Zone1 Catholic Church's Position Against the Death Penalty

[Arlette]

That's the coverup of the abuse, not the reason.

It is the reason it went on for as long as it did. Deal with it.

 

[Meriweather]

Not sure if holding someone in perpetuity in a place where violence and gang rape is 24/7 is more humane than the death penalty, in addition to taxpayer expense and the risk of a Soros appointed Left-wing judge letting them out of prison to kill again.

Good points. Can these offenders be rehabilitated to the point where they can form a rehabilitated community, working cooperatively with one another to absolve and recreate themselves? To me, it seems unlikely...pie-in-the-sky...but this is what the Catholic Church envisions happening. I haven't seen the need for individual confinement, or gang rape issues, etc, being addressed. When all this is considered, I can't help but wonder if the more human option isn't death. People who actually work with these people need to asked.

 

[Meriweather]

Some people are irredeemable from a society standpoint. They can find God if they want before their execution. If they truly repent their soul may be saved. That is for God to decide upon their judgement.


The church is about saving souls.

Yes.

 

[martybegan]

It is the reason it went on for as long as it did. Deal with it.

That is accurate. And now they have made changes.

Now it's the left not just covering things up, but trying to normalize it.

 

[Meriweather]

The Catholic church also says they oppose abortion while preaching about the evils of building walls and climate change instead.

I don't think the left wing Pope actually believes abortion is murder, or if he does, is OK with mass infanticide around the world.

I haven't been happy with Pope Francis' entrance into the political arena. He hasn't a clue about what is happening at the border or how "climate change" is being used to bilk taxpayers out of millions without doing a thing. Government cannot effect climate. I'd be much happier if I saw government cleaning up the ocean and other natural areas. "Climate Change" is merely a mechanism to pick the pockets of taxpayers and for that money to land in their own pockets. We need earth cleanup. Government can help with that.

As far as borders: Pope Francis should be warned that his position on open borders is going to be perceived as the Catholic Church supporting illegal drugs being moved into other countries--not to mention support of rape and child trafficking. There is also the issue of him being accused of encouraging gangs to invade and take over other countries.

Catholics are called to welcome those who enter their countries legally, and not to ignore or even ostracize them, but to help them adapt to their new lives. Gangs, rapers, child-traffickers, illegal immigrants he should be calling to repentance, not encouraging them to move forward in their sins.

 

[Arlette]

That is accurate. And now they have made changes.

Now it's the left not just covering things up, but trying to normalize it.

The Church didn't "make changes". They were forced to make changes.

 

[Meriweather]

The Church didn't "make changes". They were forced to make changes.

Wrong. The Catholic Church is made up of people. We wanted to make changes, we worked to make changes.

 

[Arlette]

Wrong. The Catholic Church is made up of people. We wanted to make changes, we worked to make changes.

It got too expensive. So they changed.

 

[Meriweather]

It got too expensive. So they changed.

I cannot speak for every single Catholic diocese. I was in a couple at the time, and both were on top of it immediately, with parishes churches following the lead.

 

[martybegan]

The Church didn't "make changes". They were forced to make changes.

They made changes.

Now the left wants to Normalize this stuff by using the same name change games seen in the trans nuttery.

"Minor Attracted Person"

 

[Arlette]

They made changes.

Now the left wants to Normalize this stuff by using the same name change games seen in the trans nuttery.

"Minor Attracted Person"

They were forced to make changes after the Boston Globe published their investigation in 2002.

 

[martybegan]

They were forced to make changes after the Boston Globe published their investigation in 2002.

And several other lawsuits and actions across the globe.

You aren't giving me any information I don't already know.

 

[Arlette]

And several other lawsuits and actions across the globe.

You aren't giving me any information I don't already know.

My point is the Catholic Church didn't make changes because it was the right thing to do but because it was their only option after being exposed.

 

[martybegan]

My point is the Catholic Church didn't make changes because it was the right thing to do but because it was their only option after being exposed.

It doesn't have to be either or.

Meanwhile the left is trying to normalize said behavior.

You keep ducking that point over and over. Why is that?

 

[Arlette]

It doesn't have to be either or.

Meanwhile the left is trying to normalize said behavior.

You keep ducking that point over and over. Why is that?

Now you're lying.

 

[martybegan]

Now you're lying.

No, you are not replying.

What about the left's attempts at normalization via the whole "minor attracted person" thing?

 

[ding]

Agree or disagree?

Agree. Hard labor I say.

 

[ding]

Well thank gawd kiddie fu*&ing is fine.

You're gonna have to stand in line behind the JW's, LDS and Protestants.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Catholic Church is consistent on this issue, No Death Penalty, No Abortion, and of course no murder.

They are not the same. That's the pro aborts "prolife" view

 

[irosie91]

The Church's argument against the death penalty is that prisons are now strong enough to prevent prison escapes, and therefore society is protected against vicious killers. Vicious/serial killers are still human and deserving of respect due all humans. They should be given the opportunity to rebuild themselves and rehabilitate their character. Isn't the point of prison rehabilitation?

when did this opinion get in "the canon" of the Catholic Church?
Prison as rehabilitation is USA canon (officially)