything Russia did us a favor by pointing out what a danger she is to national security, before getting the White House.

Remember, none of this would have happened, if she hadn't been hiding federal government conversations on a private unsecured email server in her private residence, that was completely unprotected. The FBI said, her serve was far less secure than that of Gmail.

I'm sorry, but when you have Federal Government conversations on an Email serve, less secure than what a 10-year-old can setup on Google....... that's no longer a "Russia Influence" problem. That's a politician incompetence problem.

Quite frankly, that's the only lesson that needs learned from this ordeal.

BTW......... I don't even think that it was Russian intention to mess with the election.

This is my personal theory, but I bet I'm right. Russia has a massively long history of spending a time and effort on influence things that directly effect them.

I've tried to figure out what they really hoped to gain from this influence, and the answer is not much. If you think Trump is going get into office, and say "Ok you can have Ukraine now, and we're disbanding NATO" You are crazy.

No one who isn't a partisan mindless hack, could possibly buy that. So what do you think Russia stands to gain from this?

Nothing that I can find.

I bet you the real reason for Russia hacking Clinton's Email server, is far simpler and easier to get.

What is the one key thing Russia has been focused on, for the last three years? Ukraine.

And what has been the consistent claim put out by Russia for 3 years, about the Ukraine government?

They claim we overthrew the Ukraine government.

If anyone would know about any plots to overthrow the Ukraine government, outside the CIA.... it would be the State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton.

If I were a betting man, I would put one paycheck down, that the real singular reason the Russians either hacked, or attempted to hack Clinton's Email, had nothing to do with an election they couldn't care less about.... they wanted proof we plotted to overthrow the Ukraine government. So they could drum up support for the seperatists in Eastern Ukraine, and curtail further US intervention in "their back yard" as it were.

I highly doubt Putin really gave a crap about Clinton or Trump. I wager Clinton could be easily manipulated anyway. Remember 1998? Bill Clinton was convinced we needed to intervene for national security in Iraq.... but was scared off by some protestors at a open meeting. Clinton's are easily manipulated.

Trump may actually more difficult to handle. But if he could prove we overthrew the Ukraine government, world opinion would swing against us. Putin would have a much easier time stomping around Ukraine.

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

That's not true .... FBI said they had proof of at least three intrusions.

 

[jc456]

I guess I have not seen anything like that.

Sure there's a few quacks that like to say something intentionally absurd that they don't really believe. But I don't see any strong case that there is a wide group of people that are in favor of foreign powers rigging our voting system.

The only thing we have here today, is Russia possibly hacked into Clinton's email server, and leaked the emails.

That's the best information I have thus far.

Well if anything, that's only proof Clinton is.... as anyone that's followed the Clinton's for decades knows.... a massive security risk.

If anything Russia did us a favor by pointing out what a danger she is to national security, before getting the White House.

Remember, none of this would have happened, if she hadn't been hiding federal government conversations on a private unsecured email server in her private residence, that was completely unprotected. The FBI said, her serve was far less secure than that of Gmail.

I'm sorry, but when you have Federal Government conversations on an Email serve, less secure than what a 10-year-old can setup on Google....... that's no longer a "Russia Influence" problem. That's a politician incompetence problem.

Quite frankly, that's the only lesson that needs learned from this ordeal.

BTW......... I don't even think that it was Russian intention to mess with the election.

This is my personal theory, but I bet I'm right. Russia has a massively long history of spending a time and effort on influence things that directly effect them.

I've tried to figure out what they really hoped to gain from this influence, and the answer is not much. If you think Trump is going get into office, and say "Ok you can have Ukraine now, and we're disbanding NATO" You are crazy.

No one who isn't a partisan mindless hack, could possibly buy that. So what do you think Russia stands to gain from this?

Nothing that I can find.

I bet you the real reason for Russia hacking Clinton's Email server, is far simpler and easier to get.

What is the one key thing Russia has been focused on, for the last three years? Ukraine.

And what has been the consistent claim put out by Russia for 3 years, about the Ukraine government?

They claim we overthrew the Ukraine government.

If anyone would know about any plots to overthrow the Ukraine government, outside the CIA.... it would be the State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton.

If I were a betting man, I would put one paycheck down, that the real singular reason the Russians either hacked, or attempted to hack Clinton's Email, had nothing to do with an election they couldn't care less about.... they wanted proof we plotted to overthrow the Ukraine government. So they could drum up support for the seperatists in Eastern Ukraine, and curtail further US intervention in "their back yard" as it were.

I highly doubt Putin really gave a crap about Clinton or Trump. I wager Clinton could be easily manipulated anyway. Remember 1998? Bill Clinton was convinced we needed to intervene for national security in Iraq.... but was scared off by some protestors at a open meeting. Clinton's are easily manipulated.

Trump may actually more difficult to handle. But if he could prove we overthrew the Ukraine government, world opinion would swing against us. Putin would have a much easier time stomping around Ukraine.

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

How do you know?

Fair enough...the leaked e-mails came from the DNC, not the Clinton server.
There is no evidence that their server was hacked despite examination by the FBI.

But no one knows who did it, Wikileaks stated that so it's bs and what exactly was the influence?

I haven't accused Russia of anything or speculated on the influence on the election.
Why are you asking me these things?

Mmmm. The thread?

 

[jc456]

Failed to see anything coming from the CIA. Two Obama appointees Homeland Security and Director of National Intelligence surely you jest. The only ones officially making this accusation is politicians and news media.

Sorry, there is CIA stuff there. The Electoral College voters need to know what the CIA has.

. The Electors require to know from the intelligence community whether there are ongoing investigations into ties between Donald Trump, his campaign or associates, and Russian government interference in the election, the scope of those investigations, how far those investigations may have reached, and who was involved in those investigations. We further require a briefing on all investigative findings, as these matters directly impact the core factors in our deliberations of whether Mr. Trump is fit to serve as President of the United States.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_584ee466e4b0e05aded4da1b


If Trump and Pence are unfit to serve Hillary the winner of the popular vote should be President.

Why? There's no evidence of anything those electoral people need to see! Post the evidence.

I see you've been in contact with Podesta huh

Prove votes were hacked you know nothing was online right so that's impossible so there's nothing that needs to be shared with them the electoral college let's put that to bed right now manipulator ploymaker

 

[jc456]

Why are people upset that there might have been a few illegal immigrants involved in the vote...but have no problem when a foreign power does so?

Show a foriegn power that voted?

It doesn't matter if it's true or not...that's not the point...there are people on this forum and elsewhere saying that it would be a good thing if they did it.
Imagine that!

I guess I have not seen anything like that.

Sure there's a few quacks that like to say something intentionally absurd that they don't really believe. But I don't see any strong case that there is a wide group of people that are in favor of foreign powers rigging our voting system.

The only thing we have here today, is Russia possibly hacked into Clinton's email server, and leaked the emails.

That's the best information I have thus far.

Well if anything, that's only proof Clinton is.... as anyone that's followed the Clinton's for decades knows.... a massive security risk.

If anything Russia did us a favor by pointing out what a danger she is to national security, before getting the White House.

Remember, none of this would have happened, if she hadn't been hiding federal government conversations on a private unsecured email server in her private residence, that was completely unprotected. The FBI said, her serve was far less secure than that of Gmail.

I'm sorry, but when you have Federal Government conversations on an Email serve, less secure than what a 10-year-old can setup on Google....... that's no longer a "Russia Influence" problem. That's a politician incompetence problem.

Quite frankly, that's the only lesson that needs learned from this ordeal.

BTW......... I don't even think that it was Russian intention to mess with the election.

This is my personal theory, but I bet I'm right. Russia has a massively long history of spending a time and effort on influence things that directly effect them.

I've tried to figure out what they really hoped to gain from this influence, and the answer is not much. If you think Trump is going get into office, and say "Ok you can have Ukraine now, and we're disbanding NATO" You are crazy.

No one who isn't a partisan mindless hack, could possibly buy that. So what do you think Russia stands to gain from this?

Nothing that I can find.

I bet you the real reason for Russia hacking Clinton's Email server, is far simpler and easier to get.

What is the one key thing Russia has been focused on, for the last three years? Ukraine.

And what has been the consistent claim put out by Russia for 3 years, about the Ukraine government?

They claim we overthrew the Ukraine government.

If anyone would know about any plots to overthrow the Ukraine government, outside the CIA.... it would be the State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton.

If I were a betting man, I would put one paycheck down, that the real singular reason the Russians either hacked, or attempted to hack Clinton's Email, had nothing to do with an election they couldn't care less about.... they wanted proof we plotted to overthrow the Ukraine government. So they could drum up support for the seperatists in Eastern Ukraine, and curtail further US intervention in "their back yard" as it were.

I highly doubt Putin really gave a crap about Clinton or Trump. I wager Clinton could be easily manipulated anyway. Remember 1998? Bill Clinton was convinced we needed to intervene for national security in Iraq.... but was scared off by some protestors at a open meeting. Clinton's are easily manipulated.

Trump may actually more difficult to handle. But if he could prove we overthrew the Ukraine government, world opinion would swing against us. Putin would have a much easier time stomping around Ukraine.

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

That's not true .... FBI said they had proof of at least three intrusions.

The FBI doesn't agree with the CIA so why don't the intelligence people first get their story straight and then let's worry about something

 

[eddiew37]

Training and supplying anti-Marxist guerrillas is not proof the CIA was running around assassinating foreign and domestic leaders as you claimed. Try again.

The US CIA supported - assassinated and/or attempted assassination:

* Pinochet was "in cahoots" with the CIA. 3 thousand executed, 2 thousand still missing.
* The death squads of Irak was a CIA operation. 8 thousand executed ...... so far.
* The Shah of Iran was a CIA puppet. 8 thousand executed.
* The CIA murdered Olaf Palme, the PM of Sweden.
* Osama bin Laden
* Gulbuddin Hekmatyar
* The CIA attempted to assassinate Mohamed Farah Aideed
* The CIA attempted to assassinate Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah
* The CIA assassinated nine commandfers of the Sandinista National Directorate
* Miguel d'Escoto
* Gen. Ahmed Dlimi
* The CIA assassinated Muammar Qaddafi
* Michael Manley
* Mobutu Sese Seko
* Manuel Noriega
* Omar Torrijos
* The CIA attempted many assassination of Fidel Castro.

There is a list of about 20 more CIA assassinations or attempted assassinations.

I need one more

 

[idb]

Why are people upset that there might have been a few illegal immigrants involved in the vote...but have no problem when a foreign power does so?

Show a foriegn power that voted?

It doesn't matter if it's true or not...that's not the point...there are people on this forum and elsewhere saying that it would be a good thing if they did it.
Imagine that!

I guess I have not seen anything like that.

Sure there's a few quacks that like to say something intentionally absurd that they don't really believe. But I don't see any strong case that there is a wide group of people that are in favor of foreign powers rigging our voting system.

The only thing we have here today, is Russia possibly hacked into Clinton's email server, and leaked the emails.

That's the best information I have thus far.

Well if anything, that's only proof Clinton is.... as anyone that's followed the Clinton's for decades knows.... a massive security risk.

If anything Russia did us a favor by pointing out what a danger she is to national security, before getting the White House.

Remember, none of this would have happened, if she hadn't been hiding federal government conversations on a private unsecured email server in her private residence, that was completely unprotected. The FBI said, her serve was far less secure than that of Gmail.

I'm sorry, but when you have Federal Government conversations on an Email serve, less secure than what a 10-year-old can setup on Google....... that's no longer a "Russia Influence" problem. That's a politician incompetence problem.

Quite frankly, that's the only lesson that needs learned from this ordeal.

BTW......... I don't even think that it was Russian intention to mess with the election.

This is my personal theory, but I bet I'm right. Russia has a massively long history of spending a time and effort on influence things that directly effect them.

I've tried to figure out what they really hoped to gain from this influence, and the answer is not much. If you think Trump is going get into office, and say "Ok you can have Ukraine now, and we're disbanding NATO" You are crazy.

No one who isn't a partisan mindless hack, could possibly buy that. So what do you think Russia stands to gain from this?

Nothing that I can find.

I bet you the real reason for Russia hacking Clinton's Email server, is far simpler and easier to get.

What is the one key thing Russia has been focused on, for the last three years? Ukraine.

And what has been the consistent claim put out by Russia for 3 years, about the Ukraine government?

They claim we overthrew the Ukraine government.

If anyone would know about any plots to overthrow the Ukraine government, outside the CIA.... it would be the State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton.

If I were a betting man, I would put one paycheck down, that the real singular reason the Russians either hacked, or attempted to hack Clinton's Email, had nothing to do with an election they couldn't care less about.... they wanted proof we plotted to overthrow the Ukraine government. So they could drum up support for the seperatists in Eastern Ukraine, and curtail further US intervention in "their back yard" as it were.

I highly doubt Putin really gave a crap about Clinton or Trump. I wager Clinton could be easily manipulated anyway. Remember 1998? Bill Clinton was convinced we needed to intervene for national security in Iraq.... but was scared off by some protestors at a open meeting. Clinton's are easily manipulated.

Trump may actually more difficult to handle. But if he could prove we overthrew the Ukraine government, world opinion would swing against us. Putin would have a much easier time stomping around Ukraine.

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

That's not true .... FBI said they had proof of at least three intrusions.

'Attempts'...not successful intrusions.

 

[idb]

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

How do you know?

Fair enough...the leaked e-mails came from the DNC, not the Clinton server.
There is no evidence that their server was hacked despite examination by the FBI.

But no one knows who did it, Wikileaks stated that so it's bs and what exactly was the influence?

I haven't accused Russia of anything or speculated on the influence on the election.
Why are you asking me these things?

Mmmm. The thread?

Good point...if only other people could understand it!

 

[whutTHEYsay]

jc456, post: 16040830

Why? There's no evidence of anything those electoral people need to see! Post the evidence.

How do you know there is no evidence? Are You a US Senator? Have you been briefed by the CIA?

Why don't you want the electors to see what bipartisan US Senators have seen?

 

[jc456]

jc456, post: 16040830

Why? There's no evidence of anything those electoral people need to see! Post the evidence.

How do you know there is no evidence? Are You a US Senator? Have you been briefed by the CIA?

Why don't you want the electors to see what bipartisan US Senators have seen?

Because trump hasn't seen it and the FBI said so!

 

[Spare_change]

Show a foriegn power that voted?

It doesn't matter if it's true or not...that's not the point...there are people on this forum and elsewhere saying that it would be a good thing if they did it.
Imagine that!

I guess I have not seen anything like that.

Sure there's a few quacks that like to say something intentionally absurd that they don't really believe. But I don't see any strong case that there is a wide group of people that are in favor of foreign powers rigging our voting system.

The only thing we have here today, is Russia possibly hacked into Clinton's email server, and leaked the emails.

That's the best information I have thus far.

Well if anything, that's only proof Clinton is.... as anyone that's followed the Clinton's for decades knows.... a massive security risk.

If anything Russia did us a favor by pointing out what a danger she is to national security, before getting the White House.

Remember, none of this would have happened, if she hadn't been hiding federal government conversations on a private unsecured email server in her private residence, that was completely unprotected. The FBI said, her serve was far less secure than that of Gmail.

I'm sorry, but when you have Federal Government conversations on an Email serve, less secure than what a 10-year-old can setup on Google....... that's no longer a "Russia Influence" problem. That's a politician incompetence problem.

Quite frankly, that's the only lesson that needs learned from this ordeal.

BTW......... I don't even think that it was Russian intention to mess with the election.

This is my personal theory, but I bet I'm right. Russia has a massively long history of spending a time and effort on influence things that directly effect them.

I've tried to figure out what they really hoped to gain from this influence, and the answer is not much. If you think Trump is going get into office, and say "Ok you can have Ukraine now, and we're disbanding NATO" You are crazy.

No one who isn't a partisan mindless hack, could possibly buy that. So what do you think Russia stands to gain from this?

Nothing that I can find.

I bet you the real reason for Russia hacking Clinton's Email server, is far simpler and easier to get.

What is the one key thing Russia has been focused on, for the last three years? Ukraine.

And what has been the consistent claim put out by Russia for 3 years, about the Ukraine government?

They claim we overthrew the Ukraine government.

If anyone would know about any plots to overthrow the Ukraine government, outside the CIA.... it would be the State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton.

If I were a betting man, I would put one paycheck down, that the real singular reason the Russians either hacked, or attempted to hack Clinton's Email, had nothing to do with an election they couldn't care less about.... they wanted proof we plotted to overthrow the Ukraine government. So they could drum up support for the seperatists in Eastern Ukraine, and curtail further US intervention in "their back yard" as it were.

I highly doubt Putin really gave a crap about Clinton or Trump. I wager Clinton could be easily manipulated anyway. Remember 1998? Bill Clinton was convinced we needed to intervene for national security in Iraq.... but was scared off by some protestors at a open meeting. Clinton's are easily manipulated.

Trump may actually more difficult to handle. But if he could prove we overthrew the Ukraine government, world opinion would swing against us. Putin would have a much easier time stomping around Ukraine.

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

That's not true .... FBI said they had proof of at least three intrusions.

'Attempts'...not successful intrusions.

Uhhh ... there's no way to know if the 'attempts' were successful, unless the hackers were absolute idiots

 

[jc456]

jc456, post: 16040830

Why? There's no evidence of anything those electoral people need to see! Post the evidence.

How do you know there is no evidence? Are You a US Senator? Have you been briefed by the CIA?

Why don't you want the electors to see what bipartisan US Senators have seen?

Btw the senators haven't seen anything, FBI doesn't have anything to validate what ever is being accused!

No state had online voting so how would one hack nothing?

 

[Lakhota]

CLINTON CAMP POUNCES: BRIEF ELECTORS ON RUSSIA HACKS!​

Electoral College Members Request Intel...

Ex-CIA Heavy: Russia Hacks ‘The Political Equivalent Of 9/11’...

Bipartisan Anger Grows Over Election Interference...

McConnell Backs Probe...

Ryan Gives Bizarre, Noncommittal Response To Meddling...

Trump Trashes CIA’s Findings: ‘I Don’t Believe It’...

Bolton Pushes ‘False Flag’ Conspiracy Theory...

Team Trump Goes On Defense Over Electoral College Lawsuit...

COUNTDOWN: 7 Days Until Electors Officially Cast Votes...

Go Hillary!!!!!

 

[idb]

It doesn't matter if it's true or not...that's not the point...there are people on this forum and elsewhere saying that it would be a good thing if they did it.
Imagine that!

I guess I have not seen anything like that.

Sure there's a few quacks that like to say something intentionally absurd that they don't really believe. But I don't see any strong case that there is a wide group of people that are in favor of foreign powers rigging our voting system.

The only thing we have here today, is Russia possibly hacked into Clinton's email server, and leaked the emails.

That's the best information I have thus far.

Well if anything, that's only proof Clinton is.... as anyone that's followed the Clinton's for decades knows.... a massive security risk.

If anything Russia did us a favor by pointing out what a danger she is to national security, before getting the White House.

Remember, none of this would have happened, if she hadn't been hiding federal government conversations on a private unsecured email server in her private residence, that was completely unprotected. The FBI said, her serve was far less secure than that of Gmail.

I'm sorry, but when you have Federal Government conversations on an Email serve, less secure than what a 10-year-old can setup on Google....... that's no longer a "Russia Influence" problem. That's a politician incompetence problem.

Quite frankly, that's the only lesson that needs learned from this ordeal.

BTW......... I don't even think that it was Russian intention to mess with the election.

This is my personal theory, but I bet I'm right. Russia has a massively long history of spending a time and effort on influence things that directly effect them.

I've tried to figure out what they really hoped to gain from this influence, and the answer is not much. If you think Trump is going get into office, and say "Ok you can have Ukraine now, and we're disbanding NATO" You are crazy.

No one who isn't a partisan mindless hack, could possibly buy that. So what do you think Russia stands to gain from this?

Nothing that I can find.

I bet you the real reason for Russia hacking Clinton's Email server, is far simpler and easier to get.

What is the one key thing Russia has been focused on, for the last three years? Ukraine.

And what has been the consistent claim put out by Russia for 3 years, about the Ukraine government?

They claim we overthrew the Ukraine government.

If anyone would know about any plots to overthrow the Ukraine government, outside the CIA.... it would be the State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton.

If I were a betting man, I would put one paycheck down, that the real singular reason the Russians either hacked, or attempted to hack Clinton's Email, had nothing to do with an election they couldn't care less about.... they wanted proof we plotted to overthrow the Ukraine government. So they could drum up support for the seperatists in Eastern Ukraine, and curtail further US intervention in "their back yard" as it were.

I highly doubt Putin really gave a crap about Clinton or Trump. I wager Clinton could be easily manipulated anyway. Remember 1998? Bill Clinton was convinced we needed to intervene for national security in Iraq.... but was scared off by some protestors at a open meeting. Clinton's are easily manipulated.

Trump may actually more difficult to handle. But if he could prove we overthrew the Ukraine government, world opinion would swing against us. Putin would have a much easier time stomping around Ukraine.

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

That's not true .... FBI said they had proof of at least three intrusions.

'Attempts'...not successful intrusions.

Uhhh ... there's no way to know if the 'attempts' were successful, unless the hackers were absolute idiots

You said that the FBI had proof of at least three intrusions...now you say that there's no way of knowing...

 

[whutTHEYsay]

jc456, post: 16041009

Btw the senators haven't seen anything, ....

Mitch McConnell has seen something. Why would he agree to investigate nothing.



" Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Monday it “defies belief” that Republican politicians would hesitate to review Russia’s intrusion. Former acting CIA director Mike Morrell called the Russian interference “the political equivalent of 9/11.”

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_584ee466e4b0e05aded4da1b

Kinda stupid don't you think to post for the record that you know somehow that "the Senators haven't seen anything"?

 

[Divine Wind]

More likely the hacker or hackers are Bernie Sander's supporters than the Russians.

That would be ironic!

A report I saw stated the level of sophistication of the hacking would require a state actor, not some college kid. It's more than guessing a person's password is "PASSWORD" or "123456".

Again, I suspect we'll know sometime next year.

 

[regent]

We should drop the politics and make sure the nation is secure. If Russia can manipulate our election what next? Still.Trump did say early on that the election was rigged. It isn't worth a Trump or a Hillary to lose our Constitution and government.

 

[Divine Wind]

Clinton's email server wasn't hacked though.

Correct. It was an insider whistle-blower who leaked to Wikileaks. Neither hacking nor Russia had nothing to do with it.

$1000 bet you are wrong. Payable in American dollars, not Rubles, tovarich.

 

[Divine Wind]

We should drop the politics and make sure the nation is secure. If Russia can manipulate our election what next? Still.Trump did say early on that the election was rigged. It isn't worth a Trump or a Hillary to lose our Constitution and government.

Agreed about national security taking precedence over party politics.

OTOH, I doubt the Russians "manipulated" our election. It's more like gift-giving, "It's the thought that counts". The fact they hacked into both the DNC and RNC computer systems then only released the DNC material in an attempt to sway the election is enough to be concerned about it. No foreign nation, regardless of how much or how little effect they actually have, should be allowed to **** with us.

 

[Divine Wind]

So the two agencies don't agree here! You understand that right?

Yes, of course. You understand that they have different missions, right? You understand that prior to DHS being established 25NOV02, the FBI and CIA didn't coordinate very well, right? You understand that even after DHS was established it took a few years to get everything working, right?