"Baby It's Cold Outside"... A charming tune about chivalry and male/female dynamics, and how feminism hates it

[Mr. Friscus]

It’s not date rape-y, but calling the man in the song “chivalrous” is pretty ridiculous as well.

Let’s not sugarcoat it. He’s trying to fuck her. Call it “wooing if you want. She’s hesitant because she’s worried that her family will be suspicious. (“My brother will be waiting at the door”, “My spinster aunt’s mind is vicious”)

No, the “say, what’s in this drink” line doesn’t mean he roofied her, but he’s clearly trying to get her tipsy.

He’s trying to get her to stay so he can bed her, not because “it’s cold outside”. That’s what the song is about, a man trying to get in a woman’s pants. The song is coy about it, but he’s obviously not wanting her to stay just so they can snuggle by the fire drinking hot totties.

He’s just doing what almost every guy In history has done in one form or another. Not rape-y, but certainly not chivalrous.

I think you’re contradicting yourself a tad… chivalry involves the obvious desire of men to bed women they find attractive. You seem to be saying chivalry doesn’t involve that.. it does. It just usually involves courting them for relations/marriage, not just using them for sex.

I think you’re assigning modern transactional “tinder” sex norms to a time where such cynicism shouldn’t be assumed. It’s entirely possible this man wanted to bed her not to simply use her and kick her to the curb, but to attract someone he loves, seal her love, start a family, marriage, and have children… all wonderful things (unless you’re an angry 3rd wave feminist)

Todays raunchy, Neanderthal pop music makes the intentions clear to only lust, and use someone for only sex. Baby it’s cold outside does none of the sort

 

[braalian]

Todays raunchy, Neanderthal pop music makes it the intentions clear to use someone for sex and only sex. Baby it’s cold outside does none of the sort

Again, it’s just sugarcoating. He’s horny, she’s hesitant because she’s concerned for her reputation. He’s trying every trick to get her to do it. It’s the oldest story in the world.

it amuses me that you think prettying up the scenario with euphemisms like “wooing” or “courtship” changes what is happening in the song.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Again, it’s just sugarcoating. He’s horny, she’s hesitant because she’s concerned for her reputation. He’s trying every trick to get her to do it. It’s the oldest story in the world.

it amuses me that you think prettying up the scenario with euphemisms like “wooing” or “courtship” changes what is happening in the song.

I don’t get why you’re trying to separate the concept of wooing and courting from trying to get women in bed. It’s all involved.

 

[marvin martian]

Again, it’s just sugarcoating. He’s horny, she’s hesitant because she’s concerned for her reputation. He’s trying every trick to get her to do it. It’s the oldest story in the world.

it amuses me that you think prettying up the scenario with euphemisms like “wooing” or “courtship” changes what is happening in the song.

^^^Look how the left recoils from normal, heterosexual relationships. Very telling...

 

[braalian]

^^^Look how the left recoils from normal, heterosexual relationships. Very telling...

Who said I’m recoiling?

I’m just saying pretending the song is about a nice man trying to “court” a nice girl so they can get married and have kids and live in 1950s suburban bliss is bullshit

He’s trying to fuck her. Been there, done that

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Who said I’m recoiling?

I’m just saying pretending the song is about a nice man trying to “court” a nice girl so they can get married and have kids and live in 1950s suburban bliss is bullshit

He’s trying to fuck her. Been there, done that

If I didn’t know better, I’d say you’re projecting

 

[marvin martian]

Who said I’m recoiling?

I’m just saying pretending the song is about a nice man trying to “court” a nice girl so they can get married and have kids and live in 1950s suburban bliss is bullshit

He’s trying to fuck her. Been there, done that

A man and a woman getting married, having sex, procreating, and living as husband and wife is the norm among our species. The sooner you accept this, the better off you'll be.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

A man and a woman getting married, having sex, procreating, and living as husband and wife is the norm among our species. The sooner you accept this, the better off you'll be.

Like you, I sense the obvious assumption of some negative, dismissive, “toxic” intent from the man in this story from the poster we’ve been replying to.

Angry 3rd wave feminism has sadly been pretty successful.

 

[lafayette]

^^^Look how the left recoils from normal, heterosexual relationships. Very telling...

Is date rape "normal, heterosexual relationships"?

 

[TimFitz]

It's a political topic

It is?

Never thought about it that way.

I have always found the lyrics a bit misogynistic (wolfish).

But that was not uncommon in the lyrics of songs in the 1940’s. So, I never gave it much thought.

I’m not sore if I prefer the Margret Whiting/Johnny Mercer version or the Dinah Shore/Buddy Clark version best. The modern ones pale by comparison.

The tune was written by Frank Loesser (Pal Joey) for his wife. They used it at Christmas parties to clear the room.

 

[The Irish Ram]

It's just an innocent little song. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

[TimFitz]

Is date rape "normal, heterosexual relationships"?

Well, no. But it’s natural for guys to want to get in girl’s pants.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I have always found the lyrics a bit misogynistic (wolfish).

How?

 

[TimFitz]

And, in any event, if the feminists are campaigning to get this song canceled they’re doing a spectacularly bad job at it.

I hear it on the radio constantly, as well as overhead at the supermarket. Its as ubiquitous as Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer.

If anyone’s overreacting, it’s you.

They are? Show us.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Is date rape "normal, heterosexual relationships"?

The song isn’t about that.. clearly

 

[The Irish Ram]

Is date rape "normal, heterosexual relationships"?

Ridiculous. No where does the song imply sexual assault. Where do the lyrics say, "Baby it's cold outside, get drunk so I can ride your hide." It is simply an innocuous song about a boy attracted to a girl.
Save your umbrage for rap...

 

[lafayette]

The song isn’t about that.. clearly

Thank you for acknowledging that fact.

 

[lafayette]

Ridiculous. No where does the song imply sexual assault. Where do the lyrics say, "Baby it's cold outside, get drunk so I can ride your hide." It is simply an innocuous song about a boy attracted to a girl.
Save your umbrage for rap...

^^^^ Why so defensive?

 

[braalian]

It's just an innocent little song. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Depends on what you consider innocent.

I don’t think a man trying to have sex with a woman is anything outrageous. Perfectly normal behavior.

But he is trying to get laid, and she’s hesitant. Clearly. It’s wrapped up in a few layers of 1950s euphemisms, but that’s what the songs about. No big deal, but there it is

 

[TimFitz]

How?

I already addressed that. It isn’t important.

The only thing I find remarkable at all is that this song has been added to the Christmas song repertoire.

it never was befor recently.

Indeed, Frank Loesser sold the tune to MGM for use in an Ester Williams picture.