"Career public servants": THE PARTY IS OVER

[initforme]

You are debating with a person who's not really into the work from home argument, either way - except for the fact that working from home has caused doom spirals in several major cities. Some times there are more variables involved than just "productivity". There can be collateral damage by working from home.

Could you please elaborate on exactly what this collateral damage is?

 

[Independent thinker]

If a person's productivity was higher at home than in an office, why would you choose to get lower productivity? I mean, really? is that what a good manager does? reduces staff productivity just "because"?

Besides productivity what else do you rely on to measure performance?

My productivity is higher at home, I have more productive hours, I am at my desk more than when I was in the office, I get interrupted far less, I achieve more in less time than I used to when I was in the office.

You need a pretty good reason to see all that and insist that the person still has to come in to the office, that's like ridiculous, why even measure people's performance if you don't care about it?

No wonder you're impressed with people like Musk !

I just answered your questions. Why would you choose to see whole entire cities go into doom spirals because people are working from home like happened during the pandemic? Why should a bunch of small businesses close to huge corporations go under because they no longer have customers because people are working from home instead? It not only hurts those businesses but it hurts the cities and it hurts the states. A lot of it has nothing to do with productivity.

 

[Independent thinker]

Could you please elaborate on exactly what this collateral damage is?

Read on.

 

[initforme]

I just answered your questions. Why would you choose to see whole entire cities go into doom spirals because people are working from home like happened during the pandemic? Why should a bunch of small businesses close to huge corporations go under because they no longer have customers because people are working from home instead? It not only hurts those businesses but it hurts the cities and it hurts the states. A lot of it has nothing to do with productivity.

Why are those businesses setting up near corporations?

 

[Independent thinker]

Why are those businesses setting up near corporations?

They were already there and were doing well and then the rug got pulled out from under them after the fact. And we're not just talking about those businesses. Several large cities have gone into doom spirals which hurts both the cities and the states.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I just answered your questions. Why would you choose to see whole entire cities go into doom spirals because people are working from home like happened during the pandemic?

We're not discussing the pandemic. I'm sure lots of things became problematic during the pandemic, using that to somehow prove that therefore working from his is always a bad idea even when there's no pandemic is a flawed argument.

Why should a bunch of small businesses close to huge corporations go under because they no longer have customers because people are working from home instead?

It's called capitalism, supply and demand. If you're running a business for the benefit of the sandwich store outside your office then go and work for the sandwich store. I'm sure a sandwich store owner gets very upset when other competing sandwich stores close

It not only hurts those businesses but it hurts the cities and it hurts the states. A lot of it has nothing to do with productivity.

So is your position that business should never be allowed to act in ways that negatively impact other businesses? That's a new one, I wonder if Bill Gates ever thought of that.

 

[Independent thinker]

We're not discussing the pandemic. I'm sure lots of things became problematic during the pandemic, using that to somehow prove that therefore working from his is always a bad idea even when there's no pandemic is a flawed argument.

It's called capitalism, supply and demand. If you're running a business for the benefit of the sandwich store outside your office then go and work for the sandwich store.

So is your position that business should never be allowed to act in ways that negatively impact other businesses?

The pandemic is the blueprint of what happens when everyone leaves the office and works from home instead. You're supposed to learn from history, not repeat it.

 

[Stryder50]

Government employees hace cushy jobs and very little responsibility.

Some do, some don't.
My son who works for Immigration, manages the work of about half a dozen people as well as his own. He's involved in the part of Immigration that does background checks and other vetting of LEGAL immigrants seeking citizenship.

 

[Stryder50]

When will they do it to soldiers in the military?

Already doing that.
It's know as Chain of Command(COC) and Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) in civilian talk.
The lower ranks report to their higher NCOs and Officers, then that is further on up the chain.

 

[Stryder50]

Additional info from anoother source;

Musk Says Federal Workers Must Report Weekly Accomplishments or Face Termination​

Elon Musk has announced a plan requiring all federal employees to submit a report on their on-the-job accomplishments last week or be deemed to have resigned.

Musk Says Federal Workers Must Report Weekly Accomplishments or Face Termination

Elon Musk has announced a plan requiring all federal employees to submit a report on their on-the-job accomplishments last week or be deemed to have resigned.

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[CrazyTrader55]

Does not add up.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The pandemic is the blueprint of what happens when everyone leaves the office and works from home instead. You're supposed to learn from history, not repeat it.

No, the pandemic is a blueprint for what happened when lots of people worked from home during that pandemic. You can't cite the pandemic as an example and then ignore the pandemic as a factor.

Lots of undesirable things happened during the pandemic, it was a huge challenge for every country.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Additional info from anoother source;

Musk Says Federal Workers Must Report Weekly Accomplishments or Face Termination​

Elon Musk has announced a plan requiring all federal employees to submit a report on their on-the-job accomplishments last week or be deemed to have resigned.

Musk Says Federal Workers Must Report Weekly Accomplishments or Face Termination

Elon Musk has announced a plan requiring all federal employees to submit a report on their on-the-job accomplishments last week or be deemed to have resigned.

www.theepochtimes.com

Insane, I setup a poll about this:

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/public-tension-between-musk-and-patel.1150131/

 

[CrazyTrader55]

Its a waste of time, what would you actually do with all these bullet lists? Any business process that generates information should also consume that information somewhere.

Why ask for "approx five"? If I did ten important things why can't I list all of them?

What if I did only one thing? Will I get penalized for listing only one thing?

If I did one thing but that itself was comprised of five other small interrelated things, how do I list that?

• Resolved the functional overlap with finance and accounting history calculation.

or

• Reviewed the spec with the accounts team
• Reviewed the spec with the finance team
• Simplified the QA testing scope to remove the old issues
• Identified which of the two overlapped code bases was in the best shape
• Generalized the interfaces so that external sources can be easily added

These are examples of how utterly stupid it is to pretend that this is managing people. Also a good manager knows what his team are doing if he gave them the work. Usually teams meet weekly and this stuff gets thrashed out and decisions made, no need for stupid little emails back and forth and all the confusion and so on.

If you think is good management then now wonder the Chinese are beating us at industry. I know some truly excellent managers, people who get big bonuses for managing their staff and resources well and I know that if they hired a manager that started acting like Musk, telling people to write silly little emails, they'd be out the door.

Party's over and you are defending the status quo and that's going to be tough fight for you. People have had it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Party's over and you are defending the status quo and that's going to be tough fight for you. People have had it.

Look folks, he avoided answering any of my questions - gotta love trumpanzees basically these dunces are just bitter and miserable old bastards, jealous that other people aren't as bitter as they are.

 

[initforme]

Office space can be vacated, money saved. People spend less money on gas, money saved. Less money spent on eating out, money saved. Seems like a no brainer for those jobs that can be done from home. Heck, my son just turned 55 and is retired. He works as many hours as he wishes from his house as he was recruited to do so. HE set the working conditions and pay. He is naking upwards of $75 per hour remotely for spending money. If there's ever any issue he will simply quit within the hour. Win win

 

[Independent thinker]

No, the pandemic is a blueprint for what happened when lots of people worked from home during that pandemic. You can't cite the pandemic as an example and then ignore the pandemic as a factor.

Lots of undesirable things happened during the pandemic, it was a huge challenge for every country.

And it is a blueprint for things we did right and we did wrong. Locking up the country didn't stop the spread of the disease and yet led to inflation and our children falling way back in school and it led to doom spirals in several large cities. Now that we know what we did wrong, we shouldn't repeat the same things, pandemic or no.

 

[gipper]

Something’s wrong…

 

[my2¢]

I desire competence and integrity from our government workers. The Biden, Harris, and Trump bunch sure has left me with much to be desired.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

And it is a blueprint for things we did right and we did wrong. Locking up the country didn't stop the spread of the disease and yet led to inflation and our children falling way back in school and it led to doom spirals in several large cities. Now that we know what we did wrong, we shouldn't repeat the same things, pandemic or no.

We're not discussing the pandemic, you keep bringing this up. It's like saying wearing T-shirts a bad idea because we wore them once during a storm and got soaked and caught a cold, its stupid so stop it.

The only reason anyone can make the sweeping claim that working from home is always a bad idea, is someone who's jealous that they can't work from home in their particular job. I really haven't seen a single robust argument about why its so bad.

Artists and composers work from home, creative jobs often benefit hugely from people working from home.

My job is designing, writing and testing software, being able to do that from home is a huge boost to the quality and productivity.

I'm at my desk at 7am every day, I never get interrupted as I used to in my "cube", I never get distracted by noise and conversations and so on outside my cube.

My commute is to walk thirty feet from my kitchen to my casita where I have an office. I'm unaffected by weather, unaffected by traffic accidents, unaffected by road closures.

This is a no-brainer and only people who have no-brain are complaining.