Church shooter stopped by armed citizen today? Lives saved by good guy with a gun?

[Jitss617]

Why is this a discussion everyone should have a gun and some Texas tea! This is America we have guns

You don’t.

Hmmmm hahah

Laugh it up, *****. You know you don’t. Or would you like to admit to one of your many lies now? It’s that or admitting to a felony. Take your pick, *****.

I’m always packin

 

[Jitss617]

Many of these rampage shootings end with the NRA endorsed gun owner killing himself. Someone being on the scene who is armed is irrelevant

Say Candycornhole, do you support women being armed with guns to fight off rapists? Or should women have to just live with the fact that they have to just let men rape them when they want?

That’s what jitler does.

Are you calling me a rapist?

I’m calling you a willing victim, *****.

Ok coward lol

 

[JOSweetHeart]

In a way I am surprised at how much illegal activity is now taking place during church services when there is no telling how many are filmed and put on line for those who can't go to church at all. At least two churches in my area do this for those who can not attend the services.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Unkotare]

Why is this a discussion everyone should have a gun and some Texas tea! This is America we have guns

You don’t.

Hmmmm hahah

Laugh it up, *****. You know you don’t. Or would you like to admit to one of your many lies now? It’s that or admitting to a felony. Take your pick, *****.

I’m always packin

More lies, bullshitter. The only packin’ you do is in P-town.

 

[Unkotare]

Many of these rampage shootings end with the NRA endorsed gun owner killing himself. Someone being on the scene who is armed is irrelevant

Say Candycornhole, do you support women being armed with guns to fight off rapists? Or should women have to just live with the fact that they have to just let men rape them when they want?

That’s what jitler does.

Are you calling me a rapist?

I’m calling you a willing victim, *****.

Ok coward lol

Put your skirt down, *****.

 

[Jitss617]

Why is this a discussion everyone should have a gun and some Texas tea! This is America we have guns

You don’t.

Hmmmm hahah

Laugh it up, *****. You know you don’t. Or would you like to admit to one of your many lies now? It’s that or admitting to a felony. Take your pick, *****.

I’m always packin

More lies, bullshitter. The only packin’ you do is in P-town.

Ahh is that there you live,, do you think public schools would like you making fun of homosexuality? Hmmm

 

[Jitss617]

Say Candycornhole, do you support women being armed with guns to fight off rapists? Or should women have to just live with the fact that they have to just let men rape them when they want?

That’s what jitler does.

Are you calling me a rapist?

I’m calling you a willing victim, *****.

Ok coward lol

Put your skirt down, *****.

Projecting again?

 

[Unkotare]

You don’t.

Hmmmm hahah

Laugh it up, *****. You know you don’t. Or would you like to admit to one of your many lies now? It’s that or admitting to a felony. Take your pick, *****.

I’m always packin

More lies, bullshitter. The only packin’ you do is in P-town.

Ahh is that there you live,, do you think public schools would like you making fun of homosexuality? Hmmm

I’m only talking about you personally, *****.

 

[Unkotare]

That’s what jitler does.

Are you calling me a rapist?

I’m calling you a willing victim, *****.

Ok coward lol

Put your skirt down, *****.

Projecting again?

No, *****.

 

[idb]

Who needs to carry a gun to church? People who know that evil people target good people for murder....

It is being reported that this shooter may have been stopped by armed citizens with their legal guns....saving lives, stopping the killing...

The shooter may have had a rifle, and was stopped by a good guy with a pistol...

BREAKING: Church Shooting Reported In Texas, Armed Churchgoers Appear To Have Stopped It, Reporter Suggests

“It appears that a gunman shot two church members at back of auditorium with a footlong weapon, then a member shot the gunman with a pistol,” Ross wrote. “This is just based on me watching the video again. Screaming afterward in the church. So tragic. Two quick shots at back, then another shot. Then at least three members (I believe) with pistols [walking] toward where the gunman appeared to fall.”

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

BREAKING: Man Opens Fire At Oklahoma Walmart, Confronted By Armed Citizen, Report Says

Two people were killed at a Walmart in Oklahoma by a man who opened fire in the parking lot on Monday before turning the weapon on himself after an armed citizen confronted him.
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The assailant, who has not yet been identified, shot and killed a man and a woman in the parking lot and when he was “confronted by an armed citizen, he then turned the gun on himself,” The Daily Mail reported.

It's fortunate that some people are aware that you should arm yourself before going to Sunday church in 2019 America.

 

[Jitss617]

Hmmmm hahah

Laugh it up, *****. You know you don’t. Or would you like to admit to one of your many lies now? It’s that or admitting to a felony. Take your pick, *****.

I’m always packin

More lies, bullshitter. The only packin’ you do is in P-town.

Ahh is that there you live,, do you think public schools would like you making fun of homosexuality? Hmmm

I’m only talking about you personally, *****.

Are you looking for a fudge packer? Homo lol

 

[Jitss617]

Are you calling me a rapist?

I’m calling you a willing victim, *****.

Ok coward lol

Put your skirt down, *****.

Projecting again?

No, *****.

Ok troll, Stick to the topic stop stalking me

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Many of these rampage shootings end with the NRA endorsed gun owner killing himself. Someone being on the scene who is armed is irrelevant

You’re always right, aren’t you?

It’s irrelevant if a citizen with a concealed weapon kills a mass murderer DURING THE SHOOTING SPREE?

The psycho shooters usually kill themselves AFTER THEIR SPREE IS OVER OR LE SHOWS UP.

If the citizen with the firearm stopped the spree early and potentially saved lives, how is that “irrelevant”, fuckstain?

Now always right.

 

[beagle9]

 

[basquebromance]

That’s Texas for ya

Gun friendly states are the best.

 

[bodecea]

What's the deal with these church shootings ending up in Texas most of the time?

 

[basquebromance]

What's the deal with these church shootings ending up in Texas most of the time?

its a big state with lots of churches. where are they supposed to happen, North Dakota?

 

[2aguy]

Meanwhile, here in the civilised world - no churches were shot up and no churchgoers felt the need to take a gun to chapel.

And yet guns are flooding your country, and when another nut does attack one of your churches, no one will be able to stop them.......

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Who needs to carry a gun to church? People who know that evil people target good people for murder....

It is being reported that this shooter may have been stopped by armed citizens with their legal guns....saving lives, stopping the killing...

The shooter may have had a rifle, and was stopped by a good guy with a pistol...

BREAKING: Church Shooting Reported In Texas, Armed Churchgoers Appear To Have Stopped It, Reporter Suggests

“It appears that a gunman shot two church members at back of auditorium with a footlong weapon, then a member shot the gunman with a pistol,” Ross wrote. “This is just based on me watching the video again. Screaming afterward in the church. So tragic. Two quick shots at back, then another shot. Then at least three members (I believe) with pistols [walking] toward where the gunman appeared to fall.”

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

BREAKING: Man Opens Fire At Oklahoma Walmart, Confronted By Armed Citizen, Report Says

Two people were killed at a Walmart in Oklahoma by a man who opened fire in the parking lot on Monday before turning the weapon on himself after an armed citizen confronted him.
------

The assailant, who has not yet been identified, shot and killed a man and a woman in the parking lot and when he was “confronted by an armed citizen, he then turned the gun on himself,” The Daily Mail reported.

for every SD use, there are dozens of murders

And your point is?

 

[K9Buck]

I don't know the shooter's motive, but anyone that wants to kill a LOT of people should steal or rent a truck and then plow into large crowds of people like the terrorist in Nice, France did. No mass-shooting in American history comes close to the carnage the Nice terrorist created.