Cheaters Never Prosper

[Ninja]

 

[Bluto]

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How would we know if NO cheaters prosper?

If they are caught, then I can agree.

But it MAY be possible that some "winners" have cheated, but since they haven't been caught we don't know them as cheaters....

 

[BrianH]

so what is our definition of prosper? Because if prospering means making millions, then Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, and a score of other professional athletes have definately prospered by cheating.

 

[Bluto]

so what is our definition of prosper? Because if prospering means making millions, then Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, and a score of other professional athletes have definately prospered by cheating.

Just being cynical about blanket statements [Cheaters NEVER prosper]...!

And also about our abilities to "sniff out" cheaters.

 

[BrianH]

yeah I enjoy that too...like "the class is have empty". "Or the glass is half full"

In my opinion, if your fill up an empty glass half-way, then it's half-full. If you empty half of a full glass, then you've got a glass that's half-empty.

lol

 

[Gunny]

so what is our definition of prosper? Because if prospering means making millions, then Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, and a score of other professional athletes have definately prospered by cheating.

You would be incorrect. Mark McGwire took androstenedione when it was LEGAL and you could buy it at GNC. That means it was categorized as a sports supplement available to all, just as whatever is on the shelf today is.

By your reasoning, anyone taking a One-A-Day is cheating over those who don't.

The ignorance than permeates this topic astounds me. A little reading is all that is required.

 

[USViking]

You would be incorrect. Mark McGwire took androstenedione when it was LEGAL and you could buy it at GNC. That means it was categorized as a sports supplement available to all, just as whatever is on the shelf today is.

By your reasoning, anyone taking a One-A-Day is cheating over those who don't.

The ignorance than permeates this topic astounds me. A little reading is all that is required.

McGuire took the 5th before Congress which is
as good as an admission as far as I am concerned.

His excuse was that no one would believe him if
he denied it.

 

[Gunny]

McGuire took the 5th before Congress which is
as good as an admission as far as I am concerned.

His excuse was that no one would believe him if
he denied it.

And in light of the facts, I don't blame him. Look at this thread. Look at your post.

I know how he feels. I've been accused of taking them. Mostly by lazy fucks who won't get off their asses and push a little iron and put a few miles on their running shoes and nothing I can say will change their minds. People such as yourself can't accept the fact that there ARE those who just bust their ass for what they have.

I read and say what McGwire had to say when this first became an issue. He admitted to taking androstenedione and nothing more. Again, at the time, before Big Brother decided to dictate, it was completely legal and sold as supplements in GNC and Great Earth.

I used to drive around with a beer in my hand in Florida when it was legal. Should I be convicted under current laws for what I did back then when it was legal?

I think not.

The whole problem here besides vast ignorance is attempting to convict people for what they did then by today's rules.

Hell, blame his parents. Blame society. After all, who REALLY convinces all us males that winning is everything, no matter the price?

 

[BrianH]

Fair enough Gunny,

I may have misunderstood the video I watched of Mark McGuire crying in admission of taking human-growth hormones. (Not being sarcastic)--They kind of crammed it in their when talking about steroids. Maybe I should have read more on exactly what human-growth hormone.

Personally, I don't believe that they should be allowed to take anything that the other players that set the records were allowed to take. I know times are different, but if you're going to beat a record, it needs to be fair.

 

[USViking]

And in light of the facts, I don't blame him. Look at this thread. Look at your post.

What about this thread and my post?

The only reason to plead the 5th is to avoid
self-incrimination. Doing so certainly isn't going
to make anyone more likely to believe he is
innocent, if that is such a great concern of his.

I know how he feels. I've been accused of taking them.

No you don't know how he feels since you are
local yokel piker in a local yokel gym and not a
record-breaking world famous professional athlete.

Mostly by lazy fucks who won't get off their asses and push a little iron and put a few miles on their running shoes

Other people's habits are irelevant. Either their
accusations are fair or their accusations are
unfair, and their max has nothing to do with it.

and nothing I can say will change their minds.

You poor guy.

People such as yourself can't accept the fact that there ARE those who just bust their ass for what they have.

I can accept it.

BTW I once bench pressed 300 and ran 10 miles on
the same day (age approx. 35) I guess because I am
such a transparently innocent type I never had the
problems you are having with all the mean people who
are making life so difficult for you.

By the way, HAVE you ever taken anabolic steroids?

Yes or No.

I read and say what McGwire had to say when this first became an issue. He admitted to taking androstenedione and nothing more.

Well duh.

That is all he has ever admitted. It is all he will ever admit.

Again, at the time, before Big Brother decided to dictate, it was completely legal and sold as supplements in GNC and Great Earth.

And you were probably swallowing them like candy just
like McGwire was, huh?

Sometimes Big Brother actually gets it right, and this is
one of those times. The playing field will never be level
with some people doping up and other people not doping up.

You got any problem with a level field?

If you want performance enhancing drugs be content with
vitamin pills.

Of course you probably don't care about fairness, do you?
Hey, whatever it takes to win.

I used to drive around with a beer in my hand in Florida when it was legal. Should I be convicted under current laws for what I did back then when it was legal?

I think not.

If you at any time lie about it under oath you may convicted
under current law.

The whole problem here besides vast ignorance is attempting to convict people for what they did then by today's rules.

No, this is not the problem. Anabolic steroids were illegal
for the duration of McGwire's career, and that is what
he took the 5th over.

Hell, blame his parents. Blame society.

Sounds like you would be right at home in a Sociology 101
class at a very liberal university.

After all, who REALLY convinces all us males that winning is everything, no matter the price?

I think douchebag jerkweasel cheating bastard muthafukkas
such as McGwire are usually self-created.

They aren't all male, either- you ever heard of Marion Jones?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What about this thread and my post?

The only reason to plead the 5th is to avoid
self-incrimination. Doing so certainly isn't going
to make anyone more likely to believe he is
innocent, if that is such a great concern of his.





No you don't know how he feels since you are
local yokel piker in a local yokel gym and not a
record-breaking world famous professional athlete.





Other people's habits are irelevant. Either their
accusations are fair or their accusations are
unfair, and their max has nothing to do with it.





You poor guy.





I can accept it.

BTW I once bench pressed 300 and ran 10 miles on
the same day (age approx. 35) I guess because I am
such a transparently innocent type I never had the
problems you are having with all the mean people who
are making life so difficult for you.

By the way, HAVE you ever taken anabolic steroids?

Yes or No.





Well duh.

That is all he has ever admitted. It is all he will ever admit.





And you were probably swallowing them like candy just
like McGwire was, huh?

Sometimes Big Brother actually gets it right, and this is
one of those times. The playing field will never be level
with some people doping up and other people not doping up.

You got any problem with a level field?

If you want performance enhancing drugs be content with
vitamin pills.

Of course you probably don't care about fairness, do you?
Hey, whatever it takes to win.





If you at any time lie about it under oath you may convicted
under current law.





No, this is not the problem. Anabolic steroids were illegal
for the duration of McGwire's career, and that is what
he took the 5th over.





Sounds like you would be right at home in a Sociology 101
class at a very liberal university.





I think douchebag jerkweasel cheating bastard muthafukkas
such as McGwire are usually self-created.

They aren't all male, either- you ever heard of Marion Jones?

Your assumption that the 5th is ONLY about self incrimination is the biggest problem of all. Libby should have taken the 5th, not because he did anything wrong but because over 2 years a prosecutor used his words to create a false impression he lied. Illegally I might add, since it is in fact illegal to run an investigation for the sole purpose of getting a perjury charge. And the reason is of course Libby. Over a long enough period of time anyone can be painted into having supposedly lied.

Further Congress has NO Business in Sports at all. None, not the smallest of the small. I wouldn't tell a biased Congressional investigation, panel, circus, a damn thing. All that will happen is what ever you say will be twisted to suit the politicians on the panel. Truth and incriminating testimony have NOTHING to do with it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

yeah i was so gld to see Belecheck lose.