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The counter-strike would be against the US.If Bejing was hit with a nuke...............
Well I guess no need to consider the thrust of the thread then. I agree, neither will attack or defend with nukes.The counter-strike would be against the US.
Nothing we see posted on this board demonstrates an understanding of China's relationship to Taiwan. Neither Taiwan or mainland China is going to attack the other.
China will nuke the USA if it decided, that it is safer than not nuking. And vice versa.Well I guess no need to consider the thrust of the thread then. I agree, neither will attack or defend with nukes.
I didn't say with nukes. Neither are going to attack the other.Well I guess no need to consider the thrust of the thread then. I agree, neither will attack or defend with nukes.
That's the equivalent of either country just ignoring the M.A.D. deterrent.China will nuke the USA if it decided, that it is safer than not nuking. And vice versa.
Then I guess you better run and hide now. Run, run run.......China will nuke the USA if it decided, that it is safer than not nuking. And vice versa.
There are no "unthinkable" things. Especially, if at stake is existence of the state and millions lives.That's the equivalent of either country just ignoring the M.A.D. deterrent.
China understands that the use of nuclear weapons is unthinkable. We suppose that the US thinks the same but we don't have to take into consideration a sociopath as president at the moment.
Milley rang the alarm bells and justifiably so. There's no way of unringing them now.
It's near certain that America is looking long and hard at it's priorities and it's precautions to prevent a madman from doing the unthinkable. This is of course of the highest priority of secrecy.
Likewise China would be having a closer look at it's defensive measures and it's level of alertness.
Sorry but your problems with the English language has resulted in mostly confusion over what point you're trying to make. You seem to be suggesting that MAD doesn't apply because of obsolete US weapons?There are no "unthinkable" things. Especially, if at stake is existence of the state and millions lives.
And yes, with the obsolete US nuclear arsenal there is no MAD. One of simplificated scenarios:
1. Tension around Taiwan are raising. American leaders to avoid provocations decrease amount of alert Ohio submarines in the Ocean.
I can't accept that there is any 'post attack' blackmail happening.Therefore, there are good chances that Biden will succumb to this postattack blackmail and accept 'generous peaceful offering' from his friend Xi.
Yes. Russia and China can destroy 80-90% of the US nuclear arsenal and then intercept significant part of the retaliation strike. Therefore, Chinese and Russian losses may be decreased to the acceptable (for them) level.Sorry but your problems with the English language has resulted in mostly confusion over what point you're trying to make. You seem to be suggesting that MAD doesn't apply because of obsolete US weapons?
If Russia and China think, that the USA are preparing to attack them - it can provoke them to attack first.I can't imagine any reason to agree that the US would reduce it's N.weapons due to Taiwan tensions.
Why not? If Russia and China can prevent death of thousands of their citizens by negotiations - they may try it. Just to stop nuclear exchange after the first succesful counter-force strike.I can't accept that there is any 'post attack' blackmail happening.
There is nothing original. Did you read Herman Kahn 'On thermonuclear war'?Your line of thinking overall is original but I'm not finding it to be credible.
You're not making it clear what point you're trying to make. Stick to that one and try to clarify. Otherwise I'm going to leave you with it.Why not? If Russia and China can prevent death of thousands of their citizens by negotiations - they may try it. Just to stop nuclear exchange after the first succesful counter-force strike.
Ok. What is more important - to protect your citizens or to kill civilians in a foreign state?You're not making it clear what point you're trying to make. Stick to that one and try to clarify. Otherwise I'm going to leave you with it.
Actually no. If a country is proposing peace it wouldn't suggest it would be on it's own terms. It would suggest mutually acceptable terms.Ok. What is more important - to protect your citizens or to kill civilians in a foreign state?
I think - to protect your citizens. If your enemy is already almost disarmed (but still can harm you) isn't it rational to suggest him peace on your terms?
No, surrendering isn't rational. Suggesting peaceful coexistence would be one rational approach to the situation, while keeping up the appearance of strength.From another hand. If you are almost disarmed, have no chance to win the war, but still have a chance to save millions of your civilians - isn't it rational to surrender (or to start peaceful negotiations to buy some time or better peace conditions)?
Sometimes even 'unconditional surrender' becomes 'mutually acceptable terms'. The possibility to impose your will (and write a text of a peace treaty) is what we usually call a victory.Actually no. If a country is proposing peace it wouldn't suggest it would be on it's own terms. It would suggest mutually acceptable terms.
Do you want to say, that Japan and German leaders weren't rational in 1945?No, surrendering isn't rational. Suggesting peaceful coexistence would be one rational approach to the situation, while keeping up the appearance of strength.
That just might be what Biden is doing with China.
unfortunately .....that is very possible.....with biden all you can expect is one disaster after another.There are no "unthinkable" things. Especially, if at stake is existence of the state and millions lives.
And yes, with the obsolete US nuclear arsenal there is no MAD. One of simplificated scenarios:
1. Tension around Taiwan are raising. American leaders to avoid provocations decrease amount of alert Ohio submarines in the Ocean.
2. China asks the Russians to help them to fight USA. Russia agreed and gave them, say, fifty Tu-95MS-16 (Bear-H) with 16 Kh-102 stealth cruise missiles (1 Mt warhead, CEP 10 m, range - more than 5 thousand kilometers) each.
3. They use (or create) holes in North Warning System and 50×16 = 800 warheads more than enough to destroy the whole system (500 sites) of continental US strategic targets - more than 90% of total nuclear arsenal and to kill, say, 5 millions of Americans.
4. So, after this sudden counter-force strike Biden still have, say, 4 Ohio with 24 obsolete Tridents II missiles with 4 warheads (90 kt) each, interceptable by new Russian and Chinese AA complexes. It is far from "assured destruction" - it means less than one million Chinese civilians or 0,1% of their population killed. What is even more important, by the third, retaliation strike against defenseless USA China will be able to kill roughly half of the US population and allow Cubans (and other Latinos) to occupy remains.
Therefore, there are good chances that Biden will succumb to this postattack blackmail and accept 'generous peaceful offering' from his friend Xi.
It's not just Biden's problem, but he, obviously, makes things worse.unfortunately .....that is very possible.....with biden all you can expect is one disaster after another.
That much?Joey Xi will fold like a cheap suit and sell Taiwan to the CCP for 30 pieces of silver...