Zone1 The Catholic and Morman church both oppose adoptees getting their original birth certificates

[ding]

I agree your opinions are poor but I have no idea what your point is

That you are bigoted and dishonest.

 

[Hafar1014]

That you are bigoted and dishonest.

THats not a point thats just your lack of tolerance and small mind but nobody is perfect

 

[ding]

THats not a point thats just your lack of tolerance and small mind but nobody is perfect

No. It’s my observation about you from reading your posts. If I felt like you do about Christians I wouldn’t be such a ***** about it and pretend I wasn’t doing it.

For instance, let’s say you are a militant atheist. I wouldn’t beat around the bush. I’d tell you that you are a despicable low down worth nothing scum bag and the world will be better off after you die.

 

[Hafar1014]

That you should have said Catholic organizations instead of the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is behind the Catholic Conference and the Catholic Church was the main force opposing adoptees getting their birth certificates and they signed the UN Treaty of the Child
Key Articles Regarding Cultural & Ethnic Identity
The UNCRC includes several specific articles that safeguard a child's connection to their background:

• Article 8 (Preservation of Identity): State parties must respect the right of the child to preserve their identity, including nationality, name, and family relations.
• Article 29 (Goals of Education): Education should be directed to the development of respect for the child’s parents, their own cultural identity, language, and values, as well as the national values of the country they live in.
• Article 30 (Children of Minorities): This is the most direct article. It states that children from ethnic, religious, or linguistic minorities have the right to enjoy their own culture, practice their own religion, and use their own language.

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[Hafar1014]

No. It’s my observation about you from reading your posts. If I felt like you do about Christians I wouldn’t be such a ***** about it and pretend I wasn’t doing it.

For instance, let’s say you are a militant atheist. I wouldn’t beat around the bush. I’d tell you that you are a despicable low down worth nothing scum bag and the world will be better off after you die.

Im not an atheist. You should be more Christian in your attutude

 

[Meriweather]

The Catholic Church is behind the Catholic Conference and the Catholic Church was the main force opposing adoptees getting their birth certificates and they signed the UN Treaty of the Child
Key Articles Regarding Cultural & Ethnic Identity
The UNCRC includes several specific articles that safeguard a child's connection to their background:

• Article 8 (Preservation of Identity): State parties must respect the right of the child to preserve their identity, including nationality, name, and family relations.
• Article 29 (Goals of Education): Education should be directed to the development of respect for the child’s parents, their own cultural identity, language, and values, as well as the national values of the country they live in.
• Article 30 (Children of Minorities): This is the most direct article. It states that children from ethnic, religious, or linguistic minorities have the right to enjoy their own culture, practice their own religion, and use their own language.

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What is wrong with the birth parents making this decision?

 

[Hafar1014]

What is wrong with the birth parents making this decision?

The right belongs to the child not the parents

 

[Meriweather]

The right belongs to the child not the parents

In Post #20, you seemed to be presenting the case where "rights" are not involved, but "competing interests". Here you seem to be advocating that the child's competing interests trump any competing parental interest.

 

[ding]

The Catholic Church is behind the Catholic Conference and the Catholic Church was the main force opposing adoptees getting their birth certificates and they signed the UN Treaty of the Child
Key Articles Regarding Cultural & Ethnic Identity
The UNCRC includes several specific articles that safeguard a child's connection to their background:

• Article 8 (Preservation of Identity): State parties must respect the right of the child to preserve their identity, including nationality, name, and family relations.
• Article 29 (Goals of Education): Education should be directed to the development of respect for the child’s parents, their own cultural identity, language, and values, as well as the national values of the country they live in.
• Article 30 (Children of Minorities): This is the most direct article. It states that children from ethnic, religious, or linguistic minorities have the right to enjoy their own culture, practice their own religion, and use their own language.

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Incorrect. The UNCRC is not the HRCC. You are proving my point about you.

 

[ding]

Im not an atheist. You should be more Christian in your attutude

I don't believe you.

 

[Unkotare]

What are the actual parents' rights as to what can be told to a child they detested so much, they got rid of it?

You're thinking of abortion, not adoption.

 

[ding]

The right belongs to the child not the parents

I disagree. There is no right to know. There is a right for privacy. Or would you rather mothers abort their children instead of putting them up for adoption? Which ironically they would have the right of privacy in keeping the abortion private.

 

[Hafar1014]

I disagree. There is no right to know. There is a right for privacy. Or would you rather mothers abort their children instead of putting them up for adoption? Which ironically they would have the right of privacy in keeping the abortion private.

The courts disagree with you
The Oregon Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court ruled there is no right to privacy for the birth mother in adoption. There is no law in any state granting this right. Pew research found that mothers who choose adoption never consider an abortion. Adoption has no effect on abortion. The ruling was appealed to the SC who upheld the ruling. Further the UN Treaty of the child enforces every childs right to know their ethnic history. We have ratified that treaty. States that allow adoptees yo obtain their birth certificates have not experienced any problems. Bringing mother and child together has enormous healing power for them both. I have reunited more than 25 families successfully

JANE DOES 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7,

Appellants,

v.

THE STATE OF OREGON; JOHN A.
KITZHABER, Governor of Oregon;
and EDWARD JOHNSON, State
Registrar of the Center for Health
Statistics in Oregon,
Neither a birth nor an adoption may be carried out in the absolute cloak of secrecy that may surround a contraception or the early termination of a pregnancy. A birth is an event that requires the generation of an accurate vital record that preserves certain data, including the name of the birth mother. That the state has a legitimate interest in preserving such data is not disputed here. We recognize that a birth mother may well have a legitimate interest in keeping secret the circumstances of a birth that is followed by an adoption and also that an adoptee may have a legitimate interest in discovering the identity of his or her birth mother. Legitimate interests, however, do not necessarily equate with fundamental rights. The state may make policy choices to accommodate such competing interests, just as the state has done with the passage of Measure 58. We conclude that the state legitimately may choose to disseminate such data to the child whose birth is recorded on such a birth certificate without infringing on any fundamental right to privacy of the birth mother who does not desire contact with the child.

 

[Meriweather]

The courts disagree with you
The Oregon Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court ruled there is no right to privacy for the birth mother in adoption. There is no law in any state granting this right. Pew research found that mothers who choose adoption never consider an abortion. Adoption has no effect on abortion. The ruling was appealed to the SC who upheld the ruling. Further the UN Treaty of the child enforces every childs right to know their ethnic history. We have ratified that treaty. States that allow adoptees yo obtain their birth certificates have not experienced any problems. Bringing mother and child together has enormous healing power for them both. I have reunited more than 25 families successfully

Obtaining a birth certificate does not give anyone the right to force birth parents to meet the child. If a child requests a meeting and the parents say no, that should be (if need be) enforced as well. Parents do retain that much right to their privacy.

On the other hand, how do you feel about birth parents popping in to meet up with their child (outside of open adoption) and keeping tabs on the adoptive family activities during the adopted child's childhood?

 

[Hafar1014]

Obtaining a birth certificate does not give anyone the right to force birth parents to meet the child. If a child requests a meeting and the parents say no, that should be (if need be) enforced as well. Parents do retain that much right to their privacy.

On the other hand, how do you feel about birth parents popping in to meet up with their child (outside of open adoption) and keeping tabs on the adoptive family activities during the adopted child's childhood?

I have mediated many reunions and they have all been successful. Dont confuse secrecy with privacy. Every adoptee and birth mother has the right to reach out to each other. After that privacy then can be applied.
No one should pop in. Its best to use a mediator to start contact. I developed protocols for contact that have worked well. I have represented both the child and the mother. Adoption exists because there are problems with the mother so its never going to be easy. I have found mothers who were mentally ill, addicted, or had criminal records. When done properly healing and or closure will occur for both.
The ;law involves an adoptee obtaining the original birth certificate thats all. What happens after that is legal. Everyone has the right to contact anyone they choose.
There is also the issue of medical history.

 

[DennisPTate]

There is no right of confidentiality or privacy in adoption. The Surpreme Court of Oregon ruled there is no right of privacy and it was upheld by the US Supreme Court. Adoption has no effect on abortion.
The Catholic Church is covering up nuns who get pregnant by priests and have their baby adopted

No right of confidentiality could sure make the womb a safer place for the unborn.