China stunned by the ineffectiveness of their air defense batteries in Maduro Raid

[Soupnazi630]

South Vietnam wasn't a legitimate country. It was set up by the French to keep their foot in the region.



Congrats, you earned your borscht ration today at the Troll farm.

It was just as much a legitiimate country as North Vietnam

It was no civil war you illiterate peasant

You need to learn what a school is and figure out what history means you are one ignorant cuck

 

[hadit]

Oh I'm quite sure there was some inside help...
I'm just transferring information I read in military journals.... Why so distressed?

TDS requires him to reject any information that might have the slightest positive impact on Orange Man.

 

[Kruska]

Greetings Chinaman.. Falun Gong happens to be one of the most accurate sources of news on the planet. Point out a single lie if you dare in any of their publications about China.

I think they are a bit strange.... But accuracy is definitely their strong point.

Greetings Falun Gong advocate and Trump apostle. - Meaning:, any discussion with you would be meaningless and thus a pure waste of time.

BTW - your entry post lacks any sources - thus your thread isn't even valid according to USMB regulations !!!

FYI - China has never supplied any AA missile related equipment to Venezuela
It consists entirely of Russian made products; Who's operational link up with additionally Chinese supplied Radar-systems (e.g. 9 JY-27 systems) obviously wasn't in place. Not to mention all these systems being maned by inadequately trained Venezuelan personal.

Tor-M1, S-125 Pechora-2M, Antey-2500, Pantsir-S1, Buk-M2E and S-300 - e.g. due to severe maintenance issues only 5 of the 12 Buk-M2E systems were operational. Those Venezuelans even had reactivated Swedish supplied RBS-70-AA systems (from the 70'ies!!!).

That the USA - especially a Trump and his MAGA apostles, celebrate and highlight a military strike or operation against a militarily totally incapable foe, and total underdogs see Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Yemen and now Venezuela is understood.

Thus to draw conclusions in regards to Russian, Chinese or other countries military systems is plainly RIDICULOUS.
However fits totally and perfectly into Trumps MAGA apostle trolls mindset, predominantly harboring a non-existing intelligence.

Anyone with basic military knowledge is aware that such, as those above mentioned countries are incapable to launch offensive or countermeasures against US military systems of the likes, EA-18G, EC-130H Compass Call and e.g. RC-135 Rivet Joint.

Best regards
Kruska

 

[justoffal]

Greetings Falun Gong advocate and Trump apostle. - Meaning:, any discussion with you would be meaningless and thus a pure waste of time.

BTW - your entry post lacks any sources - thus your thread isn't even valid according to USMB regulations !!!

FYI - China has never supplied any AA missile related equipment to Venezuela
It consists entirely of Russian made products; Who's operational link up with additionally Chinese supplied Radar-systems (e.g. 9 JY-27 systems) obviously wasn't in place. Not to mention all these systems being maned by inadequately trained Venezuelan personal.

Tor-M1, S-125 Pechora-2M, Antey-2500, Pantsir-S1, Buk-M2E and S-300 - e.g. due to severe maintenance issues only 5 of the 12 Buk-M2E systems were operational. Those Venezuelans even had reactivated Swedish supplied RBS-70-AA systems (from the 70'ies!!!).

That the USA - especially a Trump and his MAGA apostles, celebrate and highlight a military strike or operation against a militarily totally incapable foe, and total underdogs see Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Yemen and now Venezuela is understood.

Thus to draw conclusions in regards to Russian, Chinese or other countries military systems is plainly RIDICULOUS.
However fits totally and perfectly into Trumps MAGA apostle trolls mindset, predominantly harboring a non-existing intelligence.

Anyone with basic military knowledge is aware that such, as those above mentioned countries are incapable to launch offensive or countermeasures against US military systems of the likes, EA-18G, EC-130H Compass Call and e.g. RC-135 Rivet Joint.

Best regards
Kruska

Hey stupid.....60% of Russian equipment is Chinese supplied....

The only people celebrating are Venezuelans who were glad to be rid of Maduro. You a fan?

There's no feel good effect from any of this stuff it's all frightening albeit sometimes necessary.

Of course Venezuela is incapable that's why they import equipment from Russia and China.... There's a reason why China sat up and took notice it's not because they weren't involved. DUH....

Now what about those Falun Gong lies?
They may be a bit strange but they're very honest.

 

[JoeB131]

It was just as much a legitiimate country as North Vietnam

It was no civil war you illiterate peasant

You need to learn what a school is and figure out what history means you are one ignorant cuck

Of course it was a civil war. South Vietnam wasn't a "country" until the French and Americans propped it up. It had no distinct culture from N. Vietnam, just political differences.

 

[Kruska]

Hey stupid.....60% of Russian equipment is Chinese supplied....

Hey MAGA bunny, you responsible for that ridiculous statement? or did your convicted felon, or Falung Gong tell you so?

The only people celebrating are Venezuelans who were glad to be rid of Maduro. You a fan?

I don't see any Venezuelans celebrating, since the Maduro Clique/Regime is still in power. The one the Greenland guy stated today; "we work very well together". "Working very well together with a Communist government", that according to your narcissistic leader is involved in Drug trafficking and was not elected by the people!!!

There's no feel good effect from any of this stuff it's all frightening albeit sometimes necessary.

No idea, as to what you refer.

Of course Venezuela is incapable that's why they import equipment from Russia and China.... There's a reason why China sat up and took notice it's not because they weren't involved. DUH....

Importing weapons, especially by corrupt, inefficient and poorly trained military - doesn't increase their military prowess or capability. E.g. the Philippines got their entire military stuff, and training from the USA, and yet they possess a mediocre military.
Or in your and Falung Gong's words - US military equipment and training therefore sucks.

China only took notice of an attack that defies international law, due to a Chinese delegation being with Maduro at the time.

Now what about those Falun Gong lies?
They may be a bit strange but they're very honest.

If Falung Gong is sooo honest - you should ask your Canada annexation dude, why does the USA then want/need to spend 1.5 Trillion US$ for the Defense Budget??? as stated by him today. So far the highest Defense Budget!! During senile Biden's time it was US$997 billion in 2024. Oh yeah, Greenlanders and their Polar Bears pose an imminent threat to the USA - that must be it.

 

[Kruska]

It was no civil war you illiterate peasant

Off course it started as a civil war - namely by the Viet Cong - Communist Nationals composed of South Vietnamese who rebelled against an unelected SVN government that came to power in 1954 (Bảo Đại then being "replaced" by another unelected government headed by Diệm in 1955), who in return was removed/killed via a CIA sponsored coup in 1963 and replaced by another unelected government (Military Juntas) and so on till 1967 when Thieu came to power in another US rigged election.

That the Vietcong (VC) was trained and sponsored by North Vietnam and others is beyond question.

Now go back to school yourself - you illiterate, and learn about the differences between VC and NVA, the latter offically being the PAVN.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Off course it started as a civil war - namely by the Viet Cong - Communist Nationals composed of South Vietnamese who rebelled against an unelected SVN government that came to power in 1954 (Bảo Đại then being "replaced" by another unelected government headed by Diệm in 1955), who in return was removed/killed via a CIA sponsored coup in 1963 and replaced by another unelected government (Military Juntas) and so on till 1967 when Thieu came to power in another US rigged election.

That the Vietcong (VC) was trained and sponsored by North Vietnam and others is beyond question.

Now go back to school yourself - you illiterate, and learn about the differences between VC and NVA, the latter offically being the PAVN.

I disagree, the war was always about a conquest of the RVN by the PRVN. The VC were just useful fools that were eventually sacrificed in Tet. The PFLVN (the civilian front for the VC) was run from North Vietnam

 

[Soupnazi630]

Off course it started as a civil war - namely by the Viet Cong - Communist Nationals composed of South Vietnamese who rebelled against an unelected SVN government that came to power in 1954 (Bảo Đại then being "replaced" by another unelected government headed by Diệm in 1955), who in return was removed/killed via a CIA sponsored coup in 1963 and replaced by another unelected government (Military Juntas) and so on till 1967 when Thieu came to power in another US rigged election.

That the Vietcong (VC) was trained and sponsored by North Vietnam and others is beyond question.

Now go back to school yourself - you illiterate, and learn about the differences between VC and NVA, the latter offically being the PAVN.

Wrong

Vietnam was two seperate kingdoms going back centuries

It was only forcibly united under colonialism and later Japanese occupation

Having an unelected governmeent is irrelevant as Minh was not elected either and he started the war


I need no schooling you do as you are ignorant of the history of that war now learn from your betters like me

 

[Soupnazi630]

Of course it was a civil war. South Vietnam wasn't a "country" until the French and Americans propped it up. It had no distinct culture from N. Vietnam, just political differences.

Wrong

It wa sa seperate kingdom from the north for centuries before french colonialism and japanese occupation

Political differences because it was a seperate nation
It was no civil war youi ignoramous

 

[JoeB131]

I disagree, the war was always about a conquest of the RVN by the PRVN. The VC were just useful fools that were eventually sacrificed in Tet. The PFLVN (the civilian front for the VC) was run from North Vietnam

No, the war was about liberating Vietnam from foreign occupation.

We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did on Germany and Japan in WWII.

We laced the country with landmines that are STILL killing people to this very day.

We dropped 19 million gallons of herbicides on the country, including 11 million of Agent Orange, which causes cancer and birth defects.

500,000 South Vietnamese women became prostitutes because that was the only way to feed their families.

Up to 3 million Vietnamese died in the war.

And the thing was, our own leaders KNEW the war was unwinnable from the start. That's why the Pentagon Papers were such a scandal.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong

It wa sa seperate kingdom from the north for centuries before french colonialism and japanese occupation

Political differences because it was a seperate nation
It was no civil war youi ignoramous

Actually, there were various periods of unification and division throughout history, but there was still a unified language and culture.

Before the French came in, Vietnam was ruled by the Nguyen Dynasty.

It was a civil War, which would have ended in a few weeks if we didn't spend years trying to prop up the Quisling Regime in the South. And when we pulled out, it took them a whole 55 days to overrun it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Actually, there were various periods of unification and division throughout history, but there was still a unified language and culture.

Before the French came in, Vietnam was ruled by the Nguyen Dynasty.

It was a civil War, which would have ended in a few weeks if we didn't spend years trying to prop up the Quisling Regime in the South. And when we pulled out, it took them a whole 55 days to overrun it.

having a similar languange and culgture is irrelevant. We have similar language and culture to the canadians and were once ruled by the same royalty.

But seperate nations, Same with Vietnam

It was not a civil war it was a war of communist conquest agaiinst another nations

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, the war was about liberating Vietnam from foreign occupation.

We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did on Germany and Japan in WWII.

We laced the country with landmines that are STILL killing people to this very day.

We dropped 19 million gallons of herbicides on the country, including 11 million of Agent Orange, which causes cancer and birth defects.

500,000 South Vietnamese women became prostitutes because that was the only way to feed their families.

Up to 3 million Vietnamese died in the war.

And the thing was, our own leaders KNEW the war was unwinnable from the start. That's why the Pentagon Papers were such a scandal.

Wrong it was about enslavement under the aggressive communist regime

We did not drop more bombs and your own link you provided earlier proves that fact apaprently you are to lazy to read your own sources

Your claim about landmines is unsupported. The communists used them far more than we did.

There is no evidence Agent orange causes birth defects and only association to a few forms of cancer

The three million number is arbitrary and always increasing. Both governments in north and south vietnam counted less than a million combined.

The war was not unwinnable they made bad decisions causing it to be lost

 

[Mushroom]

It wa sa seperate kingdom from the north for centuries before french colonialism and japanese occupation

I wanted to touch on this a bit more, for those that do not actually know.

"Vietnam" as it is known today really is a recent entity. For hundreds of years it was not a "nation", it was multiple entities that is not unlike "Germany" before it was unified, or "England" or "China". It was multiple warlords over hundreds of years that controlled various chunks of the modern nation, and all of them allowed to exist because it served the purposes of China who effectively commanded lordship over all of them.

Most specifically by the 16th Century these were the Nguyen Warlords, forerunner of the Nguyen Dynasty who controlled what was essentially Central Vietnam. The far north of the country was controlled by the Trinh Warlords, and the extreme south was controlled by the Champa Warlords.

The 16th Century was when things started to change. The Ming Dynasty was in decline, and their hold on the outer reaches of their empire was falling. The area we now know as Vietnam (then known as Dang Trong and Dang Ngoai) in the 16th century essentially broke away from China, and set up competing feudal kingdoms.

Above is an 18th century French map which clearly shows the divided and separate kingdoms.

In the 17th century, the Nguyen who had been subjugated by the Trinh decided to break away, and that started a war that lasted until the 18th century when the Nguyen were finally victorious and conquered the Trinh and absorbed them into their kingdom. But the Champa in the south remained independent and were still fighting the Nguyen Dynasty when in 1885 the French stepped in and unified the waring kingdoms into a single colony.

So indeed, the separation of North and South was very real. It existed long before the French took over, and even long predates the Nguyen Dynasty. Like most dynasties in that region from the Ming to the entirety of the Japanese Dynasty, they were simply warlords who were able to conquer most of their neighbors and absorb them. In Viet Nam, the Nguyen were actually not in charge for very long, and they did not control all of Vietnam.

 

[Unkotare]

Mighty attractive ladies there!

 

[Mushroom]

Mighty attractive ladies there!

And that is also clear to see, as their traditional attire is the Ao Dai.

Which many of my friends from that area of the world compare to the Kimono or Cheongsam (Qipao) as one of the more beautiful attires from that region of the world.

Unlike a friend of mine who was of Korean descent, and said she refused to wear their traditional Hanbok when she was around 10. She said it was a confectionary nightmare that looked like somebody was creating an outfit for a Far East production of "Gone With the Wind".

 

[JoeB131]

And that is also clear to see, as their traditional attire is the Ao Dai.

Which many of my friends from that area of the world compare to the Kimono or Cheongsam (Qipao) as one of the more beautiful attires from that region of the world.

Unlike a friend of mine who was of Korean descent, and said she refused to wear their traditional Hanbok when she was around 10. She said it was a confectionary nightmare that looked like somebody was creating an outfit for a Far East production of "Gone With the Wind".

You just wanted an excuse to post pictures of pretty Asian girls, didn't you.

Not that I'm objecting.

 

[JoeB131]

having a similar languange and culgture is irrelevant. We have similar language and culture to the canadians and were once ruled by the same royalty.

But seperate nations, Same with Vietnam

It was not a civil war it was a war of communist conquest agaiinst another nations

Well, no, not really. The French did not administer Vietnam as seperate countries, and the Nguyen Dynasty didn't, either. South Vietnam was an artificial creation of the French to keep their foot in the door.

it was no more a country than "East Germany".

South Vietnam only existed as a temporary entity until a national referendum could be held in 1956. Diem cancelled that referendum because he knew that the Communists would win. Easily.

Instead, he rigged an election to depose Bao Dai

Wrong it was about enslavement under the aggressive communist regime

We did not drop more bombs and your own link you provided earlier proves that fact apaprently you are to lazy to read your own sources

Um, yes, we did.

Your claim about landmines is unsupported. The communists used them far more than we did.

The US left landmines in Vietnam. An aid freeze won't erase that.

Southeast Asia is still riddled with unexploded American bombs and effects of Agent Orange, both of which USAID programs were helping to mitigate.

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The three million number is arbitrary and always increasing. Both governments in north and south vietnam counted less than a million combined.

That was before they could get a full accounting after the war. It works that way in every war, guy, you never get a full accounting of dead civilians until it is over.

The war was not unwinnable they made bad decisions causing it to be lost

The only bad decision was going in to start with.

 

[Kruska]

I disagree, the war was always about a conquest of the RVN by the PRVN. The VC were just useful fools that were eventually sacrificed in Tet. The PFLVN (the civilian front for the VC) was run from North Vietnam

The war was about Vietnamese Nationalistic people living in the South, who opposed non-elected governments imposed and installed by France, and the USA. That their additional proclamation from 1959 onward, after the Communist party started to take control of all apposition forces in the South to unify both states into a single Vietnam, was off-course welcomed by N-Vietnam. Since no one in the West had supported the South-Vietnamese opposition forces, the VC (largest contingent) got all the help they needed from Communist countries.

North-Vietnam factually enforced the annihilation of the VC - since many of their factions still beheld the notion to have an own independent South-Vietnamese state. N-Vietnam ensured the end of the VC as a military factor, by using them as the main component during the Tet Offensive in 1968 - thus the VC lost more then 65% of it's armed units. After that the NVA (Basically N-Vietnam) completely took the reigns, and became the main body fighting the USA, it's allies and South-Vietnam.