CIA Concludes Russia Interfered In Election To Help Trump Win

[jc456]

So the two agencies don't agree here! You understand that right?

Yes, of course. You understand that they have different missions, right? You understand that prior to DHS being established 25NOV02, the FBI and CIA didn't coordinate very well, right? You understand that even after DHS was established it took a few years to get everything working, right?

No, they don't, the FBI investigates the CIA find, and they didn't find what was suggested. There is no evidence of Russia hacking. None. AND, no states have online voting! So the vote was legitimate!

 

[Divine Wind]

No. When there is that much at stake (we bombed cities, for the love of God), you ******* damn well better be sure the shit you present is verified, and if everyone else is screaming that the source of the info is unreliable, you don't bring it to the CiC. Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle lied and are war criminals. In fact, in the Senate hearing convened to look into all this awkwardness, Committee Chairman Senator Levy of Michigan came to the conclusion that while, yes, the Three Menschketeers had lied (i.e., LIED!!!) about the WMD, it didn't actually rise to the level of a ******* crime. (I believe legally there has to be more than 10,000 dead American soldiers for it to qualify as an actual crime, not the mere 4,486 there actually were). Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle are now living rich, happy, and free probably right here in the DC area and they didn't even have to pay back the six trillion dollars their lies cost us.

Obviously you either didn't read my previous posts or your highly emotional, partisan blinded eyes didn't allow you to comprehend them. I'd type slower for you, but doubt it would do any good.

While I'm certain calm, intelligent people already understand this point, let me make it again: Intelligence agencies gather data, verify it the best they can then present it up the chain of command. It would be irresponsible of them learn there is a 51% chance of a nuclear attack on an east coast city but withhold that information until they were 100% certain it was correct. Intelligent people know that by that time, there would be a big flash in the eastern USA.

 

[Divine Wind]

what was suggested. There is no evidence of Russia hacking. None. AND, no states have online voting! So the vote was legitimate!

When did I say the vote wasn't legitimate? Please unbunch your knickers and try to be more concerned about national security than your own party politics.

 

[jc456]

No. When there is that much at stake (we bombed cities, for the love of God), you ******* damn well better be sure the shit you present is verified, and if everyone else is screaming that the source of the info is unreliable, you don't bring it to the CiC. Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle lied and are war criminals. In fact, in the Senate hearing convened to look into all this awkwardness, Committee Chairman Senator Levy of Michigan came to the conclusion that while, yes, the Three Menschketeers had lied (i.e., LIED!!!) about the WMD, it didn't actually rise to the level of a ******* crime. (I believe legally there has to be more than 10,000 dead American soldiers for it to qualify as an actual crime, not the mere 4,486 there actually were). Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle are now living rich, happy, and free probably right here in the DC area and they didn't even have to pay back the six trillion dollars their lies cost us.

Obviously you either didn't read my previous posts or your highly emotional, partisan blinded eyes didn't allow you to comprehend them. I'd type slower for you, but doubt it would do any good.

While I'm certain calm, intelligent people already understand this point, let me make it again: Intelligence agencies gather data, verify it the best they can then present it up the chain of command. It would be irresponsible of them learn there is a 51% chance of a nuclear attack on an east coast city but withhold that information until they were 100% certain it was correct. Intelligent people know that by that time, there would be a big flash in the eastern USA.

But the FBI said the servers weren't hacked. So, how did the CIA have anything?

 

[Dot Com]

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Go Hillary!!!!!

crony DNC- spazzing and its only 6:30 lol

 

[jc456]

what was suggested. There is no evidence of Russia hacking. None. AND, no states have online voting! So the vote was legitimate!

When did I say the vote wasn't legitimate? Please unbunch your knickers and try to be more concerned about national security than your own party politics.

What else is the point?

 

[Tehon]

The intelligence community in this country is clearly lacking, laughable even. Let's investigate that.

 

[cnelsen]

No. When there is that much at stake (we bombed cities, for the love of God), you ******* damn well better be sure the shit you present is verified, and if everyone else is screaming that the source of the info is unreliable, you don't bring it to the CiC. Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle lied and are war criminals. In fact, in the Senate hearing convened to look into all this awkwardness, Committee Chairman Senator Levy of Michigan came to the conclusion that while, yes, the Three Menschketeers had lied (i.e., LIED!!!) about the WMD, it didn't actually rise to the level of a ******* crime. (I believe legally there has to be more than 10,000 dead American soldiers for it to qualify as an actual crime, not the mere 4,486 there actually were). Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle are now living rich, happy, and free probably right here in the DC area and they didn't even have to pay back the six trillion dollars their lies cost us.

Obviously you either didn't read my previous posts or your highly emotional, partisan blinded eyes didn't allow you to comprehend them. I'd type slower for you, but doubt it would do any good.

While I'm certain calm, intelligent people already understand this point, let me make it again: Intelligence agencies gather data, verify it the best they can then present it up the chain of command. It would be irresponsible of them learn there is a 51% chance of a nuclear attack on an east coast city but withhold that information until they were 100% certain it was correct. Intelligent people know that by that time, there would be a big flash in the eastern USA.

You are being disingenuous. The CIA source of the WMD lie wasn't some crew of patriotic spooks wrestling with the probabilities and weighing the consequences. The WMD was deception, plain and simple. The Three Menschketeers should be Julius and Ethel Rosenberged for high treason. And now that same CIA is barking about Russia in our elections? As a spokesperson for the American people, I say, Go lie down, dog.

 

[Divine Wind]

Somebody call 911.... G's having a meltdown.

Russophiles hate it when Putin or Russia is besmirched. Glasnost seems exceptionally sensitive to remarks against Russia, but he loves to shit on America.

 

[Divine Wind]

Somewhere in there was a statement that was true ... I just couldn't find it.

LOL. Agreed. The problem is that the more emotional posters are all about partisanship and not very much about patriotism. They are putting party before country. Emotion before logic. The Left Wing assholes are saying Trump only won because of the ******* Russians and the Right Wing assholes are saying the Russians are our friends. Obviously the truth is closer to the middle: The Russians aren't our friends and their hacking of both the DNC and RNC was more of an attempt to influence our election process than actually moving the needle in Trump's direction.

As most intelligent people know, the vast majority of Americans already had their minds made up several months prior to the election. The Wikileaks shit just confirmed what most people already knew.

 

[idb]

what was suggested. There is no evidence of Russia hacking. None. AND, no states have online voting! So the vote was legitimate!

When did I say the vote wasn't legitimate? Please unbunch your knickers and try to be more concerned about national security than your own party politics.

What else is the point?

The point is whether a foreign government has been cyber-spying - or facilitating cyber-spying on the US government.
Doesn't that concern you at all?

 

[Divine Wind]

You are being disingenuous. The CIA source of the WMD lie wasn't some crew of patriotic spooks wrestling with the probabilities and weighing the consequences. The WMD was deception, plain and simple. The Three Menschketeers should be Julius and Ethel Rosenberged for high treason. And now that same CIA is barking about Russia in our elections? As a spokesperson for the American people, I say, Go lie down, dog.

You are free to believe your conspiracy theories, that the CIA is the most evil organization on Earth and that GW and Cheney were complete dumb asses, but I disagree.

 

[bornright]

Assange says it was not Russia

OK, then will you ask Mr. Assange why not one email of Trump's was released? (maybe that's what he's telling us?)

Thanks!

You know, come to think of it, if there were more intelligent forces at work, they surely would've released a number of more benign emails of Trump's just to make it look like the dump was fair. But since it was so utterly lop-sided and such an obvious smear....it screams "juvenile"..foolish...not even sophomoric...more like freshmen in Jr. High. In other words, it smells like Trump all-around.

Trump obviously uses a more secure system than Hillary.

 

[Divine Wind]

But the FBI said the servers weren't hacked. So, how did the CIA have anything?

Incorrect, but feel free to post a link supporting your argument.

Q&A: Why the CIA, FBI differ on Russian election hacking
Q: On what points of the new Russian assessment do the CIA and other intelligence authorities differ with the FBI?

A: The FBI does not dispute that the CIA's assessment could be accurate, said a U.S. official with knowledge of the matter. The difference lies in the institutional standards the agencies require in reaching such conclusions. While the CIA develops assessments based on a broad interpretation of available data, the FBI, as a law enforcement agency, requires a standard of proof that could sustain a possible criminal prosecution.

There have been differences, the official said, in how much weight to ascribe a range of possible motives: Were the Russians specifically seeking to tilt the election in favor of Trump? Was the effort designed to damage Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's future ability to govern, believing that she was destined to win? Or was the operation a hedging of bets to sow confusion and undermine confidence in the process?

Of the assessment that the Republican Party systems were likely breached, the official said the picture is not entirely clear. While not dismissing the intelligence community's conclusion, the official said a more definitive determination has not yet been reached.

 

[Divine Wind]

What else is the point?

Psyops. Seeing if they could do it. ******* with the USA. If you could **** with an opponent, would you? Businesses do it to each other all the time. Same for countries. The US already has sanctions on Russia over Ukraine. The motive for this could easily be revenge for a perception that the US is ******* with Russia. Tit-for-tat.

U.S. imposes sanctions on 'Putin's bridge' to Crimea
Companies building a multi-billion dollar bridge to link the Russian mainland with annexed Crimea, a project close to the heart President Vladimir Putin, were targeted by the United States in an updated sanctions blacklist on Thursday.

The U.S. Department of the Treasury added dozens of people and companies to the list, first introduced after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 and expanded over its support for separatist rebels in the east of the country.

As well as multiple subsidiaries of Russian gas giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) and 11 Crimean officials, the Treasury named seven companies directly involved in the construction of the 19 km (11.8 miles) road-and-rail connection across the Kerch Strait, dubbed "Putin's bridge" by some Russians.

Chief among those were SGM-Most, a subsidiary of lead contractor Stroygazmontazh which is already under U.S. sanctions, and sub-contractor Mostotrest (MSTT.MM), one of Russia's biggest bridge builders.

"Treasury stands with our partners in condemning Russia's violation of international law, and we will continue to sanction those who threaten Ukraine's peace, security and sovereignty," said John Smith, acting director of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control, which levies sanctions.

The Russian Foreign Ministry was not immediately available for comment, but Moscow has previously said sanctions levied over its actions in Ukraine undermine efforts to resolve the conflict.

Set to be the longest dual-purpose span in Europe when completed, the Kremlin sees its 212-billion rouble ($3.2 billion) bridge as vital to integrating Crimea into Russia, both symbolically and as an economic lifeline for the region. Putin has called the undertaking an historic mission.

But the project has had to contend with Western sanctions since the construction contract was handed to Stroygazmontazh last year, a firm controlled by Arkady Rotenberg, a close ally of Putin's and his former judo partner.

Rotenberg is already under U.S. sanctions because of his links to the Russian leader, which the Treasury says have helped him win billions of dollars in state contracts. He cannot raise capital in the West or hire Western sub-contractors to help his firm complete the project.

Officials linked to the bridge's construction say they have all the skills, equipment and supplies required to build it without Western help.

"The sanctions will not affect the construction of the bridge," Crimea Bridge infocentre, the organization responsible for communications about the project, said in a statement on Thursday. "The contractor has all the resources necessary for the timely completion of the project."

Rotenberg and his brother Boris have denied getting help from the Russian leader for their businesses.

 

[jc456]

Somewhere in there was a statement that was true ... I just couldn't find it.

LOL. Agreed. The problem is that the more emotional posters are all about partisanship and not very much about patriotism. They are putting party before country. Emotion before logic. The Left Wing assholes are saying Trump only won because of the ******* Russians and the Right Wing assholes are saying the Russians are our friends. Obviously the truth is closer to the middle: The Russians aren't our friends and their hacking of both the DNC and RNC was more of an attempt to influence our election process than actually moving the needle in Trump's direction.

As most intelligent people know, the vast majority of Americans already had their minds made up several months prior to the election. The Wikileaks shit just confirmed what most people already knew.

No, you don't get off that easy. Prove the issue. What influenced the election? Oh yeah, Hitlery was a criminal under investigation and a murderer. Now find someone who voted for trump becay of wikileaks and then start an investigation. This was all out in October and nothing from you. Be at least consistent instead of an asshole

 

[jc456]

What else is the point?

Psyops. Seeing if they could do it. ******* with the USA. If you could **** with an opponent, would you? Businesses do it to each other all the time. Same for countries. The US already has sanctions on Russia over Ukraine. The motive for this could easily be revenge for a perception that the US is ******* with Russia. Tit-for-tat.

U.S. imposes sanctions on 'Putin's bridge' to Crimea
Companies building a multi-billion dollar bridge to link the Russian mainland with annexed Crimea, a project close to the heart President Vladimir Putin, were targeted by the United States in an updated sanctions blacklist on Thursday.

The U.S. Department of the Treasury added dozens of people and companies to the list, first introduced after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 and expanded over its support for separatist rebels in the east of the country.

As well as multiple subsidiaries of Russian gas giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) and 11 Crimean officials, the Treasury named seven companies directly involved in the construction of the 19 km (11.8 miles) road-and-rail connection across the Kerch Strait, dubbed "Putin's bridge" by some Russians.

Chief among those were SGM-Most, a subsidiary of lead contractor Stroygazmontazh which is already under U.S. sanctions, and sub-contractor Mostotrest (MSTT.MM), one of Russia's biggest bridge builders.

"Treasury stands with our partners in condemning Russia's violation of international law, and we will continue to sanction those who threaten Ukraine's peace, security and sovereignty," said John Smith, acting director of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control, which levies sanctions.

The Russian Foreign Ministry was not immediately available for comment, but Moscow has previously said sanctions levied over its actions in Ukraine undermine efforts to resolve the conflict.

Set to be the longest dual-purpose span in Europe when completed, the Kremlin sees its 212-billion rouble ($3.2 billion) bridge as vital to integrating Crimea into Russia, both symbolically and as an economic lifeline for the region. Putin has called the undertaking an historic mission.

But the project has had to contend with Western sanctions since the construction contract was handed to Stroygazmontazh last year, a firm controlled by Arkady Rotenberg, a close ally of Putin's and his former judo partner.

Rotenberg is already under U.S. sanctions because of his links to the Russian leader, which the Treasury says have helped him win billions of dollars in state contracts. He cannot raise capital in the West or hire Western sub-contractors to help his firm complete the project.

Officials linked to the bridge's construction say they have all the skills, equipment and supplies required to build it without Western help.

"The sanctions will not affect the construction of the bridge," Crimea Bridge infocentre, the organization responsible for communications about the project, said in a statement on Thursday. "The contractor has all the resources necessary for the timely completion of the project."

Rotenberg and his brother Boris have denied getting help from the Russian leader for their businesses.

And?

 

[rightwinger]

Comrade Trump is our first Russian President

 

[Spare_change]

Comrade Trump is our first Russian President

Save the watch! Save the watch!

 

[owebo]

what was suggested. There is no evidence of Russia hacking. None. AND, no states have online voting! So the vote was legitimate!

When did I say the vote wasn't legitimate? Please unbunch your knickers and try to be more concerned about national security than your own party politics.

What else is the point?

The point is whether a foreign government has been cyber-spying - or facilitating cyber-spying on the US government.
Doesn't that concern you at all?

Wait, i though you liberal fucktards said Russia hacked the election.....