China stunned by the ineffectiveness of their air defense batteries in Maduro Raid

[Deadstick]

This is the kind of stupid level of oversimplification that always drives me crazy. Hell, anybody who has studied the multiple groups in the region knows that the multiple groups that hold that name now in that region have no connection to the original group of the same name.

For those that do not know, none of the various groups that popped up in Iraq or other countries ever had anything to do with al-Qaeda. Iraq in specific was started by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi in 2004 when he pledged allegiance to bin Laden, and renamed his Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (or more commonly "al-Qaeda in Iraq"). In 2004 and afterwards, a hell of a lot of terror groups suddenly started changing their name to some local form of al-Qaeda, even though none of them actually had any connection to the group. Not unlike decades earlier where slews of groups started appending "Palestine" to the names of their groups to ride the coat tales of the PLO.

Something that even bin Laden himself lashed out against.

So when it's convenient for your narrative they have nothing to do with Al Qaeda, do me a favour.

 

[JoeB131]

Still happy US installed Al Qaeda are now in power in Syria? as for Russia in Syria they could have prevented the Al Qaeda takeover but for some reason didn't, they had full control of the air and could and should have annihilated that terrorist convoy of Toyota trucks that was allowed to drive down the main highway from Aleppo to Damascus, they also made several other big mistakes when they were there like when Aleppo was liberated they allowed all the jihadi thugs to leave the City with their weapons and settle in Idlib where the Turks armed and trained them again, Putin made the mistake of trusting that Turkish bastard Erdogan, he has made some of the same mistakes in Ukraine, there are some who think he is not up to the job and would take a much harder line when dealing with Nato and the Ukrainians.

Um, if Putin got played by Erdogan, that's his own darned fault, isn't it?

The main reason why Putin didn't risk the few planes he had left was if he did, the Israelis would have probably shot them out of the sky. As much as you want to call HST "Al Qaeda", the reality is that he operated with the full cooperation of the Zionists, who were finally happy to have the Assad Regime out of power and their Iranian and Russian allies driven out of the country.

 

[justoffal]

Most likely true, clear there was some sort of treachery, if indeed she is the traitor she probably won't live long, there are thousands of Chavezistas and they are all armed, depends if high ranking elements of the military were involved in the treachery, Ridriguez makes patriotic noises about freeing Maduro etc but so far her actions say something else.

Maduro=Treachery

 

[Deadstick]

Maduro=Treachery

He didn't sell his Country to the American Reich you asshole.

 

[Deadstick]

Um, if Putin got played by Erdogan, that's his own darned fault, isn't it?

The main reason why Putin didn't risk the few planes he had left was if he did, the Israelis would have probably shot them out of the sky. As much as you want to call HST "Al Qaeda", the reality is that he operated with the full cooperation of the Zionists, who were finally happy to have the Assad Regime out of power and their Iranian and Russian allies driven out of the country.

Yes it is Putins fault he trusted Erdogan that's how things are when you think you are dealing with Men of honour, problem is he has done it more than once, as for Russian aircraft in Syria they had many not a few and Israel would not have attacked them if they had been used to destroy that convoy or there would have been a direct confrontation with Russia, as for HTS they were a cocktail of Turkish and Western backed head hacking terrorists including Al Nusra which had already changed it's name from Al Qaeda, there was no difference between those groups, they were a proxy army of the West to destroy Syrian resistance to the Zionists, now by all accounts they are being deployed by the Americans from Syrian prisons to Iraq where they will have a springboard to attack Iran.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes it is Putins fault he trusted Erdogan that's how things are when you think you are dealing with Men of honour, problem is he has done it more than once, as for Russian aircraft in Syria they had many not a few and Israel would not have attacked them if they had been used to destroy that convoy or there would have been a direct confrontation with Russia, as for HTS they were a cocktail of Turkish and Western backed head hacking terrorists including Al Nusra which had already changed it's name from Al Qaeda, there was no difference between those groups, they were a proxy army of the West to destroy Syrian resistance to the Zionists, now by all accounts they are being deployed by the Americans from Syrian prisons to Iraq where they will have a springboard to attack Iran.

Are you trying to claim Putin has "Honor"? Seriously? Is this the claim you are trying to make?

The reality is , Putin already pulled out most of his planes and troops from Syria to make up for his crushing losses in Ukraine.

I'm sure Bashar al-Assad and his cronies will be very happy living out their lives in a Russian dacha.

 

[Deadstick]

Are you trying to claim Putin has "Honor"? Seriously? Is this the claim you are trying to make?

The reality is , Putin already pulled out most of his planes and troops from Syria to make up for his crushing losses in Ukraine.

I'm sure Bashar al-Assad and his cronies will be very happy living out their lives in a Russian dacha.

He has shown a damn sight more honour than the Ukrainians and their western puppet masters, He didn't use Minsk to arm the Ukrainians more for them to prepare for another assault on Donbass as Merkel later admitted, fat lot of good it did, you seem pleased a bunch of head hacking savages are now ruling Syria with their Israeli partners, as for Putin pulling his aircraft out of Syria even if that were true which i dispute just one or two jets would have incinerated that convoy in a heart beat.

 

[JoeB131]

He has shown a damn sight more honour than the Ukrainians and their western puppet masters, He didn't use Minsk to arm the Ukrainians more for them to prepare for another assault on Donbass as Merkel later admitted, fat lot of good it did,

Russia was illegally occupying Crimea and Donbas. If they didn't have nukes and a veto on the UN, the world would have done something about that.

you seem pleased a bunch of head hacking savages are now ruling Syria with their Israeli partners, as for Putin pulling his aircraft out of Syria even if that were true which i dispute just one or two jets would have incinerated that convoy in a heart beat.

You vastly overestimate the value of air power.

the only savage in Syria was al-Assad, which is why his people turned on him once his Russian and Iranian masters got occuppied elsewhere.

 

[justoffal]

He didn't sell his Country to the American Reich you asshole.

Oh no he simply murdered and imprisoned all of his opponents, subverted a free election and took over from Chavez the oil thief.....

 

[Meister]

Um, no, Politicians fought that war even though they knew it was unwinnable.

BS

 

[JoeB131]

BS

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/opinion/vietnam-was-unwinnable.html

There is a broad consensus among professional historians that the Vietnam War was effectively unwinnable. Even the revisionists admit their minority status, though some claim that it’s because of a deep-seated liberal bias within the academic history profession. But doubts about the war’s winnability are hardly limited to the halls of academe. One can readily find them in the published works of official Army historians like Dr. Jeffrey J. Clarke, whose book “Advice and Support: The Final Years, 1965-1973” highlights the irrevocable problems that frustrated American policy and strategy in South Vietnam. Pessimism also pervades “Vietnam Declassified: The C.I.A. and Counterinsurgency,” a declassified volume of the agency’s secret official history penned by Thomas L. Ahern Jr., a career C.I.A. operations officer who served extensively in Indochina during the war.

The corrupt, undemocratic and faction-riven South Vietnamese government — both under President Ngo Dinh Diem, who was assassinated in a 1963 coup, and under the military cliques that followed him — proved incapable of providing its people and armed forces a cause worth fighting for. Unfortunately for the United States and the future happiness of the South Vietnamese people, the Communists were more successful: By whipping up anti-foreign nationalist sentiment against the “American imperialists” and promising to reform the corrupt socio-economic system that kept most of the country’s citizens trapped in perpetual poverty, they persuaded millions to fight and die for them.

And even as American soldiers began pouring into the country in 1965, there were already enough South Vietnamese troops on hand that they should have been able to defend it on their own. After all, the South Vietnamese forces outnumbered the Communists, were far better supplied, had vastly superior firepower and enjoyed a considerable advantage in mobility thanks to transport planes and helicopters. But their Achilles’ heel was their weak will to fight — and this shortcoming was never overcome.

Some years after the war ended, Lt. Gen. Arthur S. Collins, who had commanded all American troops in the central region of South Vietnam from February 1970 to January 1971, told an Army historian: “I didn’t think there was any way that South Vietnam could survive, no matter what we did for them. What put the final nail in the coffin, from my point of view, was when I learned from questioning [South Vietnamese] general officers that almost without exception their sons were in school in France, Switzerland, or the U.S. If they weren’t going to fight for South Vietnam, who was?”

 

[Deadstick]

Oh no he simply murdered and imprisoned all of his opponents, subverted a free election and took over from Chavez the oil thief.....

You sound as crackers as Trump who thinks other peoples Countries belong to you, meanwhile another US Citizen has been executed by Trumps Gestapo on your streets.

 

[Deadstick]

Russia was illegally occupying Crimea and Donbas. If they didn't have nukes and a veto on the UN, the world would have done something about that.


You vastly overestimate the value of air power.

the only savage in Syria was al-Assad, which is why his people turned on him once his Russian and Iranian masters got occuppied elsewhere.

You still don't get it, Assad had a lot of suppport he was up against Islamist terrorists who were financed and directed by the US and it's vassals, the video shows Assad visiting Aleppo at Christmas in 2016 after it was liberated from the head choppers, first time Christmas was celebrated in all that time, like i said he made the mistake of allowing the terrorists to leave the City instead of killing the bastards.

 

[Mushroom]

Oh no he simply murdered and imprisoned all of his opponents, subverted a free election and took over from Chavez the oil thief.....

And don't forget when the Leftists applauded when Chavez shut down all the press that did not ejaculate themselves over him and a great many journalists fled the country. And that has only continued under Maduro.

There were plenty of Leftists here that actually applauded that move, and that is when I started to realize that to many, that proved many of their claims are lies. They do not believe in freedom, they only believe in authoritarianism where the only beliefs people are allowed to share are their own.

 

[Deadstick]

And don't forget when the Leftists applauded when Chavez shut down all the press that did not ejaculate themselves over him and a great many journalists fled the country. And that has only continued under Maduro.

There were plenty of Leftists here that actually applauded that move, and that is when I started to realize that to many, that proved many of their claims are lies. They do not believe in freedom, they only believe in authoritarianism where the only beliefs people are allowed to share are their own.

You clowns just can't abide any small Country being independent can you?

 

[Deadstick]

This is what the western backed head choppers think about Christmas.

 

[Meister]

You clowns just can't abide any small Country being independent can you?

Define 'independent'.

 

[JoeB131]

You still don't get it, Assad had a lot of suppport he was up against Islamist terrorists who were financed and directed by the US and it's vassals, the video shows Assad visiting Aleppo at Christmas in 2016 after it was liberated from the head choppers, first time Christmas was celebrated in all that time, like i said he made the mistake of allowing the terrorists to leave the City instead of killing the bastards.

Except the minute his Russian and Iranian puppet masters left, his regime collapsed within days.

 

[Deadstick]

Except the minute his Russian and Iranian puppet masters left, his regime collapsed within days.

Like the Afghans did after you pulled out, there were thousands of those jihadi head choppers, many from every Country on earth including yours and mine Iran never had combat troops in Syria if they had it would have been a different outcome, they should have sent some armoured divisions,and as i said Putin/Russia held the SAA back at times thinking Erdogan was a man of his word, the SAA had fought just about alone for years, does it make you proud your Country was on the side of Islamist terrorists and not the ones who were fighting them?

 

[Deadstick]

Define 'independent'.

Simple being allowed to forge it's own path in the World with trade etc, providing they don't threaten anyone else in the process, Canada is signing a trade deal with China, Trump said he won't tolerate it, last i heard Carney told him to piss off.