Cougarbear:
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kjw47:
So, those in 1382 knew there is a godhead of three. And you are questioning me? The word is there because of the understood concept as well. Here is the real reason I know the word is correctly translated, Joseph Smith was a true prophet and testified he saw the Father and Son. End of story.Cougarbear:
Nobody asked you what Godhead means. Who cares! The fact remains the word is a fabrication that didn't show up in the Bible until 1382 or 1,300 years AFTER the last book of the Bible was written.
John Wycliffe (born 1330 CE) used the word Godhede in his 1382 English translation. He was the first person to translate the entire Bible to English.
Trinitiarian Bible translators eventually changed godhede to Godhead.
"Godhead is a Middle English variant of the word godhood, and denotes the divine character of the Christian God
The ending "-head", is not connected with the word "head". John Wycliffe introduced the term godhede into English Bible versions, and, though somewhat archaic, the term survives in modern English because of its use in three places of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible . In that translation, the word was used to translate three different Greek words."
John Wycliffe | Biography, Bible, Beliefs, Reformation, Legacy, Death, & Facts | Britannica
John Wycliffe, English theologian, philosopher, church reformer, and promoter of the first complete translation of the Bible into English. He was one of the forerunners of the Protestant Reformation. The Lollards, a heretical group, propagated his controversial views.
Deal with that.
Alter2Ego
Cougarbear:
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Fact checkCougarbear:
Nobody asked you what Godhead means. Who cares! The fact remains the word is a fabrication that didn't show up in the Bible until 1382 or 1,300 years AFTER the last book of the Bible was written.
John Wycliffe (born 1330 CE) used the word Godhede in his 1382 English translation. He was the first person to translate the entire Bible to English.
Trinitiarian Bible translators eventually changed godhede to Godhead.
"Godhead is a Middle English variant of the word godhood, and denotes the divine character of the Christian God
The ending "-head", is not connected with the word "head". John Wycliffe introduced the term godhede into English Bible versions, and, though somewhat archaic, the term survives in modern English because of its use in three places of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible . In that translation, the word was used to translate three different Greek words."
John Wycliffe | Biography, Bible, Beliefs, Reformation, Legacy, Death, & Facts | Britannica
John Wycliffe, English theologian, philosopher, church reformer, and promoter of the first complete translation of the Bible into English. He was one of the forerunners of the Protestant Reformation. The Lollards, a heretical group, propagated his controversial views.
Deal with that.
Alter2Ego
So, why don’t you give us the text without the word godhead. You can’t because the oldest text isn’t written in English now is it! But the meaning in Greek, Latin or whatever is the fact both the Father and Son are God meaning a godhead of at least two.Cougarbear:
The oldest existing manuscript from which modern Bibles are translated is the Codex Sinaiticus, which dates back to the 4th century CE.
Codex Sinaiticus | Earliest Known Biblical Manuscript | Britannica
Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest known manuscript of the Christian Bible, compiled in the 4th century ce. In 1844, 43 leaves of a 4th-century biblical codex (a collection of single pages bound together along one side) were discovered at St. Catherine’s Monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai (hence the
Nine hundred years after the existence of the Codex Sinaiticus, that is, in 1382, John Wycliffe invented the word godhede and inserted it into his English translation. Trinitarian Bible translators then changed John Wycliffe's fabricated word godhede to godhead.
Neither godhede nor godhead appear in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus from which modern Bibles are translated. The sources clearly state that John Wycliffe made it up. Notice one source quoted below.'
"The ending "-head", is not connected with the word "head". John Wycliffe introduced the term godhed into English Bible versions in two places, and, though somewhat archaic, the term survives in modern English because of its use in three places of the Tyndale New Testament (1525) and into the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (1611). In that translation, the word was used to translate three different Greek words:
Alter2Ego
I know, I got kicked out of most trinity run sights for posting 9 teachings from Jesus that are in every translation on Earth, but they expose those religions as false and prove 100% his teachings back the JW teachers. I merely am a seed planter.
You've failed with me. Pathetically I might add. All you have managed is to miss the seeds with your horse manure and contaminate the world.
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Again, your 4th century manuscript was not written in English. So obviously the word Godhead wasn't there. But the concept was there and matches with other places in the scriptures like John 1:1. Let me ask you so-called Christians, what is it that you fear to realize the Father and Son are not the same personage? Why will that condemn you to hell to believe and understand this?Cougarbear:
I just provided you with a link to the Encyclopedia Britannica that says the Codex Sinaiticus is a 4th century manuscript of the Bible. Encyclopedia Britannica makes that point in the first paragraph when you click the link directly below. Focus on the words that I bolded in red below:
"Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest known manuscript of the Christian Bible, compiled in the 4th century ce.
Codex Sinaiticus | Earliest Known Biblical Manuscript | Britannica
Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest known manuscript of the Christian Bible, compiled in the 4th century ce. In 1844, 43 leaves of a 4th-century biblical codex (a collection of single pages bound together along one side) were discovered at St. Catherine’s Monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai (hence the
I then provided you with another source that says 900 years after the existence of the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus (in 1382), John Wycliffe introduced the word godhede into his English translation.
"The ending "-head", is not connected with the word "head". John Wycliffe introduced the term godhed into English Bible versions in two places, and, though somewhat archaic, the term survives in modern English because of its use in three places of the Tyndale New Testament (1525) and into the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (1611). In that translation, the word was used to translate three different Greek words:
Because you refuse to be corrected, you are now using the lame argument that since I can't read the language in which the Codex Sinaiticus was written, I don't know what's in there. The language of the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus is Greek. I can't read Greek, but Bible scholars who are bilingual in Greek and English have confirmed that godhede was introduced by John Wycliffe in his English translation. I quoted one source directly above this paragraph.
"Introduced" means the word godhede wasn't in the original text.
Alter2Ego
That's your call.
kjw47:
Cougarbear:
My point was simply to see what Biblehub takes these word back to in the Greek. As I showed in the post, the KJV shows that the word "Godhead" was translated from the following Greek:
No it does not. Now, there are different ways various churches view the trinity like 3 in one versus 3 separate personages. The very fact there are two personages mentioned in the verse that says they both are God suggests the need of a Godhead.
onefour1:
