China Halts All Boeing Deliveries (and More)

[Correll]

Mercantilism does qualify as a zero-sum game especially when contrasted with "modern economics" which generally sees trade as positive-sum where both parties can benefit through comparative advantage.

Agreed.

"They" meaning Chinese communists did not put guns to the heads of rich American capitalists and force them to export their factories to China; good old fashioned capitalist greed made that decision 30 years ago,

Agreed. But more like 5o years ago. THis started back in the 70s and 80s. Really got baked into policy under Reagan. And has not been... even talked about seriously since then.

and now it's whining about the economic success China has achieved by lifting hundreds of millions of Chinese from poverty while millions of Americans have dropped from the middle class into a gig economy.

Mmm, I have to disagree here, "IT", ie the American Business elite, is still just fine with the status quo. THey have adjusted to the situation and have done fine with it, outsourcing manufacturing while taking a cut of the flow of money leaving the country.


I agree that China has done a good job by it's people, in raising their quality of life for their citizens.

That is to their credit. The RED CHINESE, are the government of china and as thus has a responsiblity to their people and to some extent, they have fulfilled that, in routing that flow of wealth to their population.

To be clear, that is nearly the ONLY thing to their credit, as they are terrible people and very oppressive.


AND, I also agree with you that part of the price of that, was dropping a large portion of the us labor force "into the gig economy".




I want to stop that flow of wealth from leaving the country. I want higher wages for the American workers.

 

[Correll]

Historically and strategically that appears to be true; however, is that reaction a pragmatic and geopolitical response to US attempts to dominate China's economy the same way it controls the economies of other sovereign countries?

i see politicians presiding over economic good times, and I see...

short sighted and lazy and greedy individuals who, due to good luck, have an excuse to dismiss voices raised against them and more money to play with, to spend on themselves personally (to enjoy personally) and on their supporters to strengthen their control and ensure their short term political survival.


I would GUESS that the red chinese leadership, raised on tales of "THE UNFAIR TREATIES" and the OPIUM WARS, and based on their historical and racial... grievances with that, feel all the justification they need to be xenophobic.

Indeed, I have seen some intersting historical vids that make the argument that this is sort of baked into the historical character and nature of the chinese nation, and would have been part of the sitatuion even if the NATIONALISTS had won and China was a functioning and free republic.


TO BE CLEAR, I do not hold ill will to china for their policies to benefit their people. Nor do I wish them ill as a people.

I just see a conflict of interests, in that I want that flow of wealth, to stop leaving my community for theirs.

I do worry about the human cost that this will have on them. I hope they have the...wisdom to hold it together and avoid... massive bloodshed or human suffering.

 

[TimFitz]

i see politicians presiding over economic good times, and I see...

short sighted and lazy and greedy individuals who, due to good luck, have an excuse to dismiss voices raised against them and more money to play with, to spend on themselves personally (to enjoy personally) and on their supporters to strengthen their control and ensure their short term political survival.


I would GUESS that the red chinese leadership, raised on tales of "THE UNFAIR TREATIES" and the OPIUM WARS, and based on their historical and racial... grievances with that, feel all the justification they need to be xenophobic.

Indeed, I have seen some intersting historical vids that make the argument that this is sort of baked into the historical character and nature of the chinese nation, and would have been part of the sitatuion even if the NATIONALISTS had won and China was a functioning and free republic.


TO BE CLEAR, I do not hold ill will to china for their policies to benefit their people. Nor do I wish them ill as a people.

I just see a conflict of interests, in that I want that flow of wealth, to stop leaving my community for theirs.

I do worry about the human cost that this will have on them. I hope they have the...wisdom to hold it together and avoid... massive bloodshed or human suffering.

The world is worried about the human cost of a trade war launched and manipulated by an unstable, ignorant, and reckless American President.

China stood up to Trump right away, responded in kind. Trump changed his tarrif policies for China five times in one week.

And now that all but the Chinese tarrifs have been “suspended ‘for 90 days, the instability over what the clown Prince may do next is sowing doubt and uncertainly all over the world.

 

[gipper]

The world is worried about the human cost of a trade war launched and manipulated by an unstable, ignorant, and reckless American President.

China stood up to Trump right away, responded in kind. Trump changed his tarrif policies for China five times in one week.

And now that all but the Chinese tarrifs have been “suspended ‘for 90 days, the instability over what the clown Prince may do next is sowing doubt and uncertainly all over the world.

We can only hope Trump’s craziness brings about the end of the American empire. He’d unwittingly go down in history as the greatest potus of all time. Well, at least to 90% of Americans.

 

[22lcidw]

Nothing strange about American hysteria over China's communists refusal to allow US bankers to control their political economy in the same way they dictate economic policies in America.

Communism with Chinese characteristics has succeeded where the USSR failed--the economy, something devout capitalist Richard Nixon set in motion 53 years ago.

China’s rise and America’s decline spell conflict

"Joining the World Trade Organization (WTO), in 2001, has propelled China to global prominence as the 'world’s factory'.

"In the following 20 years, the Chinese economy skyrocketed from the equivalent of 13 percent of the US economy to 73 percent this year; a five-fold increase.

"In the process, it pulled hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty."

How have hundreds of millions of Americans fared under Wall Street's command economy over the past 20 years?

History shows the rise and fall of nations. We are cutting our own throat with China. We also have spies here, traitors, people compromised, and corruption that has given them a lot of our technologies. Plus, our defense budget needs to be increased to compensate, and we have a military/industrial complex as we see. The money wasted in all ways is immense.

 

[PeterPilot]

Strange how communism can order a company not to buy something or that they have to buy something! Sounds like the Democrat party

Strange how fascism extort colleges and tell them how and what to do, or not.

 

[Correll]

The world is worried about the human cost of a trade war launched and manipulated by an unstable, ignorant, and reckless American President.

They were stupid to think that we would let them take advantage of US forever.

If they were the "Grownups" that they pretend to be, they would have never taken such advantage and allowed their economies to come to depend on it. They would have known that such behavior would eventually lead to a backlash.

China stood up to Trump right away, responded in kind. Trump changed his tarrif policies for China five times in one week.

So, the American left is clearly adn openenly siding with the communists chinese vs their fellow Americans?

Not really surprising except that you used to lie more about it.

But, ok. Sure. I'm good with that. I was worried about the mid terms, Trump is taking some big risks, and that scares people.

BUT, if the Dems are just going to continue to be increasingly bat shit crazy and openly ANTI-AMERICAN.

THat takes the pressure off of MAGA and gives us MORE freedom to play fast and hard.

China will burn. Hopefully only metaphorically, but one way or another, they lose. We win.

And now that all but the Chinese tarrifs have been “suspended ‘for 90 days, the instability over what the clown Prince may do next is sowing doubt and uncertainly all over the world.

GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. Or face the consequences. That is where the world is, and if they are half, the "Grownups" they pretend to be, they will face the reality of the situation and cut the best deal they can, to mitigate the cost they have to pay.

 

[Frankenstein]

Strange how fascism extort colleges and tell them how and what to do, or not.

It's federal funding for one of the richest colleges in the country, let them pay their own way!

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The OP, and the entire Dimocrat establishment, are on the side of the CCP.
They demonstrated it during Covid, and now they are doing it again.

 

[gipper]

The OP, and the entire Dimocrat establishment, are on the side of the CCP.
They demonstrated it during Covid, and now they are doing it again.

 

[22lcidw]

The world is worried about the human cost of a trade war launched and manipulated by an unstable, ignorant, and reckless American President.

China stood up to Trump right away, responded in kind. Trump changed his tarrif policies for China five times in one week.

And now that all but the Chinese tarrifs have been “suspended ‘for 90 days, the instability over what the clown Prince may do next is sowing doubt and uncertainly all over the world.

Progs did nothing. Trump is trying. The youth are going to suffer as they get older. Perhaps some sacrificing now forestalls that. The intellectuals made the trade deals decades ago.

 

[leftwinger]

Progs did nothing. Trump is trying. The youth are going to suffer as they get older. Perhaps some sacrificing now forestalls that. The intellectuals made the trade deals decades ago.

Filthy dirty commee BoardSheatStain should be happy with Tariffs? They are always belly-aching about Evil white man companies not paying tax.
These tariff adjustments means more REVENUE for the DEEP STATE! They cry constantly TAX the RICH! Should be thrilled? But not because TDS.

Countries can reduce the price of goods sold to lower tariff cost?
Or, they can lower Tariffs on USA goods to even-steven and everybody wins!

Go USA (future). It will call come out in the wash.

 

[leftwinger]

It's federal funding for one of the richest colleges in the country, let them pay their own way!

Why are we funding any radical indoctrination brain-washing commee colleges with 95% Stain professors? Defund it all. Let them do it.

Move some Funding to trade schools only where real productive citizens are created.

 

[leftwinger]

The world is worried about the human cost of a trade war launched and manipulated by an unstable, ignorant, and reckless American President.

China stood up to Trump right away, responded in kind. Trump changed his tarrif policies for China five times in one week.

And now that all but the Chinese tarrifs have been “suspended ‘for 90 days, the instability over what the clown Prince may do next is sowing doubt and uncertainly all over the world.

And you have no links, no facts, just MSLSD storylines. And you have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. Asians do not like to "lose face". I know from overseas business. But they also don't like to go bankrupt, so they are looking it ALL over.

 

[drudge X]

Do leftists know that Chinese made planes cannot operate in just about all passenger airports around the world?

 

[georgephillip]

History shows the rise and fall of nations. We are cutting our own throat with China. We also have spies here, traitors, people compromised, and corruption that has given them a lot of our technologies. Plus, our defense budget needs to be increased to compensate, and we have a military/industrial complex as we see. The money wasted in all ways is immense.

Imho, history also shows all empires rise, expand, decline, and fall, and I believe that also contributes to how US elites want to frame the US competition with China.

While the US was wasting $trillions on wars of aggression on the opposite side of the planet, China was investing in expanding its influence relatively peacefully by preventing the rise of a financial elite economic class:

While the US provokes chaos, China promotes economic development - Geopolitical Economy Report

"And what China did was, from the very beginning, get rid of the landlord class.

"And, it never did have a financial class of special interests.

"And because China kept money as a public utility, money and credit in the central bank, it didn’t have the special interests that have prevented real democracy in the United States."

 

[georgephillip]

I would GUESS that the red chinese leadership, raised on tales of "THE UNFAIR TREATIES" and the OPIUM WARS, and based on their historical and racial... grievances with that, feel all the justification they need to be xenophobic.

Indeed, I have seen some intersting historical vids that make the argument that this is sort of baked into the historical character and nature of the chinese nation, and would have been part of the sitatuion even if the NATIONALISTS had won and China was a functioning and free republic.

The Chinese have good reasons to view western capitalists with suspicion, particularly in the absence of any western reparations for their "century of humiliation."

Britain’s century long Opium trafficking and China’s ‘Century of Humiliation’ (1839-1949) | MR Online

"In 1500, India and China were the world’s most advanced civilizations.

"Then came the Europeans.

"They eventually looted and wreaked havoc on both, just as they were to on the Americas and Africa.

"For India and China, Britain was the chief culprit, relying on state-sponsored drug-running backed by industrialized military power.

"The British Empire was the world’s largest producer and exporter of Opium—the main product of global trade after the gradual decline of the slave trade from Africa.

"Their 'civilization' brought the Century of Humiliation to China, which only ended with the popular revolution led by Mao Zedong.

"This historic trauma and the struggle to overcome it and re-establish their country is etched in the minds of the Chinese today."

 

[georgephillip]

Sounds like you should probably move there

Why bother moving

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/trump-insurrection-act-april-20-20269810.php

"On Jan. 20, Trump issued an executive order tasking the secretaries of the Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security to submit a joint report, within 90 days, recommending 'whether to invoke the Insurrection Act.'

"The deadline for that report is Sunday. (4/20/25)"

MAGA yet?

 

[Correll]

The OP, and the entire Dimocrat establishment, are on the side of the CCP.
They demonstrated it during Covid, and now they are doing it again.

And the voters can see that. This is wonderful.

 

[Correll]

The Chinese have good reasons to view western capitalists with suspicion, particularly in the absence of any western reparations for their "century of humiliation."

Britain’s century long Opium trafficking and China’s ‘Century of Humiliation’ (1839-1949) | MR Online

"In 1500, India and China were the world’s most advanced civilizations.

"Then came the Europeans.

"They eventually looted and wreaked havoc on both, just as they were to on the Americas and Africa.

"For India and China, Britain was the chief culprit, relying on state-sponsored drug-running backed by industrialized military power.

"The British Empire was the world’s largest producer and exporter of Opium—the main product of global trade after the gradual decline of the slave trade from Africa.

"Their 'civilization' brought the Century of Humiliation to China, which only ended with the popular revolution led by Mao Zedong.

"This historic trauma and the struggle to overcome it and re-establish their country is etched in the minds of the Chinese today."

Exactly. So trying to blame AMERICA or AMERICAN business for something that predates us by centuries is a bit unfair.


Regardless, they are hostile and predatory today. This will not go well for them. THey had a very, very good and long run of a money fountain from our failed FREE TRADE policy and they should have done what they could to build a first world nation, at least partially with it.


From what I hear, they mostly spent it politically, which is not going to help when the money stops.