Church refuses to hold funeral for gay man

[DeadCanDance]

this is just wrong.

Church won't hold funeral for gay man

Kin scramble to find new site after Arlington clerics renege on offer

09:58 AM CDT on Friday, August 10, 2007
By JEFFREY WEISS / The Dallas Morning News

An Arlington church volunteered to host a funeral Thursday, then reneged on the invitation when it became clear the dead man's homosexuality would be identified in the service.

The event placed High Point Church in the cross hairs of an issue many conservative Christian organizations are discussing: how to take a hard-line theological position on homosexuality while showing compassion toward gay people and their families.

But the dispute between High Point Church and the friends and family of Cecil Sinclair has left confusion and hard feelings on both sides.

Mr. Sinclair, 46, died Monday. He was a native of Fort Worth, a Navy veteran who served in Desert Storm helping rescuers find downed pilots, and a singer in the Turtle Creek Chorale, said his mother, Eva Bowers. He did not belong to a church.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081007dnmetgayfuneral.3617689.html

 

[manu1959]

this is just wrong.

does a business not have the right to refuse services

 

[DeadCanDance]

does a business not have the right to refuse services

Number one, Churches aren't business'. They are given non-profit status in this country.

Number two, what would Jesus have done? Jesus definetly wouldn't have broken a promise like these "christians", and reneged on the funeral service. And I'm quite sure Jesus wouldn't deny ANY human being, a funeral service.

 

[manu1959]

Number one, Churches aren't business'. They are given non-profit status in this country.

Number two, what would Jesus have done? Jesus definetly wouldn't have broken a promise like these "christians", and reneged on the funeral service. And I'm quite sure Jesus wouldn't deny ANY human being, a funeral service.

a non-profit business still has the right to refuse service ...

the tale of sodom and gomorrah is an interesting story ....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

this is just wrong.

So now in order to be politically correct people are supposed to go against the VERY things they grouped together for? The Church in question disagrees with homeosexual relations. They had every reason to refuse he service. In fact they did more than they had to, they offered food, a place to hold the service and help.

It is called freedom of religion, perhaps you would like to explain to a Muslim why they should hold services for a gay couple?

 

[Mr.Conley]

So now in order to be politically correct people are supposed to go against the VERY things they grouped together for? The Church in question disagrees with homeosexual relations. They had every reason to refuse he service. In fact they did more than they had to, they offered food, a place to hold the service and help.

It is called freedom of religion, perhaps you would like to explain to a Muslim why they should hold services for a gay couple?

Let he who is without sin...

 

[liberalogic]

The church, being a private organization, does have every right to deny its services. You're exactly right-- that's why it's called freedom of religion.

On the flipside of the coin (for me at least), I look at this morally (according to my own moral standards), not legally. Homosexuality, according to Christianity is a sin. It is one of many, many, many sins. Every person on this planet has sinned in one way or another throughout his/her entire life. And I'm willing to bet that this church, along with every other church on the face of the earth, has buried someone who has sinned. If you're going to deny someone a funeral service because of the sin of homosexuality, then the church should deny every person who has ever sinned during their lifetime.

 

[manu1959]

The church, being a private organization, does have every right to deny its services. You're exactly right-- that's why it's called freedom of religion.

On the flipside of the coin (for me at least), I look at this morally (according to my own moral standards), not legally. Homosexuality, according to Christianity is a sin. It is one of many, many, many sins. Every person on this planet has sinned in one way or another throughout his/her entire life. And I'm willing to bet that this church, along with every other church on the face of the earth, has buried someone who has sinned. If you're going to deny someone a funeral service because of the sin of homosexuality, then the church should deny every person who has ever sinned during their lifetime.

open your own church..... hold all the gay funerals and marriages and baptisism you want

 

[William Joyce]

I'm going to side with the church. First, they didn't just deny him a funeral. They denied a funeral in which his homosexuality would be praised. Since that goes directly against their beliefs, they have every right to say no. Second, there are plenty of homosexual-friendly churches that would probably let you play gay porn at the funeral - so go there. Will liberalism be satisfied until every last human being has had a lobotomy to follow the liberal beliefs?

 

[Alpha1]

I'm going to side with the church. First, they didn't just deny him a funeral. They denied a funeral in which his homosexuality would be praised. Since that goes directly against their beliefs, they have every right to say no. Second, there are plenty of homosexual-friendly churches that would probably let you play gay porn at the funeral - so go there. Will liberalism be satisfied until every last human being has had a lobotomy to follow the liberal beliefs?

Maybe thats Cys (DCD) problem...a botched operation.......

 

[DeadCanDance]

So now in order to be politically correct people are supposed to go against the VERY things they grouped together for? The Church in question disagrees with homeosexual relations. They had every reason to refuse he service. In fact they did more than they had to, they offered food, a place to hold the service and help.

It is called freedom of religion, perhaps you would like to explain to a Muslim why they should hold services for a gay couple?

Please.

What would Jesus do? Would Jesus break a promise? Would he promise to give this guy a funeral, and then renege on it when he found out the dude was a sinner?

LOL - what kind of "christians" are you? We're all sinners.

Do you know how many sins are in the bible? If these so-called "christians" were really concerned about not giving funerals to people who sin, then nobody who ever willfully engaged in pre-marital sex, gluttony, worked on the sabbath, or masterbated, should ever be given a funeral at that church then.

Singling out gay sin, is just cherrypicking sins because of their own personal homophobia. They're hiding behind the bible, to defend their bigotry.

 

[manu1959]

Please.

What would Jesus do? Would Jesus break a promise? Would he promise to give this guy a funeral, and then renege on it when he found out the dude was a sinner?

LOL - what kind of "christians" are you? We're all sinners.

Do you know how many sins are in the bible? If these so-called "christians" were really concerned about not giving funerals to people who sin, then nobody who ever willfully engaged in pre-marital sex, gluttony, worked on the sabbath, or masterbated, should ever be given a funeral at that church then.

Singling out gay sin, is just cherrypicking sins because of their own personal homophobia. They're hiding behind the bible, to defend their bigotry.

what you should be asking yourself is ...... what would ted kennedy do ....

but just for fun....murder is a sin as well .... should a murderer be given a funeral where his murder of gay men is made a part of the proceedings? .... of course he should ... all sins are equal and let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

 

[DeadCanDance]

what you should be asking yourself is ...... what would ted kennedy do ....

but just for fun....murder is a sin as well .... should a murderer be given a funeral where his murder of gay men is made a part of the proceedings? .... of course he should ... all sins are equal and let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

You keep refusing to answer the question. I think I know why.

What would Jesus do? Would Jesus break a promise, to hold a funeral for a prostitute, a gay man, an adulterer, or a criminal?

No he wouldn't. I'm astonished that so-called "christians" hide behind the bible, to justify their own personal bigotries.

I don't think this is how Jesus would have acted.

 

[manu1959]

You keep refusing to answer the question. I think I know why.

What would Jesus do? Would Jesus break a promise, to hold a funeral for a prostitute, a gay man, an adulterer, or a criminal?

No he wouldn't. I'm astonished that so-called "christians" hide behind the bible, to justify their own personal bigotries.

I don't think this is how Jesus would have acted.

your question is rehtorical it requires no answer......

if the gay may and and is family are christian they would forgive the church and turn the other cheek....and if you were christian you would not be judging others.....

it would seem you are not christian and the gay family is grandstanding....

 

[Larkinn]

I'm going to side with the church. First, they didn't just deny him a funeral. They denied a funeral in which his homosexuality would be praised.

And where in the article does it say homosexuality would be praised?

Its their right to do this, but it is also highly fucked up. Everyone deserves a funeral, whether you agree or disagree with how they lived their life. They are dead now, have a little bit of fucking respect.

 

[manu1959]

And where in the article does it say homosexuality would be praised?

Its their right to do this, but it is also highly fucked up. Everyone deserves a funeral, whether you agree or disagree with how they lived their life. They are dead now, have a little bit of fucking respect.

no one is denying the man his funeral......this particular church would just prefer not to celebrate the life of a gay man.....

oh and to answer your question....the first paragraph....

 

[Larkinn]

no one is denying the man his funeral......this particular church would just prefer not to celebrate the life of a gay man.....

oh and to answer your question....the first paragraph....

Sure they are...this particular church is denying him a funeral. Thats the whole point of the article.

And as to your response to my question...please look up the difference between "identify" and "praise". There is most certainly a difference between the two terms.

 

[maineman]

there are many churches who sanctimoniously ignore the words in red.... the family should have just gone to one that did not and not made a big deal out of it. I am quite sure that any congregational church - or MCC church would have done the service

 

[jillian]

no one is denying the man his funeral......this particular church would just prefer not to celebrate the life of a gay man.....

oh and to answer your question....the first paragraph....

Actually, it says "identified". I don't recall that being a synonym for "praise".

 

[manu1959]

Actually, it says "identified". I don't recall that being a synonym for "praise".

my antagonist chose his word for a reason.....once one has lost an argument you start chosing your words carefully so as to divert the argument from what it is about to one of semantics....

in any event, the purpose of a funeral is to praise ones life .... as i have pointed out .... i am sure the church would not want whoring or adulterating or pedophilia or murdering to be mentioned either.....