Catholic Bishops Oppose Compromise on Birth-Control

[Luissa]

I veiw Obama as the biggest terrorist threat to America. His attacks on the American way of life is constant and more long term damaging than blowing up buildings.

If attacking people who openly discriminate against women is attacking the American way of life, then good for him.

Notice other than California Girl, it is all men in here defending these Bishops?

Well, with your powers of observation, you should also note not a single man suggested birth control be withhheld from women. We just think that a church organization should have the right to make you pay for your play.

I will pay for my birth control when you pay for your viagra, penile implants, and penis pumps. When they stop covering all those, I will be more than happy to pay for it.
Your powers of observations might help you realize that is only fair.
You pay to get hard, I will pay for my birth control if I have to use it in an elective manner. If I actually have to use it for health reasons, like anemia or hormonal imbalances I would hope the church would get the head out of their asses and cover it, you know since I would be paying premium to have my health care costs covered.

 

[SFC Ollie]

]This is not about abortion!!!!!!!!

You mean you don't want it to be about abortion.

The bishops also said that they were unlikely to be satisfied by changes that affected only religious employers, since they still had "grave" objections to the overall mandate, which includes the morning-after pill and sterilization.

Catholic Bishops Oppose Obama Compromise on Birth-Control Insurance - WSJ.com

This thread is about birth control. Why do you keep trying to make it about abortion?
And no one is talking about forcing them to fund abortion.

Yet.

 

[saveliberty]

If attacking people who openly discriminate against women is attacking the American way of life, then good for him.

Notice other than California Girl, it is all men in here defending these Bishops?

Well, with your powers of observation, you should also note not a single man suggested birth control be withhheld from women. We just think that a church organization should have the right to make you pay for your play.

I will pay for my birth control when you pay for your viagra, penile implants, and penis pumps. When they stop covering all those, I will be more than happy to pay for it.
Your powers of observations might help you realize that is only fair.
You pay to get hard, I will pay for my birth control if I have to use it in an elective manner. If I actually have to use it for health reasons, like anemia or hormonal imbalances I would hope the church would get the head out of their asses and cover it, you know since I would be paying premium to have my health care costs covered.

If I was a Catholic and they didn't cover those things, I'd except it as an employee or find work elsewhere to cover it. The church is proreproduction. Their message is consistent.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

]This is not about abortion!!!!!!!!

You mean you don't want it to be about abortion.

The bishops also said that they were unlikely to be satisfied by changes that affected only religious employers, since they still had "grave" objections to the overall mandate, which includes the morning-after pill and sterilization.

Catholic Bishops Oppose Obama Compromise on Birth-Control Insurance - WSJ.com

This thread is about birth control. Why do you keep trying to make it about abortion?
And no one is talking about forcing them to fund abortion.

birth control can also mean controlling births by aborting the baby such as with "contraceptives" called abortifacients....the "morning after" pill...

BO is a true pro-death leftie.....gung-ho for abortion at all stages....including partial-birth abortion and infanticide....

Barack Obama on Abortion

 

[NYcarbineer]

The fact that you do not understand English is not indicative of anything to do with me.

Apparently you don't understand the words 'Catholic', 'hospital', and 'profitable'.

oh, and btw, who cares? Being a non-profit doesn't exempt you from complying with labor and business laws. What retard told you that?

Let me see if I can explain this to you in small words. Non profit does not mean that you cannot make a profit, it means the profit is not paid to the owners or stockholders of the corporation. That means the church, even though it owns the hospital, does not make money off of it.

Only three words over two syllables, I hope that does not strain you too much.

Another major difference between a profit and nonprofit business deals with the treatment of the profits. With a for-profit business, the owners and shareholders generally receive the profits. With a nonprofit, any money that's left after the organization has paid its bills is put back into the organization. Some types of nonprofits can receive contributions that are tax deductible to the individual who contributes to the organization. Keep in mind that nonprofits are organized to provide some benefit to the public.

Nonprofit Corporation Definition | Small Business Encyclopedia | Entrepreneur.com

There is more at the link.

Oh, and by the way, the Supreme Court says that being a non profit religious affiliated institution does, in some cases, exempt you from labor laws.

If a hospital the Church owns makes a profit, the Church made a profit.

Your denial is an embarassment at this point.

 

[Inthemiddle]

You mean you don't want it to be about abortion.

No, I mean IT'S NOT about abortion. It's about birth control. What kind of idiot do you have to be to equate abortion and birth control?

The bishops also said that they were unlikely to be satisfied by changes that affected only religious employers, since they still had "grave" objections to the overall mandate, which includes the morning-after pill and sterilization.

Which just goes to show what I've said all along. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about the Catholic church wanting to their ideology to everyone else.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You mean you don't want it to be about abortion.

No, I mean IT'S NOT about abortion. It's about birth control. What kind of idiot do you have to be to equate abortion and birth control?

The bishops also said that they were unlikely to be satisfied by changes that affected only religious employers, since they still had "grave" objections to the overall mandate, which includes the morning-after pill and sterilization.

Which just goes to show what I've said all along. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about the Catholic church wanting to their ideology to everyone else.

OF COURSE they're going to equate birth control with abortion.

Remember the Personhood Act? Remember...........to these loons, life begins at conception.

And no.........it's not a "human" until it develops a nervous system and a brain. After all, isn't our intellect and creativity what separates us from the animals?

 

[Intense]

You mean you don't want it to be about abortion.

No, I mean IT'S NOT about abortion. It's about birth control. What kind of idiot do you have to be to equate abortion and birth control?

The bishops also said that they were unlikely to be satisfied by changes that affected only religious employers, since they still had "grave" objections to the overall mandate, which includes the morning-after pill and sterilization.

Which just goes to show what I've said all along. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about the Catholic church wanting to their ideology to everyone else.

**** You Reject. Your only issue here is that you cannot get away with outright abortion because you lose in the polls. **** You Asshole. You want to take it one phase at as time to desensitize before you take it to the next level. Did I say **** You Maggot. I just don't want to leave anything out here. What is the Morning After Pill Jackass. What the **** do you think Sterilization is you Piece of Shit. There is nothing deliberate in your game plan. If You could force the Church to pay for abortions you would. It's the next step Hack. **** You. When Finished, Repeat.

Be Honest, run the Truth in Your Campaign and see the effect of it in your support.

eu·gen·ics
   [yoo-jen-iks] Show IPA
noun ( used with a singular verb )
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

Eugenics | Define Eugenics at Dictionary.com

It's not about abortion, yeah right, at least until you can dupe enough dependent Robots. **** You, Asshole.

 

[Intense]

You mean you don't want it to be about abortion.

No, I mean IT'S NOT about abortion. It's about birth control. What kind of idiot do you have to be to equate abortion and birth control?

The bishops also said that they were unlikely to be satisfied by changes that affected only religious employers, since they still had "grave" objections to the overall mandate, which includes the morning-after pill and sterilization.

Which just goes to show what I've said all along. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about the Catholic church wanting to their ideology to everyone else.

OF COURSE they're going to equate birth control with abortion.

Remember the Personhood Act? Remember...........to these loons, life begins at conception.

And no.........it's not a "human" until it develops a nervous system and a brain. After all, isn't our intellect and creativity what separates us from the animals?

So I guess You are not human, then. Thanks for clearing that up. There's a Glory Hole with your name on it ABS. Why are you wasting time here?

 

[Luissa]

So what would you rather happen? Make it ilegal? Yeah cause that works well.

You mean you don't want it to be about abortion.

No, I mean IT'S NOT about abortion. It's about birth control. What kind of idiot do you have to be to equate abortion and birth control?

The bishops also said that they were unlikely to be satisfied by changes that affected only religious employers, since they still had "grave" objections to the overall mandate, which includes the morning-after pill and sterilization.

Which just goes to show what I've said all along. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about the Catholic church wanting to their ideology to everyone else.

**** You Reject. Your only issue here is that you cannot get away with outright abortion because you lose in the polls. **** You Asshole. You want to take it one phase at as time to desensitize before you take it to the next level. Did I say **** You Maggot. I just don't want to leave anything out here. What is the Morning After Pill Jackass. What the **** do you think Sterilization is you Piece of Shit. There is nothing deliberate in your game plan. If You could force the Church to pay for abortions you would. It's the next step Hack. **** You. When Finished, Repeat.

Be Honest, run the Truth in Your Campaign and see the effect of it in your support.

eu·gen·ics
   [yoo-jen-iks] Show IPA
noun ( used with a singular verb )
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

Eugenics | Define Eugenics at Dictionary.com

It's not about abortion, yeah right, at least until you can dupe enough dependent Robots. **** You, Asshole.

 

[Inthemiddle]

**** You Reject.

Yes, that's a convincing argument.

Your only issue here is that you cannot get away with outright abortion because you lose in the polls.

Why are you talking about abortion still? Are you delusional? This is about health insurance plans covering birth control. Get with the program.

**** You Asshole.

Another convincing argument.

You want to take it one phase at as time to desensitize before you take it to the next level.

Oh, so it's a great big conspiracy theory. Slippery slope arguments are fallacious, btw.

Did I say **** You Maggot.

Awww, you mad bro?

I just don't want to leave anything out here. What is the Morning After Pill Jackass.

It's a medication that can prevent pregnancy if taken within a certain time frame after unprotected sex. The mechanism of action is to disrupt the release of the ova from the ovary, so that the woman does not ovulate for at least 5 days after the sexual encounter. The 5 day period is important because that is the maximum amount of time that sperm can survive inside a woman's reproductive tract. Studies have shown that these drugs are not effective when the medication is taken after ovulation has occurred. Pregnancy rates remain uneffected for those situations when the morning after pill is taken after ovulation has occurred. In other words, the morning after pill only works to prevent fertilization, but has no effect after fertilization.

What the **** do you think Sterilization is you Piece of Shit.

You really think that a woman getting her tubes tied, or a guy getting his tubes snipped, amounts to an abortion? You really are delusional.

There is nothing deliberate in your game plan.

My game plan? Just what do you think my "game plan" is, and what "deliberate" things do you want from me?

If You could force the Church to pay for abortions you would.

Really? Is that what I would do? Thanks for letting me know.

It's the next step Hack.

Once again, your slippery slope arguments (accusations) are fallacious.

**** You. When Finished, Repeat.

The sad part is that this is probably the closest thing you have to a meaningful argument.

Be Honest, run the Truth in Your Campaign and see the effect of it in your support.

My campaign? What campaign?

eu·gen·ics
   [yoo-jen-iks] Show IPA
noun ( used with a singular verb )
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

What. The. ****. You really should seek professional help. You're deranged.

It's not about abortion, yeah right, at least until you can dupe enough dependent Robots. **** You, Asshole.

*facepalm*

 

[Jroc]

Look the bottom line is the federal government has no power to tell companies what they must sell, churches and business what they must provide and people what they must buy. If people what these things they can buy them what an interesting concept.

 

[teapartysamurai]

You lying libs spam the board with all this birth control bullshit. I'm going to spam the board with this question!

We get it. This is why Stephanopolus peppered Romney with the "can states ban birth control."

This is why Obama is trying to force free birth control on Catholic Hospitals and how to force insurance companies to pay for it.

You want to convince people with the fictitious fear that Republicans want to ban birth control.

So, here's the thing.

Give me ONE EXAMPLE of a Republican Gov, President, Congressman, etc, EVER banning birth control and you will have your argument.

Until then, this is all just BS fear mongering by a desperate president who can't run on his own record, because his own record SUCKS.

So, bring it. Give us the examples.

My guess is, there will stuipid quotes of Santorum from six years ago. There will be NO EXAMPLES OF Republicans trying to ban birth control. There will be total silence. OR there will be just the usual sputtering from outraged liberals because no one should ever dare pin them down on their total preposterous lies.

Bring it libs. I'm waiting. I know I won't get a straight answer.

PS, ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL. That's infanticide. There are plenty of methods of birth control that prevents conception.

You know why you libs have changed the subject to birth control. You have lost the argument on abortion. Most people are against it now.

You started the subject, so don't change it, because someone's pinned you down on it. BIRTH CONTROL. Give us the examples.

I'm waiting, but I won't hold my breathe.

 

[Intense]

So what would you rather happen? Make it ilegal? Yeah cause that works well.

No, I mean IT'S NOT about abortion. It's about birth control. What kind of idiot do you have to be to equate abortion and birth control?



Which just goes to show what I've said all along. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about the Catholic church wanting to their ideology to everyone else.

**** You Reject. Your only issue here is that you cannot get away with outright abortion because you lose in the polls. **** You Asshole. You want to take it one phase at as time to desensitize before you take it to the next level. Did I say **** You Maggot. I just don't want to leave anything out here. What is the Morning After Pill Jackass. What the **** do you think Sterilization is you Piece of Shit. There is nothing deliberate in your game plan. If You could force the Church to pay for abortions you would. It's the next step Hack. **** You. When Finished, Repeat.

Be Honest, run the Truth in Your Campaign and see the effect of it in your support.

eu·gen·ics
   [yoo-jen-iks] Show IPA
noun ( used with a singular verb )
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

Eugenics | Define Eugenics at Dictionary.com

It's not about abortion, yeah right, at least until you can dupe enough dependent Robots. **** You, Asshole.

I don't advocate making abortion Illegal at all. I advocate alternative options. It's the Mothers choice within reason Luissa, by that I mean that Even Rights are Regulated, in a Free Society, by the consent of the Super Majority. Abortion on Demand, is Genocide, legal or not.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Still waiting libs. Name the Republican who has ever banned birth control.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Look the bottom line is the federal government has no power to tell companies what they must sell, churches and business what they must provide and people what they must buy. If people what these things they can buy them what an interesting concept.

That's nonsense. Regulating interstate commerce is an enumerated power.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Still waiting libs. Name the Republican who has ever banned birth control.

How could 1 Republican ban birth control?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Look the bottom line is the federal government has no power to tell companies what they must sell, churches and business what they must provide and people what they must buy. If people what these things they can buy them what an interesting concept.

That's nonsense. Regulating interstate commerce is an enumerated power.

Interstate commerce is NOT a mandate on what people must sell, you moron!

Still waiting lying libs. Name the Republicans who have banned birth control.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Still waiting libs. Name the Republican who has ever banned birth control.

How could 1 Republican ban birth control?

You tell me. You idiots are the ones claiming Republicans want to ban birth control. Name the Republicans who have done so. Name ANY Republicans who have EVER Tried.

None of you lying libs will answer that because you know it's bogus. It's just a boogey man you libs made up to fear monger because you can't give us reasons to vote for Obama.

I reiterate the question. NAME THEM.

You can't because you know you are all full of crap.

 

[Intense]

**** You Reject.

Yes, that's a convincing argument.

Your only issue here is that you cannot get away with outright abortion because you lose in the polls.

Why are you talking about abortion still? Are you delusional? This is about health insurance plans covering birth control. Get with the program.



Another convincing argument.


Oh, so it's a great big conspiracy theory. Slippery slope arguments are fallacious, btw.



Awww, you mad bro?



It's a medication that can prevent pregnancy if taken within a certain time frame after unprotected sex. The mechanism of action is to disrupt the release of the ova from the ovary, so that the woman does not ovulate for at least 5 days after the sexual encounter. The 5 day period is important because that is the maximum amount of time that sperm can survive inside a woman's reproductive tract. Studies have shown that these drugs are not effective when the medication is taken after ovulation has occurred. Pregnancy rates remain uneffected for those situations when the morning after pill is taken after ovulation has occurred. In other words, the morning after pill only works to prevent fertilization, but has no effect after fertilization.



You really think that a woman getting her tubes tied, or a guy getting his tubes snipped, amounts to an abortion? You really are delusional.



My game plan? Just what do you think my "game plan" is, and what "deliberate" things do you want from me?



Really? Is that what I would do? Thanks for letting me know.



Once again, your slippery slope arguments (accusations) are fallacious.



The sad part is that this is probably the closest thing you have to a meaningful argument.



My campaign? What campaign?

eu·gen·ics
   [yoo-jen-iks] Show IPA
noun ( used with a singular verb )
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

What. The. ****. You really should seek professional help. You're deranged.

It's not about abortion, yeah right, at least until you can dupe enough dependent Robots. **** You, Asshole.

*facepalm*

Pencil Necks for convincing argument. Love it.

The program is not about what you are peddling, Boy. The program is about an agenda, that will, one step at a time, attempt to further your utopian plan which does include population control through brain washing the unsuspecting, through chemicals, drugs, abortion, and sterilization. Something I think all advocates should try on themselves first. Maybe it is you that need to open up your eyes to the program, Puppet.

It's not about what you claim just because you claim it. You project much, swinging at outside pitches. What Abortion, Sterilization, and Birth Control all have in common is Population control and design. Somethings are temporary, or reversible, Asshole, somethings are not, huh. I know it's complicated, especially for you, so, try harder.

Get with the Program Go **** Yourself, at least until you can find a willing partner, deranged Idiot.